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Lynxpro said:
Really. And where do you find your proof? IBM, Nintendo, and Microsoft have all failed to state what type of PowerPC chip is going into the two machines. There's no real indication that I've read stating that the Xbox360 is getting a 64 bit chip. Just a 3.2Ghz multi-core PPC chip. That could be a souped-up G4 for all we know.

And 3.2 is faster than 2.9, which is destined for the PowerMac. Hence yet another reason why Jobs is furious with IBM for giving a better spec'ed chip to Microsoft over Apple.

IMO you are right about Job's being PO'd....BUT... If I was in IBM's position I would cater to Microsoft and not worry about Apple too.
Lets face it Microsoft ordered 10 million CPU's from IBM to be delivered by OCT. Apple doesn't use that many CPU's in 3 or 4 years.
Microsoft will end up buying 20 to 30 million CPU's over the next 3 or 4 years, They are a much more important customer to IBM than Apple ever was. The same can be said about Sony too.
 
BenRoethig said:
Why do people keep repeating this? The cpu in the Xbox 360 is not a 970. It is far less complex PowerPC design built specifically for video game purposes. The only connection the Xbox 360 has to the PPC 970 was that MS bought PowerMac G5s as early development machines. They help developers work with off the shelf hardware running the PowerPC ISA. A single PowerPC 970MP processor would cost as much or more as an Xbox 360 console.

100% correct.
 
~loserman~ said:
IMO you are right about Job's being PO'd....BUT... If I was in IBM's position I would cater to Microsoft and not worry about Apple too.
Lets face it Microsoft ordered 10 million CPU's from IBM to be delivered by OCT. Apple doesn't use that many CPU's in 3 or 4 years.
Microsoft will end up buying 20 to 30 million CPU's over the next 3 or 4 years, They are a much more important customer to IBM than Apple ever was. The same can be said about Sony too.

Just remmeber that those processors that you agreed were less complex are much cheaper and have lower margins per processor. Trust me IBM doesnt like this at all. Just look how big of a deal intel is making of it....Its a marketing gold mine to have apple in your corner.
 
Okay, here's my stupid idea: dual-core G5 iBooks, Intel PowerBooks?

(go easy on me, I don't usually post in this area.)
 
If not already mentioned, we just might finally see G5 PowerBooks. This is great news.
 
bosrs1 said:
I must say, I find the lack of speed improvement on these new PPC chips to be pathetic. Max is 2.5 Ghz? That's it? I don't care if it's Dual Core, that's still pathetically slow even for a PPC.

Apple made the right choice about moving to Intel. IBM obviously has hit the end of their usefulness.

you're still falling for the megahertz myth. can you name intel's fastest processor? yup, it's their 1.6ghz itanium2. it beats the the living shit out of anything else intel has to offer.
 
From Thinksecret:

Unconfirmed reports from sources suggest that after many failed attempts at designing a G5-based PowerBook, Apple has shifted the bulk of the work of its PowerBook team to designing a laptop based around Intel's Pentium M. While that does not rule out a PowerBook G5 ever seeing the light of day, continued pessimistic remarks about such a system—most recently at WWDC less than one month ago, from Apple CEO Steve Jobs—raises the possibility that patience for a G5 PowerBook may prove futile.
 
dongmin said:
From Thinksecret:

Unconfirmed reports from sources suggest that after many failed attempts at designing a G5-based PowerBook, Apple has shifted the bulk of the work of its PowerBook team to designing a laptop based around Intel's Pentium M. While that does not rule out a PowerBook G5 ever seeing the light of day, continued pessimistic remarks about such a system—most recently at WWDC less than one month ago, from Apple CEO Steve Jobs—raises the possibility that patience for a G5 PowerBook may prove futile.

Very interesting, thanks for the quote! I've always thought it would make sense and be more realistic for Apple to use an Intel chip in the next PowerBook as opposed to a G5. It will be interesting to see how things play out.
 
Militar said:
If not already mentioned, we just might finally see G5 PowerBooks. This is great news.
I seriously doubt Apple will make a PowerBook G5. That just would not benefit Apple at this point. IMO. :(

I am guessing the time, energy, and most importantly, money will be put into developing the PowerBooks Intel. :cool:

Edit:
I guess I ought to have read two posts further. :eek:
 
Spazmodius said:
If Jobs' speed/watt rationalization isn't based on some truly spectacular and credible "forward-thinking" Intel claims, in light of these specs, it's very difficult to see why anyone should accept the content of his Keynote address as anything but an egregious effort at maximum spin.
What's so hot about these specs? These are specs good enough for a year ago. The chips are announced. Available? AMD and Intel announced specs that beat these over a year ago.

