Have to disagree; though faster chips are always good, the vast majority will nevertheless make their choice based on the OS (as they always have done), not such esoteric (for many) metrics as processor or bus speed.
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Have to disagree; though faster chips are always good, the vast majority will nevertheless make their choice based on the OS (as they always have done), not such esoteric (for many) metrics as processor or bus speed.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
Fair enough. I can understand why computer buyers would make their (Mac/PC) choice based on the operating system they're more familiar with and the software library they have or plan to use. For non-technical people, those measures of processor performance are confusing. Therefore, processor and bus speed get ignored in favor of available software.
Ted13
macrumors 6502a
If Adobe wishes to go out of business, maybe they will. They get 50% (or more?) of their revenue from their Mac products. They can't afford not to support the Mac.
A couple of years ago AVID tried to stop updating their Mac based video editing products, and the result was a massive consumer backlash, large losses for Avid, and they are now totally committed to the Mac.
On topic: I can't wait for my PB G5! It should be one kick ass computer.
Ted
I speak from bitter experience. Having spent many days with my wife's family in the boonies, I get a depressing picture of the state of computing that not all AIers share.
When I said that the OS is the most important thing for many, I should have added that many don't even realize that there's a choice. There are millions out there running W95 on their PIIs at 800 x 600. If they've even heard of OS X, they are quite likely to beleive some ludicrous Mac myth. I've had people (in rural PA) tell me they'd never consider a Mac cos they need 'the internet, and macs don't come with that....'
Now, I'm not pessimistic like JW Pepper earlier in the thread, but I would stress that there is still a lot to be done if Apple is to fully penetrate much of the US.
When I said that the OS is the most important thing for many, I should have added that many don't even realize that there's a choice. There are millions out there running W95 on their PIIs at 800 x 600. If they've even heard of OS X, they are quite likely to beleive some ludicrous Mac myth. I've had people (in rural PA) tell me they'd never consider a Mac cos they need 'the internet, and macs don't come with that....'
Now, I'm not pessimistic like JW Pepper earlier in the thread, but I would stress that there is still a lot to be done if Apple is to fully penetrate much of the US.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
Got any suggestions for Apple as to how to penetrate more of the US market? I'm curious as to whether you have any ideas.
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
Re: Re: The Trouble is....
I read the original poster's comments as a deliberate attempt to sensationalize and drum up gossip. Ala a Troll. People need to determine their own needs requirements and if they are not being met seek out how they can.
I read the original poster's comments as a deliberate attempt to sensationalize and drum up gossip. Ala a Troll. People need to determine their own needs requirements and if they are not being met seek out how they can.
1. I didn't have Epsom printers in mind actually, I was thinking of my rather expensive scanner. There are no twain drivers for it under Panther, they did bring out Jaguar drivers about 8 weeks before Panther, and Panther broke them. Epsom have told me in an email that they have no plans to bring out any more Mac drivers for my scanner.
2. Sorry about the spelling mistakes, I use Firefox and there is no contextual spellchecker in that browser. I can't spell failed o"level english 3 times; I hope that make you all feel much better.
3. I love Macs I have installed them throughout my company and I am going to continue to buy them, but I cannot advocate them to the schools because the software just isn't there. Most schools aren't using word, excel, powerpoint certainly not in pre-prep and most prep schools. Most of the software seems to be aimed solely at the educational market and they are applications that have no other purpose. they are programmes that teach logic/algebra programming, spelling. As non educational users it is difficult to appreciate the extent of specialist software aimed at schools that simply does not exist on Macs. Superlogo is a very popular programme to teach the simple principals of programming for example. Browse this site http://avp.100megs28.com/ and you will see what I mean, of those apps that are listed as pc/mac I doubt that 1 in 10 will be written for OSX.
4. I am sure that Adobe recently dropped another application, premier was dropped a long time ago.
The point is there is a worrying trend despite the improvement in the OS and hardware.
2. Sorry about the spelling mistakes, I use Firefox and there is no contextual spellchecker in that browser. I can't spell failed o"level english 3 times; I hope that make you all feel much better.
3. I love Macs I have installed them throughout my company and I am going to continue to buy them, but I cannot advocate them to the schools because the software just isn't there. Most schools aren't using word, excel, powerpoint certainly not in pre-prep and most prep schools. Most of the software seems to be aimed solely at the educational market and they are applications that have no other purpose. they are programmes that teach logic/algebra programming, spelling. As non educational users it is difficult to appreciate the extent of specialist software aimed at schools that simply does not exist on Macs. Superlogo is a very popular programme to teach the simple principals of programming for example. Browse this site http://avp.100megs28.com/ and you will see what I mean, of those apps that are listed as pc/mac I doubt that 1 in 10 will be written for OSX.
