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Lighten up dude. I hardly see his post as bashing Apple. Take off your rose colored glasses, Macs are great but one can criticize Apple even if they love them.
Based on their current line, Apple deserves criticism. I think Macs are better than Windows based PCs but that doesn't mean I can't see faults in Apple, their product line and marketing.
Stolid
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windowsblowass:
First off the post you quoted seemed awfully pro-apple...
But there is a difference between liking something and being a blind follower.
I have really enjoyed watching Mac's develop for the past 2 years or so but have yet to see a machine that both suits my needs and is fast enough to justify over my other PCs (a PowerMac G5 is fast enough; but I really need a mobile system due to my work habits. I'd love to see a desktop replacement; See my post over in the buying advice forum.)
I never said "Dells are better" - I said their desktop replacement laptops are faster than Apple's PowerBooks. It's demonstratable. This isn't Apple bashing; it's me begging Apple to release new PowerBooks (preferably including a 'desktop replacement' type in my case) ASAP.
I don't see why I can't like Apples and Windows at the same time. I see far too many zealots in the Mac and Linux world that are in fumes that I like windows. I've never had a Windows user bash me for liking Macs and Linux; so if you want to scare people like me off of getting an Apple then just say so. I have no reason to help prop up Mac's market share or write Mac software.
And to paraphrase a famous saying:
"Many people are not Mac users because they have never met a Mac user. Many other people are not Mac users because they have."
First off the post you quoted seemed awfully pro-apple...
But there is a difference between liking something and being a blind follower.
I have really enjoyed watching Mac's develop for the past 2 years or so but have yet to see a machine that both suits my needs and is fast enough to justify over my other PCs (a PowerMac G5 is fast enough; but I really need a mobile system due to my work habits. I'd love to see a desktop replacement; See my post over in the buying advice forum.)
I never said "Dells are better" - I said their desktop replacement laptops are faster than Apple's PowerBooks. It's demonstratable. This isn't Apple bashing; it's me begging Apple to release new PowerBooks (preferably including a 'desktop replacement' type in my case) ASAP.
I don't see why I can't like Apples and Windows at the same time. I see far too many zealots in the Mac and Linux world that are in fumes that I like windows. I've never had a Windows user bash me for liking Macs and Linux; so if you want to scare people like me off of getting an Apple then just say so. I have no reason to help prop up Mac's market share or write Mac software.
And to paraphrase a famous saying:
"Many people are not Mac users because they have never met a Mac user. Many other people are not Mac users because they have."
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
It is true we do have those that are blind Apple followers no matter how bad apple screws up, recent examples-ibook bad motherboards-ipod batteries-G4 stagnation(first one at 500 over a year at now the second over another year at less then 1.4) these are 3 large denials by Apple.
IBM is making good on everything and its been way overdue for apple. Lets hope they can get those 970's into new products as soon as possible.
IBM is making good on everything and its been way overdue for apple. Lets hope they can get those 970's into new products as soon as possible.
To the people complaining about Mac zealotry... I've been a Mac user a long time, since the Mac Plus days and I've had to put up with A LOT of bashing. I'm constantly forced into a position where I have to become some kind of crazed zealot just to try and get my opinion heard. Because I've been such a long time Apple user, I can safely say I trust that Apple is not out to screw anyone over. People today have become so jaded (thanks to Wintel), that they won't give anyone a chance to prove themselves and always think the worst of everything.
Apple has always been attacked by IBM/MS/INTEL cronies. It doesn't matter what they do, they're doomed to fail. And it doesn't matter what your reasoning is, you're an idiot for using a Mac, a toy, a fruit box, etc...
I use a Mac simply because it works for me. I intuitively understand how they work and how to use them. DOS, CPM, Windows, Linux, BSD, System V, BeOS, NextStep, OS2, Mac OS ... whichever you choose to use is your prerogative, be happy with your choice and leave others alone.
That would be a nice world to live in, but it ain't the case... so I will, until that time, continue to defend Apple and my choice to use their computers. After 17 years, I think I know what kind of company Apple is. Regardless of what most people like to think, this isn't blind faith, but is based on experience, so ZIP IT!
And believe me when I say that Apple is not completely infallible. Everyone is prone to making mistakes. But it doesn't mean they were intentional and it doesn't make them evil (unlike Microsoft, which is hell-bent on world dominance LOL).
Now to the topic at hand...
IBM is positioning itself against Intel and has built itself a solid foundation to get started. The facility they built to fabricate these chips is extremely versatile and flexible. Enabling them to scale and advance technologies and manufacturing processes.