The fact is, these new IBM chips do nothing for the Mac future. They just show that IBM is not willing, without a great amount of extra money from Apple, to produce anything that would make Apple stay on the PPC. I can get a Opteron chip that outclasses the fastest Dual Core G5 announcedespecially with its far more advanced memory access and I could get it shipping in a machine now.

All the people who think this announcement means that Jobs was smoking crack are just wrong. This is the last hurrah, and a poor one, for the desktop Power PC. The PPC architecture is far more advanced than Intel's - but potential doesn't make my Mac any faster.
 
question

I have a question for all you serious geeks out there in macrumors land.. why is it that everything has to be redesigned for any new processor? I'm really starting to get frustrated with the rate I'm having to rebuy my technology. what are the reasons for not being able to stick a processor on something like a ram chip and just freaking upgrade? Laptops are serious investments and I'm sick of having the price of a 4000 dollar piece of hardware cut in half over 6 months. I'd gladly give up .3 GHz across the board to have a machine that stayed up to date for more than three years.

just a thought. I dont know what I'm talking about but the problem is very real for the demand side of supply and demand.

-matt

EDIT: PS this is in response to the "I NEED A NEW LAPTOP people"
 
I agree with ya matt... I'm wanting to purchase a $4000 laptop (have never spent that much on a computer before) - and I know it's gonna lose value very quickly considering there is so much talk about new architecture in up and coming hardware.

Spose its like that with any purchase though - theres always gonna be something better that will replace it :(
 
sacear said:
I think those dual-core G5 iBooks will need to come with a set of asbestos gloves included with each one.

How long before the plastic case melts away? ;)

Ahhh well, I can dream, can't I? :rolleyes: :D

I switched to Apple with an iBook (500Mhz) and am now on an iBook (cursed 800Mhz G3.) I've always had a soft-spot for them, despite the fact that they are mere 'consumer' machines.

OT: How are the G4 iBooks? I've never used one, and I was wondering how they are heat-wise? If anyone's got experience, PM me if it's not too much trouble. I don't want to clutter this thread with OT posts. Thanks!
 
Wonder Boy said:
wizard said:
No if yoiu believe that Apple just found out about these I know of a bridge that is for sale ;)/QUOTE]

I don't understand the "bridge for sale" joke. i've heard it 100 times but can't figure it out. could someone explain? thanks.
Some americans bought and relocated London Bridge, thinking that they were buying the famous landmark, Tower Bridge, hence the phrase.
 
This is great news............. :D :D :D

Just hope they price the new PM's well..........if they come :eek:
But c'mon apple get them out on the market ;)
 
steve, before you switch to Pentium M,
Please, please,
give me a POWER BOOK G5!!!~!!!!~!!~!~!~!~
or a iMac G5 / mini dual core~~~~~!!!~~~
 
YES!!! :D Finaly!

I hope Apple delays this stupid Intel-switch as long as possible! Come on, Apple, make PowerBook G5 :D:D:D (I hope they'll keep the design or maybe improve it)

Power Mac DDC (Dual Dual Core ;)) will be very nice too :D
 
akac said:
What's so hot about these specs? These are specs good enough for a year ago. The chips are announced. Available? AMD and Intel announced specs that beat these over a year ago.

The fact is, these new IBM chips do nothing for the Mac future. They just show that IBM is not willing, without a great amount of extra money from Apple, to produce anything that would make Apple stay on the PPC. I can get a Opteron chip that outclasses the fastest Dual Core G5 announcedespecially with its far more advanced memory access and I could get it shipping in a machine now.

All the people who think this announcement means that Jobs was smoking crack are just wrong. This is the last hurrah, and a poor one, for the desktop Power PC. The PPC architecture is far more advanced than Intel's - but potential doesn't make my Mac any faster.

The point is, Jobs made the claim that on a 'performance per watt' scale the PowerPC was giving 15 units, and Intel 70.

