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* Abysmal performance without throwing huge blades at it
* Memory leaks STILL not corrected
* Applications that require huge efforts to export to another platform (we are migrating our G20 to Websphere = nightmare)
* Platform client costs
* Maintenance lockdowns

Et al....

Agree completely; I have worked with MS, Notes and now MAC and I agree with an earlier poster than Notes was so bad it actually made MS look neat, well-integrated, and seamlessly structured. Lists of percentages and companies using Notes fail to convince, especially when so much user feedback is so dire. My real query here is, what is a super company like Apple thinking of to contemplate using such software on its iPhone? I am lost for words. Cheers
 
Agree completely; I have worked with MS, Notes and now MAC and I agree with an earlier poster than Notes was so bad it actually made MS look neat, well-integrated, and seamlessly structured. Lists of percentages and companies using Notes fail to convince, especially when so much user feedback is so dire. My real query here is, what is a super company like Apple thinking of to contemplate using such software on its iPhone? I am lost for words. Cheers

Huh? What version were you working on? MS Products are like heliocopters - thousands of parts flying in close formation, all trying to break apart. What is the basis for your comment? Hell, Sharepoint is AD + IIS + MS SQL + more + more . How is that integrated and seamless?

I'm running 3k + users across two boxes in two data centres with fully active/active clustering and load balancing (all built in, no extra products, no shared data store) and my only performance limitations are due to the underlying OS which is Windows! Oh, and the choice of WIndows was not mine - it was forced upon me, much to managment's now obvious regret. We're going to Linux soon to get away from Windows 2003's hardwired limitations for memory and disk. Not like I could get away from Windows if we were using a MS-based solution.

Your loss for words does not lend our posting any additional viability.
 
Source of the information is from IBM/customer data

Here are some facts on Lotus Notes:
IBM® Lotus® Notes® and Domino® has over 20 years of leadership in the collaboration space
Over 140M licenses of Lotus Notes and Domino have been sold worldwide
Over 46K companies around the world actively use and maintain their Lotus Notes and Domino installations
Lotus Notes and Domino has seen 14 consecutive quarters of year-to-year growth from 4Q04 through 1Q08
Lotus growth in the first quarter results beat MS Exchange results with 22% growth
More than half of America’s largest 100 corporations use Lotus Notes and Domino
More than half of the FORTUNE Global 100 corporations use Lotus Notes and Domino
 8 of the top 10 banks use Domino and Notes
 8 of the top 10 insurance corporations use Domino and Notes
 4 of the top 5 consumer products corporations use Domino and Notes
 8 of the top 12 pharmaceutical corporations use Domino and Notes
 7 of the top 10 electronics corporations use Domino and Notes
 9 of the top 12 telecommunications corporations use Domino and Notes
 8 of the top 10 automotive corporations use Domino and Notes
 9 of the top 10 aerospace & defense corporations use Domino and Notes
As a market share leader, Lotus Notes and Domino ranks second in the integrated collaborative environments market based on worldwide total revenue
Lotus data indicates that approximately 97 percent of Lotus Notes and Domino customers are on the 6.5.x release or higher
Lotus Notes and Domino are supported by over 10,000 IBM Business Partners worldwide who have thousands of integrated solutions running on it
From 2006 to 2007, the number of IBM Business Partners delivering Lotus solutions more than doubled
Market share numbers are anywhere from 40-43% of the worldwide collaboration market and growing depending on the analyst performing the study. Some companies have both Exchange and Domino and are licensed for both so there is overlap. Microsoft licensing agreements for Office sometimes include Exchange and Outlook licenses which are counted as valid by Microsoft when in fact those licenses are never used because they are sold to a customer using Notes and Domino. Those licenses remain sitting on the shelf but MS reports that company and an Exchange customer.

Lotus developed iNotes in late 2007/early 2008 and has in beta as a part of Domino 8.02 due for release in Q3/2008 the new iNotes interface for iPhone. Lotus was given the developers toolkit by Apple this just this Spring and developers are evaluating ways to add more Lotus functionality. Anything Lotus develops has to meet business enterprise ready requirements and security concerns. Since Lotus Notes is the world's largest installed Public Key Infrastructure we have to make sure that any application developed for iPhone has security in mind and cannot be compromised. Our customers have that expectation of absolute security of the data and the PKI inside Notes.

Lotus Notes 8 is based on open-source Eclipse, integrates with Google Gadgets and includes integrated instant messaging and awareness, includes composite applications, and allows anyone to change the look and feel of the interface anyway they desire. You can even change it to look like Outlook. Notes 8 has hooks into social software and other products. The Notes 8.5 Mac OSX Beta is available now for downloading and will be released in Q4/2008 with Domino 8.5. Lotus Symphony for Mac (Open Office based document, presentation, and spreadsheet editors) will also be available for no charge by the end of the year. Lotus Quickr and Lotus Connections (social software) fully support Safari on the Mac. Many of the other Lotus software products support the Mac since our customers are all looking at adopting Mac OSX as an alternate OS to Windows. Gartner reports that 56% of CIO's are looking at other OS options like Linux and Mac now.

Many IBMers are now adopting Macbook Pro laptops as an option for some IBM divisions and the Mac has quite a devoted following inside Lotus in particular.


The source of this data is from IBM customer data purchases and relationships where we know which companies use our product and when they pay IBM for maintenance, support and upgrades. This is public information and updated each year at Lotusphere.
 
just curious which you think is better

My dad works for Chrysler corp., and as far as I know the entire corporation still uses notes. He never seems to have a problem with it. The hospital I work for just migrated from groupwise and is now kind of limping into exchange...it works as far as the PCs within the health system, but there is not yet any support for push notifications to blackberrys and what not.

You say your hospital just migrated from groupwise to exchange. I'm curious which version to which version and, so far, which you like better.
 
Was it Apple or IBM that though of this?

... My real query here is, what is a super company like Apple thinking of to contemplate using such software on its iPhone? I am lost for words. Cheers

You ask why Apple would contemplate this. But wasn't it IBM that's initiating this connection? Either way, why not? It makes good business sense considering there's such a large use base using notes. And it's an in-road to corporate America. Integrating exchange is like including earwax. It's there but no one really wants to do anything but clean it out. :p
 
Thanks to crapeyes for drawing my attention to the fact that IBM, rather than Apple, have initiated this. Fair enough.

Re dunmac, and my loss for words, my point remains valid as it is based on personal - if reluctant - experience. The choice of Notes was not mine; at the time I used it, I worked in the public service where our section used it. I'll readily concede that it was considerably earlier this decade, and the package used was probably not the most up-to-date. Earlier posts on this thread have pointed out, very fairly, that sometimes the fault lies with the institution or company, rather than with the software package. Perhaps, and I do see the point.

However, I reiterate that Notes was the worst - by far - system that I have ever worked with, and it has left me with an intense prejudice against the software. I'm delighted to learn that it has improved, but, again, this was my experience at the time; indeed, it was the only package that managed to make MS look good; I have no love for MS, after all, I'm a recent switcher. Cheers.
 
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