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IBM Buyout?
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IBM G4s?
I don't remember that IBM ever made a G4.. I believe AltiVec is a Motorola patented thing..
As for IBM buying out Apple.. BLECK!~~ BAD idea.. First they'd have to redesign the computers to be square and ugly.. secondly, since IBM doesn't make G4s and isn't working on G5s necessarily, they would have to stick their 'flagship' Sahara 750CX G3s in everything.. 1GHz G3 and no AltiVec.. umm.. do you think PowerMac users would be happy with something like that in a case that's say uglier than an old Quadra? EWwwww.. What did you think IBM would buy PowerPC chips from Motorola just to get AltiVec equipped G4s? That's really likely...
I don't remember that IBM ever made a G4.. I believe AltiVec is a Motorola patented thing..
As for IBM buying out Apple.. BLECK!~~ BAD idea.. First they'd have to redesign the computers to be square and ugly.. secondly, since IBM doesn't make G4s and isn't working on G5s necessarily, they would have to stick their 'flagship' Sahara 750CX G3s in everything.. 1GHz G3 and no AltiVec.. umm.. do you think PowerMac users would be happy with something like that in a case that's say uglier than an old Quadra? EWwwww.. What did you think IBM would buy PowerPC chips from Motorola just to get AltiVec equipped G4s? That's really likely...
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This actually would be pretty close to a match made in heaven. Apple's ill-fated reliance on Motorola would fade away, the company's brand recognition would just explode, and Apple could take some steps toward putting OS X on a lot more PCs. Apple would gain access to some extremely cool technologies that IBM is blazing ground in, like high speed hard drives, advanced chip and motherboard manufacturing processes, and advanced CPUs. I could see this really succeeding if Apple was allowed to be in charge of the more visible parts of the company, like consumer electronics (iMacs, iBooks, and things like the iPods) and IBM stuck to the IT-pro field (things like servers, where Apple has traditionally been weak anyway) and R&D.
I don't see this as being particularly likely. However, as a person who would love to see some true competition to Microsoft's stranglehold on the desktop and a true Apple lover, I would really welcome this announcement.
I don't see this as being particularly likely. However, as a person who would love to see some true competition to Microsoft's stranglehold on the desktop and a true Apple lover, I would really welcome this announcement.
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IBM, Blah!
1984, Big Brother, IBM.... Hmmm... Wasn't Steve Jobs the one that was Born with a hate against IBM.... IBM Buy Apple??? Are you kidding, I dont think Apple would like to be bought and controlled, Steve Jobs would never let that happen. Anyways Apple isn't in any finacial trouble so why would they want to be bought??? Sounds like someone really likes making up rumors. Anyways if they get bought lets take a peek at what will happen to Apple...
The Microsoft-Apple relationship will be destroyed and meaning no more Office V.X for macintosh, YAY! Oh yeah! Thats a GREAT idea! Lets destroy the last bit of market share Apple has in the business world! IBM's POWERFUL processors, Don't get me started... OK they have G3's at 1ghz, And we have G4's at DUAL 1ghz, YAY! Oh yeah! lets put one of those G3 things in my Pro Mac and see it get blown away by a LOW, LOW end P4! YEP! Oh yeah, I can't wait to see the iBMac (IBM/iMac) its HEAVY, Square and BLACK! It was designed while it was being BUILT! YAY! Oh Yeah! Take That John Ives! OK now Apple is going Bankrupt and everything Steve Jobs did from 1997-ToNow is now undone, Apple is forgotten but IBM got MacOS X, Screwed the interface and Made it THEIR OWN! Oh yeah... Just like Lotus!!! If you think that Apple will bring Style to IBM, YOU ARE WRONG. When has IBM listened to Lotus? They SUCK at making PC's and would fail at marketing Macs!