4. I am sure that Adobe recently dropped another application, premier was dropped a long time ago.
The point is there is a worrying trend despite the improvement in the OS and hardware.
sinisterdesign
macrumors 6502
bring it, IBM
my how 20 years makes a difference! one of the best commercials of all time was made as a direct challenge to Big Blue. now they're kicking some serious SSOI butt for Apple. bring on those new 90nm G5 updates, i'm itching to upgrade!
as for companies' support for Apple, i was bummed to hear that Palm dropped us. i'm HOPING iSync will pick up the slack. i like my little Clie (love Sony products, sure wish THEY would support Mac, rat b@$tards).
as someone said earlier, i think it would be suicide for Adobe to cut off Photoshop & Illustrator support. i think they only dropped Premiere b/c they were in direct competition w/ Apple and Final Cut (just like a lot of other little software companies that have been undercut by better Apple software: Audion-->iTunes, Font Reserve/Suitcase-->Font Book, Photoshop Album-->iPhoto, etc). i haven't heard any lack of support from Macromedia, which makes me happy. i'm glad Quark finally updated to X, but i use it reluctantly (still a kludgy program in my opinion). Microsoft has always towed a fine line, i like having Office on my Mac and i LOVE Entourage, but i hate losing Explorer support simply b/c i do web design & i need to test code in IE.
my how 20 years makes a difference! one of the best commercials of all time was made as a direct challenge to Big Blue. now they're kicking some serious SSOI butt for Apple. bring on those new 90nm G5 updates, i'm itching to upgrade!
as for companies' support for Apple, i was bummed to hear that Palm dropped us. i'm HOPING iSync will pick up the slack. i like my little Clie (love Sony products, sure wish THEY would support Mac, rat b@$tards).
as someone said earlier, i think it would be suicide for Adobe to cut off Photoshop & Illustrator support. i think they only dropped Premiere b/c they were in direct competition w/ Apple and Final Cut (just like a lot of other little software companies that have been undercut by better Apple software: Audion-->iTunes, Font Reserve/Suitcase-->Font Book, Photoshop Album-->iPhoto, etc). i haven't heard any lack of support from Macromedia, which makes me happy. i'm glad Quark finally updated to X, but i use it reluctantly (still a kludgy program in my opinion). Microsoft has always towed a fine line, i like having Office on my Mac and i LOVE Entourage, but i hate losing Explorer support simply b/c i do web design & i need to test code in IE.
invaLPsion
macrumors 65816
I hate to say it, but with this chip running so cool we could see 3GHz in new powermacs this month. That would be exactly what NeatGekko said would happen. Everything is happening exactly as NeatGekko has forseen!😀
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
Re: Re: Re: The Trouble is....
I am pretty sure EpsoM has always supported the Mac. Epsom salt works no matter what computer you use.
🙂
I haven't seen any printers from them though. EpsoN on the other hand is an issue.
I am pretty sure EpsoM has always supported the Mac. Epsom salt works no matter what computer you use.
🙂
I haven't seen any printers from them though. EpsoN on the other hand is an issue.
Re: Re: The Trouble is....
I work in the educational/healthcare field and I wish I could say that is true. While the push is there for web/java apps, they are almost all geared specifically and only for IE on the PC.
This is a trend that has been goign on for years, while the doctors and teachers like their Macs and in some cases the software they need to run only ran on Macs, the IT deptartments refused to support Macs. Thus any new apps that were brought in were geared only for Win/IE and thus forced everybody to use such.
The ray of hope is OS X. Previsouly where IT guys hated Macs (usually because they didn't want to bother to have to learn anything about them), now that it's unix and so close to linux, many of the IT guys are sitting aornd with linux servers and their powerbook running OS X. I suspect in the future that this will trickle down into the real world as solutions put forth by IT departments are more geared towards either linux/OS X or all platforms. However there is still a large setiment that "buying MS won't get you fired" in the IT field that is being fought against by the *nix faction.
I work in the educational/healthcare field and I wish I could say that is true. While the push is there for web/java apps, they are almost all geared specifically and only for IE on the PC.
This is a trend that has been goign on for years, while the doctors and teachers like their Macs and in some cases the software they need to run only ran on Macs, the IT deptartments refused to support Macs. Thus any new apps that were brought in were geared only for Win/IE and thus forced everybody to use such.
The ray of hope is OS X. Previsouly where IT guys hated Macs (usually because they didn't want to bother to have to learn anything about them), now that it's unix and so close to linux, many of the IT guys are sitting aornd with linux servers and their powerbook running OS X. I suspect in the future that this will trickle down into the real world as solutions put forth by IT departments are more geared towards either linux/OS X or all platforms. However there is still a large setiment that "buying MS won't get you fired" in the IT field that is being fought against by the *nix faction.
Heh, I guess if I had some effective way to achieve this, I would be working for Apple!
That said, I think that the strategy should be based around successful consumer electronics devices like the iPod and the other, so far non existent, devices that SJ hinted at at the last couple of Expos. These would seem to me to provide a useable 'back door' entry for Apple into the average Win user's mind. Innovative software helps too, like the iTunes store.