Now that IBM have come out with low power PPC chips that use less power than Intel, even presuming the Pentium M is an equal to the G5 (it isn't) at the same clock speed, the 15/70 quote looks a bit odd.

As for opteron v G5, I partly agree. There's swings and roundabouts on either if you want to claim top performance dog. There's nothing on the Intel side bar Xeons that come close and the Dual core Pentium is a joke. Dual core Opterons though are extremely expensive and although you may be able to buy a system with them in, you're not going to get one for less than a PowerMac without some compromise. $4000 is more likely. Will they be faster than the Dual-core G5? - time will tell, the Opterons clock in at only 2.2Ghz.

So, IMHO, the G5 is still holding it's head up above water in every way except for laptop speed - 1.6Ghz isn't enough for a low power chip. And laptop speed is much more important to Apple than server class speed

But this isn't about what is shipping now, it's about what is shipping in 18 months-2 years time. And then AMD are predicted to run out of steam having canned the their successor architecture twice and Intel seem to have finally found their groove again with Pentium M.
 
aegisdesign said:
The point is, Jobs made the claim that on a 'performance per watt' scale the PowerPC was giving 15 units, and Intel 70.

Now that IBM have come out with low power PPC chips that use less power than Intel, even presuming the Pentium M is an equal to the G5 (it isn't) at the same clock speed, the 15/70 quote looks a bit odd.

As for opteron v G5, I partly agree. There's swings and roundabouts on either if you want to claim top performance dog. There's nothing on the Intel side bar Xeons that come close and the Dual core Pentium is a joke. Dual core Opterons though are extremely expensive and although you may be able to buy a system with them in, you're not going to get one for less than a PowerMac without some compromise. $4000 is more likely. Will they be faster than the Dual-core G5? - time will tell, the Opterons clock in at only 2.2Ghz.

So, IMHO, the G5 is still holding it's head up above water in every way except for laptop speed - 1.6Ghz isn't enough for a low power chip. And laptop speed is much more important to Apple than server class speed

But this isn't about what is shipping now, it's about what is shipping in 18 months-2 years time. And then AMD are predicted to run out of steam having canned the their successor architecture twice and Intel seem to have finally found their groove again with Pentium M.

1.6Ghz may not be the best.......but it is very good comming as Dual Core and for a laptop ;)
 
Prom1 said:
Hey any Mac is a media computer center. It all depends on how you set it up.

@Squire, there is a picture thread of the Mac Mini in the Community Forums with a seriously sweet Mini & widescreen TV setup. Have a look. ;)

I'm completely incompetent at searching the forums. (I have better luck doing a thread search through Google.) If you know exactly where it is (link?) or can remember the name of the thread, I'd appreciate it if you could pass it along.

hulugu said:
You need a black-bag budget, no need for the CFO to know about it. ;)

Got one of those but it always gets depleted somehow. :rolleyes:

neonart said:
Yeah, but hiding a 37" TV is not very easy. :D

The Mini you may be able to sneak in a shoebox or something...

Surprisingly, my wife is open to the new TV. We don't actually have a dedicated DVD player so I was thinking:

1) Nad T533 DVD/DVD-audio player (Worry about SACD when the PS3 comes out.)
2) New mac for me and the current iMac (17" 1 GHz) connected to the TV
3) a nice little Mac mini sitting unobtrusively next to the TV for DVDs and mp3s

Decisions, decisions.

Squire
 
~Shard~ said:
Very interesting, thanks for the quote! I've always thought it would make sense and be more realistic for Apple to use an Intel chip in the next PowerBook as opposed to a G5. It will be interesting to see how things play out.

I agree. They have to get an intel chip in something as soon as possible so people can see how flawlessly this Rosetta technology works. (If, in fact, it does what it's supposed to do.)

I figure that I'm Joe Average mac user-- I know enough about the system to follow sites like this, I can replace a HD in an iMac, but I'm definitely not considered a power user. They need something for folks like me. (Am I being selfish?)

Time for a brew.

Squire

<edit> Sorry about the double post. This thread has been moving along at such a clip that I just assumed there would be a little "buffer" between posts.
 
Platform said:
1.6Ghz may not be the best.......but it is very good comming as Dual Core and for a laptop ;)
You're confused....
Dual core is for the high power (desktop) chips.

The low power (laptop) chips are single core (and highest speed is 1.6Ghz)
 
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