BTW- Apple doesn't NEED TO BE BOUGHT! Its a tough time, We dont need IBM taking over Apple so it can survive off Apple and take a bite out of Apples bank account and just sit there. We need Apple to survive through this tough time with great products and MacOS X! Now if I have to, I will start a petition AGAINST IBM and make it a DotCom and advertise it like crazy and get people to sign at my own expense. Now maybe there is some good of IBM buying Apple but I know it wouldn't turn out right. If you think the way I am right now, And you think there should be a group against IBM doing this, Please E-Mail me at IceTraxXG5@mac.com or IM me on AIM, My screenname is IceTraxX. Please don't think that I am crazy or something but this is my opinion!
1984, Big Brother, IBM.... Hmmm... Wasn't Steve Jobs the one that was Born with a hate against IBM.... IBM Buy Apple??? Are you kidding, I dont think Apple would like to be bought and controlled, Steve Jobs would never let that happen. Anyways Apple isn't in any finacial trouble so why would they want to be bought??? Sounds like someone really likes making up rumors. Anyways if they get bought lets take a peek at what will happen to Apple...
The Microsoft-Apple relationship will be destroyed and meaning no more Office V.X for macintosh, YAY! Oh yeah! Thats a GREAT idea! Lets destroy the last bit of market share Apple has in the business world! IBM's POWERFUL processors, Don't get me started... OK they have G3's at 1ghz, And we have G4's at DUAL 1ghz, YAY! Oh yeah! lets put one of those G3 things in my Pro Mac and see it get blown away by a LOW, LOW end P4! YEP! Oh yeah, I can't wait to see the iBMac (IBM/iMac) its HEAVY, Square and BLACK! It was designed while it was being BUILT! YAY! Oh Yeah! Take That John Ives! OK now Apple is going Bankrupt and everything Steve Jobs did from 1997-ToNow is now undone, Apple is forgotten but IBM got MacOS X, Screwed the interface and Made it THEIR OWN! Oh yeah... Just like Lotus!!! If you think that Apple will bring Style to IBM, YOU ARE WRONG. When has IBM listened to Lotus? They SUCK at making PC's and would fail at marketing Macs!
BTW- Apple doesn't NEED TO BE BOUGHT! Its a tough time, We dont need IBM taking over Apple so it can survive off Apple and take a bite out of Apples bank account and just sit there. We need Apple to survive through this tough time with great products and MacOS X! Now if I have to, I will start a petition AGAINST IBM and make it a DotCom and advertise it like crazy and get people to sign at my own expense. Now maybe there is some good of IBM buying Apple but I know it wouldn't turn out right. If you think the way I am right now, And you think there should be a group against IBM doing this, Please E-Mail me at IceTraxXG5@mac.com or IM me on AIM, My screenname is IceTraxX. Please don't think that I am crazy or something but this is my opinion!
Although I really don't think IBM would "buy" Apple, there could possibly be something happening and this rumor is blowing whatever it is out of proportion.
I got together for a beer with a guy I went to college with - he is working in the IBM systems consulting group right now. We were talking about the big Linux push IBM has these days, and he was telling me that they have been trying really hard to find some way to get "UNIX" onto the desktop in some sort of reliable package. Problem is Linux and X are too hard to maintain.
He did not say anything about considering OS X. However, it would be a perfect fit for IBM with the UNIX base. For Apple to license OS X to IBM but restrict them to corporate sales would make sense for Apple and IBM since IBM has no interest in consumer PCs and Apple has a hard time getting corporate IT folks to consider Macs.
Heck - they could even wrap a beige box around it to make it more warm and fuzzy for the IT guys.
I got together for a beer with a guy I went to college with - he is working in the IBM systems consulting group right now. We were talking about the big Linux push IBM has these days, and he was telling me that they have been trying really hard to find some way to get "UNIX" onto the desktop in some sort of reliable package. Problem is Linux and X are too hard to maintain.
He did not say anything about considering OS X. However, it would be a perfect fit for IBM with the UNIX base. For Apple to license OS X to IBM but restrict them to corporate sales would make sense for Apple and IBM since IBM has no interest in consumer PCs and Apple has a hard time getting corporate IT folks to consider Macs.
Heck - they could even wrap a beige box around it to make it more warm and fuzzy for the IT guys.
It could work...really.
Only if IBM cannot make personal computers or laptops. If they can only make servers based on the Mac OS that Apple would provide and apple keeps on doing its consumer thing, it would work. IBM could spend all the money it wants making the Mac OS a viable business platform and give Apple more market share.