But......despite its iconic status, the iPod is, to an extent, old news. Apple needs to keep coming up with such devices. I am a little surprised that no follow up has yet appeared.
I guess that the idea of Apple shifting away from its core competency might be repugnant to some, but hey, whatever it takes......
You have any ideas for addressing the problem?
(which I look forward to reading after classes are over)
Re: Re: Re: The Trouble is....
That is because the programmer is using functions that are not really part of Java. While they will work, they are using platform specific calls, which is what Java is supposed to be against. There are a lot of bad programmers out there and that is the work they do. Some write to a specific version of Java as well. In their eyes, if it works then their job is done. If they programmed the way it's supposed to be, then it would work with almost all platforms and probably release independent; obviously if a new feature/call was added, then the user would need the latest to use it.
That is because the programmer is using functions that are not really part of Java. While they will work, they are using platform specific calls, which is what Java is supposed to be against. There are a lot of bad programmers out there and that is the work they do. Some write to a specific version of Java as well. In their eyes, if it works then their job is done. If they programmed the way it's supposed to be, then it would work with almost all platforms and probably release independent; obviously if a new feature/call was added, then the user would need the latest to use it.
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
Re: Re: Re: The Trouble is....
Wow! My question for the IT department would be:
***WHO DO YOU THINK YOU WORK FOR???***
Without the others there would be NO need for the IT staff.
Wow! My question for the IT department would be:
***WHO DO YOU THINK YOU WORK FOR???***
Without the others there would be NO need for the IT staff.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
Revised news from 2H2005 to 1H2004!
1. Apple is sooooo over Motorola
2. This is the holy grail for fan less (cube) and portables (PBG5), and dense servers.
3. IBM hinted at 2005 and delivered 1H2004 🙂
4. I love IBM 😀
5. The people who selected negative should be shot.
6. The Mhz emphasis is over just in time for Apple to WIN!
The NEW PBG5 speculation should be single or dual processor!
Rocketman
1. Apple is sooooo over Motorola
2. This is the holy grail for fan less (cube) and portables (PBG5), and dense servers.
3. IBM hinted at 2005 and delivered 1H2004 🙂
4. I love IBM 😀
5. The people who selected negative should be shot.
6. The Mhz emphasis is over just in time for Apple to WIN!
The NEW PBG5 speculation should be single or dual processor!
Rocketman
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
Re: Re: Regarding software
OT, too. I have to agree. Xplane is nice. Not perfect, but nice for flight sim. I like the shuttle sim landing on there too.
What I want though is Hornet like we used to have for OS 9 etc.
OT, too. I have to agree. Xplane is nice. Not perfect, but nice for flight sim. I like the shuttle sim landing on there too.
What I want though is Hornet like we used to have for OS 9 etc.
I understand you very well. It is always hard when someone wakes you up from your wonderful dreams. There are many people who don't like nor do accept critical comments. The best thing would be to eliminate them so that you can continue to live in your colorful world.
wrldwzrd89
macrumors G5
My first thought is for Apple to revise their advertising campaign. They need to promote the usefulness of Macs more than what processor they use. This in turn will attract buyers who didn't know about Macs, didn't previously consider Macs, and don't care about technical specifications.
edit:
Architectural changes to a processor, like the PowerPC 970, can sometimes have unintended side effects like reduced scalability. I don't understand exactly why this is the case; I suspect electrical engineers would know the answer.
But there are no architectural changes mentioned anywhere.Certainly no longer pipelines.Everything so far says its just a die shrink.We should know more soon.Dont let this stuff get out of hand or before long the web potatoes will be saying the 970fx is slower than the current model and a new Web legend is born.
I have a pc store in Belgium and I'm personally a Mac user. So, naturally I wanted to sell Mac's too. BUT when I buy Apple I don't make any profit, because I'm no official dealer (really 0% profit). So I asked Apple to become official dealer. Not possible! Because there are already too much dealers in Belgium. (70, and they even want to bring it down to 50!) 99% of the dealers are Mac only dealers. Because I sell also PC, and have a large marketing budget, I bring out a folder every month. And I reach an enormous PC public. But I can't sell Apple, because I don't make profit (dealerprice of me is the same as the end-user price of the Apple store) So don't complain about the market share Apple, you do it yourself.
That is the point isn't it. Prescott doubled their L1, L2 and has L3 as well, and 13 new SSE3 instructions as well as a 31 stage pipeline (from 20). And get this, it performs slower and hotter than the 130NM Northwood in most operations and just slightly faster than with the new SSE3 media apps. 103W at 3.2GHz.
The 970FX uses half the realestate, adds PowerTune refinements and runs from 20-30% faster at the same clock and uses less than 50% the power and 100% better thermal characteristics. Although the 2.5GHz 970FX is clocked 25% higher, it will operate close to 50% faster than the 2GHz 130NM 970!
So not only is the G5 running at much higher clocks, it is leaping forward in performance while keeping power and heat to a minimum.