And of course the biggest news is that Microsoft is planning on using the PowerPC in the next version of its XBox. Why is this big? Because it breaks a long time partnership between Microsoft and Intel. This sends a huge message to the computer world; Intel isn't producing.
Why is this good for Apple? Two things will happen in the near future that will allow for Apple to finally release an Intel version of OS X and rake in a boat load of money without affecting their own hardware sales;
#1... IBM CPUs will outpace Intel by a huge margin. There will be no doubt who has the faster system. Apple makes more money off high end systems anyway ... sell OS X for cheap Intel boxes.
#2... People will grow weary of waiting for Longhorn's release and even then have to wait a couple more years for a stable and secure version. And the system requirements will send most people "running for the hills" ... i.e. Looking for an alternate OS.
Apple has always been attacked by IBM/MS/INTEL cronies. It doesn't matter what they do, they're doomed to fail. And it doesn't matter what your reasoning is, you're an idiot for using a Mac, a toy, a fruit box, etc...
I use a Mac simply because it works for me. I intuitively understand how they work and how to use them. DOS, CPM, Windows, Linux, BSD, System V, BeOS, NextStep, OS2, Mac OS ... whichever you choose to use is your prerogative, be happy with your choice and leave others alone.
That would be a nice world to live in, but it ain't the case... so I will, until that time, continue to defend Apple and my choice to use their computers. After 17 years, I think I know what kind of company Apple is. Regardless of what most people like to think, this isn't blind faith, but is based on experience, so ZIP IT!
And believe me when I say that Apple is not completely infallible. Everyone is prone to making mistakes. But it doesn't mean they were intentional and it doesn't make them evil (unlike Microsoft, which is hell-bent on world dominance LOL).
Now to the topic at hand...
IBM is positioning itself against Intel and has built itself a solid foundation to get started. The facility they built to fabricate these chips is extremely versatile and flexible. Enabling them to scale and advance technologies and manufacturing processes.
And of course the biggest news is that Microsoft is planning on using the PowerPC in the next version of its XBox. Why is this big? Because it breaks a long time partnership between Microsoft and Intel. This sends a huge message to the computer world; Intel isn't producing.
Why is this good for Apple? Two things will happen in the near future that will allow for Apple to finally release an Intel version of OS X and rake in a boat load of money without affecting their own hardware sales;
#1... IBM CPUs will outpace Intel by a huge margin. There will be no doubt who has the faster system. Apple makes more money off high end systems anyway ... sell OS X for cheap Intel boxes.
#2... People will grow weary of waiting for Longhorn's release and even then have to wait a couple more years for a stable and secure version. And the system requirements will send most people "running for the hills" ... i.e. Looking for an alternate OS.
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
mjtomlin you are wrong. Apples software is what is moving the hardware. If apple was to release a OSX for wintel that would be worse then allowing clones and you saw what they did about that. releasing osx for wintel would kill the hardware sales. why even bother with mac hardware if you can buy a cheap PC and then run OSX.
the 970fx is the ticket but iam wondering just how long it will take for IBM to be producing enough of these chips to go into powermacs,pro books,imacs,xserves. it could be another year. Apple isnt the fastest with product upgrades if you know what i mean. Still would like to know from a good source how many 970s can be made in a qtr?
the 970fx is the ticket but iam wondering just how long it will take for IBM to be producing enough of these chips to go into powermacs,pro books,imacs,xserves. it could be another year. Apple isnt the fastest with product upgrades if you know what i mean. Still would like to know from a good source how many 970s can be made in a qtr?
Maybe we have to rethink this OS X on x86
I have agreed with this position until the G5 came along AND Linux started to gain ground. Not now and here's why.
Linux is gaining ground and will be cheaper than the MS product. 400 million PCs are out there. China is encouraging Linux. Add this all up and there might be, very soon, 1 billion PCs (most crappy, some not) that will switch to some sort of UNIX! At say 40 to 100 bucks per OS, if that were Apple revenue it would be stunning. Okay, that makes Apple a software company. It is anyway! Now, remember that OS X on x86 will be okay but on a PPC with all the advances IBM is making, it will be a blow-out. That means that Apple would have at least the minimum hardware sales it now has, but the chances are it will sell more and more replacements for aging PCs in many situations (not in China, at least at current pricing!) perhaps, this is now the time for Apple to make that "heretical' move and not let Linux rule, as it will sometime in the not too distant future, if the momentum keeps gaining.