Only if IBM cannot make personal computers or laptops. If they can only make servers based on the Mac OS that Apple would provide and apple keeps on doing its consumer thing, it would work. IBM could spend all the money it wants making the Mac OS a viable business platform and give Apple more market share.
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All offers must be taken seriously
Unfortunately, if IBM tenders an offer to the Apple board, they must treat it seriously because of legistlation and SEC rules. And IBM can always seek hostile takeover (not as common now, but just look at the ugly battle over the HP/Compaq merger) and if so unless Apple's Board is willing to eat its cash reserves to fight, IBM would likely win.
But frankly, I have to go with the folks who are waiting for some kind of validation from a legitimate business news sources.
Unfortunately, if IBM tenders an offer to the Apple board, they must treat it seriously because of legistlation and SEC rules. And IBM can always seek hostile takeover (not as common now, but just look at the ugly battle over the HP/Compaq merger) and if so unless Apple's Board is willing to eat its cash reserves to fight, IBM would likely win.
But frankly, I have to go with the folks who are waiting for some kind of validation from a legitimate business news sources.
Seems like a real longshot
It just doesn't seem to fit. I'm not sure how IBM would profit from such a move, given that they could not maintain the Apple culture, which is such a huge part of what makes Apple what it is. Many of us might be turned off by "our" computer company being owned by "Big Brother."
Which brings me to my second point. I'm not sure IBM is "Big Brother" anymore.
Next to Microsoft, everyone else seems like an underdog. In 1984, it looked as if IBM were this unbeatable behemoth that would eventually own everything. Now it's M$ that's dicatating terms to computer makers. Truthfully, in a knock-down, drag-out between M$ and IBM, who would you be rooting for (besides Apple)?
The only upsides to this rumor (if it were ever to be true), would be that 1) IBM still probably has the ability to produce computers at a rate that could always meet demand, and 2) despite being perceived as "dull", IBM knows how to make a decent OS for PC's. OS/2 has always been better than any Microsoft product. It is more stable and versatile than any M$ piece of crap. However, it still couldn't make a significant dent in the psyches of the masses.
Which brings me to my third point. I just don't see it.
If IBM couldn't "beat" M$ with a superior OS, why would it be able to with a superior computer and OS--one that represents just a sliver of the market (as far as they're concerned)? Seems like they look at it that way, as well.
Just seems really unlikely...and I hope it's as false as it sounds.
Chris
It just doesn't seem to fit. I'm not sure how IBM would profit from such a move, given that they could not maintain the Apple culture, which is such a huge part of what makes Apple what it is. Many of us might be turned off by "our" computer company being owned by "Big Brother."
Which brings me to my second point. I'm not sure IBM is "Big Brother" anymore.
Next to Microsoft, everyone else seems like an underdog. In 1984, it looked as if IBM were this unbeatable behemoth that would eventually own everything. Now it's M$ that's dicatating terms to computer makers. Truthfully, in a knock-down, drag-out between M$ and IBM, who would you be rooting for (besides Apple)?
The only upsides to this rumor (if it were ever to be true), would be that 1) IBM still probably has the ability to produce computers at a rate that could always meet demand, and 2) despite being perceived as "dull", IBM knows how to make a decent OS for PC's. OS/2 has always been better than any Microsoft product. It is more stable and versatile than any M$ piece of crap. However, it still couldn't make a significant dent in the psyches of the masses.
Which brings me to my third point. I just don't see it.
If IBM couldn't "beat" M$ with a superior OS, why would it be able to with a superior computer and OS--one that represents just a sliver of the market (as far as they're concerned)? Seems like they look at it that way, as well.
Just seems really unlikely...and I hope it's as false as it sounds.
Chris
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Here I come to save the day!!!
Common Sense Man Here,
I've heard on my trusty ham radio that mac users worldwide are frightened by rumors about an IBM aquisition. Ladies and gentlemen allow me to use my super powers to bestow upon you a little light.
So remember kids, uhhh .. OMG APPLE IS SELLING OUT???? IT WAS ALL A LIE??? ALL THAT BS ABOUT DIGITAL CRAP??? STEVE IS JUST PUMPING UP THE STOCK TO GET A GOOD BID????
ohh wait, this rumor started at SpyMac, false alarm, put the cyanide caplets down. It's going to be fine. All of Spymac's junk is off. They forecast apple decisions as well as Job's covers up that he's half android. Every one knows SM is lying.
CSM
Common Sense Man Here,
I've heard on my trusty ham radio that mac users worldwide are frightened by rumors about an IBM aquisition. Ladies and gentlemen allow me to use my super powers to bestow upon you a little light.
So remember kids, uhhh .. OMG APPLE IS SELLING OUT???? IT WAS ALL A LIE??? ALL THAT BS ABOUT DIGITAL CRAP??? STEVE IS JUST PUMPING UP THE STOCK TO GET A GOOD BID????
ohh wait, this rumor started at SpyMac, false alarm, put the cyanide caplets down. It's going to be fine. All of Spymac's junk is off. They forecast apple decisions as well as Job's covers up that he's half android. Every one knows SM is lying.
CSM
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Common Sense Man...you are mis-named.
The rumor started at www.jagnotes.com. This is a subscription service, but was widely reported on Northern Light. I would bet a fair number of people read about it at macsurfer (not exactly a rumor site, no?). And I wouldn't say people are panicing here, either. Seems like a good debate is going on.
Do a little research first...
The rumor started at www.jagnotes.com. This is a subscription service, but was widely reported on Northern Light. I would bet a fair number of people read about it at macsurfer (not exactly a rumor site, no?). And I wouldn't say people are panicing here, either. Seems like a good debate is going on.
Do a little research first...
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International Business Machines might have a reason...
it surprises me. there's a lot of people here seem to think apple has some sort of say in this. if i'm not mistaken a company 25 times as big as apple would be capable of a hostile takeover.
i'm not saying they'd want to but if they did who's gonna stop em?
it surprises me. there's a lot of people here seem to think apple has some sort of say in this. if i'm not mistaken a company 25 times as big as apple would be capable of a hostile takeover.
i'm not saying they'd want to but if they did who's gonna stop em?
Re: IBM Creative?
Ummm...check out the IBM T220 display. That thing eats Cinema Displays for breakfast. IBM creates very monlithic, simple, WELL-DESIGNED hardware in its high end offerings.
Sure, its lacks excitement, but to call them the least creative is way off.
Ummm...check out the IBM T220 display. That thing eats Cinema Displays for breakfast. IBM creates very monlithic, simple, WELL-DESIGNED hardware in its high end offerings.
Sure, its lacks excitement, but to call them the least creative is way off.
hehe flame material.
an IBM/Apple/SONY alliance I could see happening. Anybody ever notice how similar Apple / Sony products are? Besides all the sony parts in all my macs
Jobs is the question. He's proved his point ... that he can kick some butt ... nice to rub it in somebody's face after being fired. Why else would he do it all for a $1 ... to copy Iaoccoa? nahh ...
Is Jobs done? Nope .... look to Sony to see where both companies are going ... digital hub ... hmmm .... I've had that for a bit ... 2 years ago when I bought my Sony stereo system .... iLink (Firewire) ... Wega 32" and DVD theater system, clie ... cool stuff too bad they don't Apple very well.
Does Apple care for any or you or even me? nahhh ... he's gonna complete the circle first ... introduce all that he's thought of in the past what ??? 10 years bring Apple to a peak and bail with a golden parachuet full of gold that his private jet couldn't afford.
Come on the guy doesn't care about you ... or your culture ... or me; he cares about his "image" and his "theatrics" (... throwing a DVcam across a stage ... sheessh).
I've been an Apple user since nearly 84' ... apple ][ e and bought my own IIc
So if this where true .... I think I'd be happy ... urinate on the M$ world think mentality (actually not M$ itself ... hmmm ... sure M$ bits and what not ... but it's all the folks who buy a M$ cuz their neighbor/friend said it was the way to go ... but who in turn ask me for help ... (answer $100 for the headache) ... dang my family betrayed me and bought cheap machines cuz printers/scanners/cameras came with the machine as rebates.