I think that Apple now has a 'window' of opportunity to really switch people as this sea change is happening. Time to buck the experts on this and go all out to catch this huge new wave! A tsunami is brewing.
I have agreed with this position until the G5 came along AND Linux started to gain ground. Not now and here's why.
Linux is gaining ground and will be cheaper than the MS product. 400 million PCs are out there. China is encouraging Linux. Add this all up and there might be, very soon, 1 billion PCs (most crappy, some not) that will switch to some sort of UNIX! At say 40 to 100 bucks per OS, if that were Apple revenue it would be stunning. Okay, that makes Apple a software company. It is anyway! Now, remember that OS X on x86 will be okay but on a PPC with all the advances IBM is making, it will be a blow-out. That means that Apple would have at least the minimum hardware sales it now has, but the chances are it will sell more and more replacements for aging PCs in many situations (not in China, at least at current pricing!) perhaps, this is now the time for Apple to make that "heretical' move and not let Linux rule, as it will sometime in the not too distant future, if the momentum keeps gaining.
I think that Apple now has a 'window' of opportunity to really switch people as this sea change is happening. Time to buck the experts on this and go all out to catch this huge new wave! A tsunami is brewing.
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
mdriftmeyer
macrumors 68040
Re: Maybe we have to rethink this OS X on x86
Apple's opportunity lies with the complete solution and capitalizing on corporations looking to transition and gain a high return on their investment, both from a security standpoint to a vertical solutions standpoint.
Companies switching, in droves, from Wintel to Linux are firstly installing new drives and utilizing pre-existing hardware, plus adding new server infrastructure, when necessary. Mostly, until IBM, HP, Novell and Sun start switching more to AMD you won't see a bunch of Enterprises re-evaluating new hardware.
Once that is done, both OS X and Linux will be the forerunners, while AIX and Solaris provide a more Big Iron solution.
Apple's opportunity lies with the complete solution and capitalizing on corporations looking to transition and gain a high return on their investment, both from a security standpoint to a vertical solutions standpoint.
Companies switching, in droves, from Wintel to Linux are firstly installing new drives and utilizing pre-existing hardware, plus adding new server infrastructure, when necessary. Mostly, until IBM, HP, Novell and Sun start switching more to AMD you won't see a bunch of Enterprises re-evaluating new hardware.
Once that is done, both OS X and Linux will be the forerunners, while AIX and Solaris provide a more Big Iron solution.
Ja Di ksw
macrumors 65816
Not entirely true. While I love mac to death, I finally convinced my friend to switch from Windows to Mac for her semester long Austria trip, since, as I told her, "they are more reliable, they don't crash, break down as easily, etc." Her battery lasted about an hour, and when she left it (plugged into the wall) on screensaver for a few hours and then came back, it was broken. The screen is just a bunch of different colored strips, makes no noise when she turns it on, won't shut down unless unplugged from the wall, won't turn on unless plugged in, etc. So now her "reliable" computer, with all her contacts, internet, and everything she needs, is just a large paperweight, and she's stuck in Austria completely screwed over. There's one mac convert down the drain. At the exact same time, my own computer back here in the states loses all my preferences every time I turn it off.
Macs are good, and more reliable, but they do break down sometimes for no reason.
oi...
Good evening.
You may have have noticed tiny dots on your keyboard right below the K and L keys.... oh look, there's one now!
-> .
It's called punctuation, and it's commonly used to break up sentences so that they are coherent.
This one is called a comma:
-> ,
Please learn to use these. They will make our world a better, less incomprehensible place.
Thank you.
Good evening.
You may have have noticed tiny dots on your keyboard right below the K and L keys.... oh look, there's one now!
-> .
It's called punctuation, and it's commonly used to break up sentences so that they are coherent.
This one is called a comma:
-> ,
Please learn to use these. They will make our world a better, less incomprehensible place.
Thank you.
sosumi99
macrumors 6502
LOL. Wow, did you even read what you were responding to? The poster was not "bashing" Apple at all. If anything, he was saying things that are much too positive about Apple. If this is considered "Apple bashing" then you must be from the upside-down universe where black is white and Apple is Microsoft. 🙂
LOL
Oh, how true it is. I have been responsible for converts as well as making people hate me, thus never buying a Mac. I win more than I lose though.😉
Oh, how true it is. I have been responsible for converts as well as making people hate me, thus never buying a Mac. I win more than I lose though.😉
Not so (if I have read your answer right), I would hope (unless Apple have decided to make their powerbooks stick to one country - hardly good sense for selling heavy-weight business laptops)
Quote from specs for powerbook:
- Line voltage: 100V to 240V AC
- Frequency: 50 to 60Hz
I'm wondering - what are IBM's goals? Would they like to compete with (or replace) Intel? They sell Power chips running AIX & Linux, and Apple sells Macs, but can that lead to a quantity of sales to rival Intel?
Exactly. People buy Mac for a quality package. So (on a different tangent to yours) if IBM wants to sell a commodity processor they would have to cover more bases.
The only thing I can think of is IBM encouraging clones.
But what OS? They could ask Apple to sell Mac OS X, but Apple might not want to - and the clone makers would remember Apple's earlier about-face. Or they could sell Linux of course.
Really though, I think Microsoft is their answer. If PPC970 is really as good as it sounds I'm sure Microsoft would be interested. A PPC970 machine running Windows XP, running any Intel binaries in emulation and even faster for native code (they'd be glad they bought Virtual PC!).
None of that would really help Apple. Unless MacOS X was released as a second OS option for clones.
I can really see Microsoft taking that option, and IBM working with them. What I can't see is how Apple might react.
I don't see that happening as it does not benefit anyone but IBM. The PowerPC 970 has not shown to be significantly faster (and in some cases is slower) than the AMD Opteron or Athlon 64. Unless there are tons of customers out there demanding PowerPC 970 support, the processor probably isn't even on the Windows development teams' roadmap.
I find it hard to believe anyone wanting to run Windows is demanding the PowerPC 970 since they already have an AMD 64-bit processor that runs their existing 32-bit applications just fine and Intel will demo an x86-64 solution later this month. Windows XP on a PowerPC 970 does not benefit anyone but IBM now that Microsoft can play AMD and Intel off each other.
Liquid cooling?
What I find strange is why aren't the using the much mooted liquid chip cooling like
http://www.cooligy.com/
Anything to get rid of noisy fans from laptops. Or perhaps these new chips won't need either?
What I find strange is why aren't the using the much mooted liquid chip cooling like
http://www.cooligy.com/
Anything to get rid of noisy fans from laptops. Or perhaps these new chips won't need either?
Re: Re: The Trouble is....
And to add some more to this. I have just converted two of my colleagues at work - both bought G5 Macs, and not regretting. This became available only because of G5 and os X. I cannot see them going back to the Mr Gates Empire. And I would also agree that spelling appears to be a big problem on this forum especially that we are all here educated, artistic etc.
And to add some more to this. I have just converted two of my colleagues at work - both bought G5 Macs, and not regretting. This became available only because of G5 and os X. I cannot see them going back to the Mr Gates Empire. And I would also agree that spelling appears to be a big problem on this forum especially that we are all here educated, artistic etc.
centauratlas
macrumors 68020
Not all international problems are caused by voltage
I picked up one of the new G4 iBooks 3 days before heading off for an extended trip to Germany, because I couldn't get a 15" PB during the big screen fiasco. On setting down in Frankfurt, I've been experiencing about 1-2 kernel panics a day. After tracking down a set of jewelers' screwdrivers and pulling my 512 MB RAM upgrade, the panics stopped.
So now my choice are running on 128 MB with no crashes, or limping by with the random daily crashes until I can get the RAM replaced on warranty on return to California. And I'm better equiped than almost any traveller, travelling with 2 laptops and external HDs for my software development.
But having hardware failures on the road, esp. in another country, is a major problem for everyone, and can be a nightmare for casual users.
If only the world was that easy. There haven't been many single voltage computers or portable periphials for many years other than printers.
I picked up one of the new G4 iBooks 3 days before heading off for an extended trip to Germany, because I couldn't get a 15" PB during the big screen fiasco. On setting down in Frankfurt, I've been experiencing about 1-2 kernel panics a day. After tracking down a set of jewelers' screwdrivers and pulling my 512 MB RAM upgrade, the panics stopped.
So now my choice are running on 128 MB with no crashes, or limping by with the random daily crashes until I can get the RAM replaced on warranty on return to California. And I'm better equiped than almost any traveller, travelling with 2 laptops and external HDs for my software development.
But having hardware failures on the road, esp. in another country, is a major problem for everyone, and can be a nightmare for casual users.
Ja Di ksw
macrumors 65816
She has no idea where over there she can take it to be repaired. She has applecare, but had no idea what the phone number is, and couldn't get on the computer to check it. I found it out for her and told her over the phone, but she hasn't been able to get ahold of them yet. I don't know about a UK warranty, she bought it while she was in the US, then went to Austria, so I'm assuming its a US warranty, though it would be covered no matter where she traveled