Look at Apple for what it is folks .... Yes, I love my mac but I use it cuz it does what I need it to do quickly, easily and efficently. But, I do realize that Apple will do what it wants for it's own reasons at it's own time.
hmmm .... cheaper better machines would be nice though.
an IBM/Apple/SONY alliance I could see happening. Anybody ever notice how similar Apple / Sony products are? Besides all the sony parts in all my macs
Jobs is the question. He's proved his point ... that he can kick some butt ... nice to rub it in somebody's face after being fired. Why else would he do it all for a $1 ... to copy Iaoccoa? nahh ...
Is Jobs done? Nope .... look to Sony to see where both companies are going ... digital hub ... hmmm .... I've had that for a bit ... 2 years ago when I bought my Sony stereo system .... iLink (Firewire) ... Wega 32" and DVD theater system, clie ... cool stuff too bad they don't Apple very well.
Does Apple care for any or you or even me? nahhh ... he's gonna complete the circle first ... introduce all that he's thought of in the past what ??? 10 years bring Apple to a peak and bail with a golden parachuet full of gold that his private jet couldn't afford.
Come on the guy doesn't care about you ... or your culture ... or me; he cares about his "image" and his "theatrics" (... throwing a DVcam across a stage ... sheessh).
I've been an Apple user since nearly 84' ... apple ][ e and bought my own IIc
So if this where true .... I think I'd be happy ... urinate on the M$ world think mentality (actually not M$ itself ... hmmm ... sure M$ bits and what not ... but it's all the folks who buy a M$ cuz their neighbor/friend said it was the way to go ... but who in turn ask me for help ... (answer $100 for the headache) ... dang my family betrayed me and bought cheap machines cuz printers/scanners/cameras came with the machine as rebates.
Look at Apple for what it is folks .... Yes, I love my mac but I use it cuz it does what I need it to do quickly, easily and efficently. But, I do realize that Apple will do what it wants for it's own reasons at it's own time.
hmmm .... cheaper better machines would be nice though.
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Sony/Apple/IBM, not bad
Sony : digital lifestyle things
Apple : The desktops
IBM : the servers
=> Micro$oft will go down and OS X rulez ( on a PowerPC chip) :d
Sony : digital lifestyle things
Apple : The desktops
IBM : the servers
=> Micro$oft will go down and OS X rulez ( on a PowerPC chip) :d
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Re: buy
ibm shut down their retail computer operations in 2000, now all big blue needs to do is lose 95 percent of its total valuation and then maybe apple could buy ibm
ibm shut down their retail computer operations in 2000, now all big blue needs to do is lose 95 percent of its total valuation and then maybe apple could buy ibm
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Why would it be bad?
Bill Gates bought a lot of shares in Apple a few years ago when Apple was on its deathbed so Apple could continue.
Why would it be so bad if IBM bought shares in Apple? I think both Apple and IBM would benefit from it. Advantages always comes from cooperation.
Bill Gates bought a lot of shares in Apple a few years ago when Apple was on its deathbed so Apple could continue.
Why would it be so bad if IBM bought shares in Apple? I think both Apple and IBM would benefit from it. Advantages always comes from cooperation.
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Re: IBM bought NeXT technology in 1990
IBM locked NEXTSTEP 0.9 away which was running on their RS6000 systems. Great help that was...
IBM locked NEXTSTEP 0.9 away which was running on their RS6000 systems. Great help that was...
Not the first time
Years ago, there was giong to be an Apple/IBM merger. It was called off for some reason (like, the CEO's got into an argument) just as the papers were about to be signed. Personally, I don't think it sounds likely (Steve would never let it happen), but you just can't be sure...
Years ago, there was giong to be an Apple/IBM merger. It was called off for some reason (like, the CEO's got into an argument) just as the papers were about to be signed. Personally, I don't think it sounds likely (Steve would never let it happen), but you just can't be sure...
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Be real about the cash value
If Apple has 4 billion in cash, the value of the cash is only $11.31/share or less. Apple has a PE of over 40 (a bit rich for a company in a flat to declining business). So let's not suggest Apple is worth more just for the cash.
If Apple has 4 billion in cash, the value of the cash is only $11.31/share or less. Apple has a PE of over 40 (a bit rich for a company in a flat to declining business). So let's not suggest Apple is worth more just for the cash.
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Current IBMer
Ok guys,
I am a current IBMer. Let me add a few comments. First, IBM isn't the same company that most compare it to. It has changed significantly in the past 10 years. Second, I have been a Mac loyalist for 14 years. So... the next question is naturally why am I at IBM? Because I am in a division called Global Services that provides innovative services to it's customers. We are creative! We create sites like the Grammy's, USOpen, Macy's and REI. We have created the interfaces and backend technologies for hundreds of well known sites.
Do I think Apple is a good "fit" for IBM. No way, not from a culture point of view. Is Apple a good fit financially and strategically? Absolutely, without question. Can IBM afford to buy Apple, yes... it's pennies to IBM.
The bigger question, does anyone at IBM have the brilliance to leave Apple alone? It's what has made Apple great for years and it's why I work for the most technologically advanced company in the world and choose to bring my Titanium in tow...yes, even at IBM.
Somethings just need to be left the way they are. For better or for worse.
Ok guys,
I am a current IBMer. Let me add a few comments. First, IBM isn't the same company that most compare it to. It has changed significantly in the past 10 years. Second, I have been a Mac loyalist for 14 years. So... the next question is naturally why am I at IBM? Because I am in a division called Global Services that provides innovative services to it's customers. We are creative! We create sites like the Grammy's, USOpen, Macy's and REI. We have created the interfaces and backend technologies for hundreds of well known sites.
Do I think Apple is a good "fit" for IBM. No way, not from a culture point of view. Is Apple a good fit financially and strategically? Absolutely, without question. Can IBM afford to buy Apple, yes... it's pennies to IBM.
The bigger question, does anyone at IBM have the brilliance to leave Apple alone? It's what has made Apple great for years and it's why I work for the most technologically advanced company in the world and choose to bring my Titanium in tow...yes, even at IBM.
Somethings just need to be left the way they are. For better or for worse.
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Apple and IBM
Ok guys,
I am a current IBMer. Let me add a few comments. First, IBM isn't the same company that most compare it to. It has changed significantly in the past 10 years. Second, I have been a Mac loyalist for 14 years. So... the next question is naturally why am I at IBM? Because I am in a division called Global Services that provides innovative services to it's customers. We are creative! We create sites like the Grammy's, USOpen, Macy's and REI. We have created the interfaces and backend technologies for hundreds of well known sites.
Do I think Apple is a good "fit" for IBM. No way, not from a culture point of view. Is Apple a good fit financially and strategically? Absolutely, without question. Can IBM afford to buy Apple, yes... it's pennies to IBM.
The bigger question, does anyone at IBM have the brilliance to leave Apple alone? It's what has made Apple great for years and it's why I work for the most technologically advanced company in the world and choose to bring my Titanium in tow...yes, even at IBM.
Somethings just need to be left the way they are. For better or for worse.
Ok guys,
I am a current IBMer. Let me add a few comments. First, IBM isn't the same company that most compare it to. It has changed significantly in the past 10 years. Second, I have been a Mac loyalist for 14 years. So... the next question is naturally why am I at IBM? Because I am in a division called Global Services that provides innovative services to it's customers. We are creative! We create sites like the Grammy's, USOpen, Macy's and REI. We have created the interfaces and backend technologies for hundreds of well known sites.
Do I think Apple is a good "fit" for IBM. No way, not from a culture point of view. Is Apple a good fit financially and strategically? Absolutely, without question. Can IBM afford to buy Apple, yes... it's pennies to IBM.
The bigger question, does anyone at IBM have the brilliance to leave Apple alone? It's what has made Apple great for years and it's why I work for the most technologically advanced company in the world and choose to bring my Titanium in tow...yes, even at IBM.
Somethings just need to be left the way they are. For better or for worse.