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they would be much better than the new ibooks. my friend has a powerbook 12" and loves it. its not that all the new ibooks would be bad. buy it at an apple store or mac dealer and not online. that way you can inspect it first hand. another idea if you don't need much speed and want to save even more money is buy a used clamshell model. an se version would have a 466MHz G3 and would be more than enough for internet and paper writing. those are the durable ones.
 
on my G3 iBook - "late 2002", the track pad makes creaking noises.. everything functions perfectly though...

...except for last week when the logic board had to be replaced :eek:

adang
 
I just noticed for the first time that if I press down hard enough on the bottom corners of my iBook G4's trackpad, it clicks and acts as a mouse button

OMG... I was fiddling with it while typing the above, and found that pressing the down the palm rest beside the trackpad/button makes it click :eek:

If I use both hands (one either side) I can click it from the middle of the palm rest.
 
Well said ....

Originally posted by blue&whiteman
when someone pays good money for something they have every right to insist it be perfect. its people like you that quality control people love because you will settle for second best.

*********************************

NG,

If Apple did not make such a point of their
superior aesthetics -- Ives et al -- and if they
were incapable of producing quality fit/finish
products, we would not have a case.

BUT, since Apple does make a HUGE point of
their superior design/fit/finish ( and rack in
millions based on that ), AND since they are
perfectly capable of delivering on that promise ( witness : iPod, iMac, G5 ) ...

THEN, we have every right to demand that the AESTHETIC ( read : "plastics" , stuck pixels, etc ) portion of their SALES PITCH be
D-E-L-I-V-E-R-E-D ....

I have never paid Apple with defective dollars.

Had ANY portion of my payment BOUNCED,
I would have heard from their COLLECTORS.

Apple Inc. is VERY anal-retentive about this :)


In a sad way, you are lucky (NG) that you have no appreciation of beauty in the design of machines. You will be happy with any turd
you are given.

But many of us find that a Mac with a flaw is much worse than a winbox with a flaw ; in the same way that a figure skater who falls on her ass looks far worse than a roller derby skater who falls on her's ..... get it ?

We expect more from Apple.

In fact, we pay more for it.


---gooddog
 
Originally posted by Nicky G
You people are some anal-retentive weirdoes! My iBook exhibits all of the non-issues you are talking about. They are nothing. You are freaks. You would find fault with anything. My iBook G4 is solid, and the best machine I've ever owned. Not all of us dwell over "imperfections" that are mere fractions of a millimeter, and you have to be actively looking for to be bothered by. Sheesh!
When I looked at the thread 'anal' and 'retentive' were two words that came into my mind too along with the phrase 'get a life' My G4 iBook is over in the house and I'm not leaving my office to se if it has a minute gap here and there. i't a lovely machine but it isn't the best machine I'ver ever owned. That's my dual G5 and 23" Cinema display:)
 
The point is that you freaks would not find perfection in ANY manufactured good -- you are obsessive compulsive, and probably cause half the problems you complain about by poking and prodding at your machines so much, looking for flaws!

Trust me, I appreciate nicely crafted things, especially electronics. The iBook G4 certainly meets that definition to 99% of all people who would ever own and use it.

To the people unsure of whether they should buy one, based on the rantings of a few obsessive-compulsive, anal-retentive folks on a bulletin board that caters mostly to obsessed Mac freaks, I say -- go to a store, try one out for yourself, and THEN decide. If you can't stand a barely-audible sound of a plastic part shifting 1/100mm, or a 1/25mm gap between two pieces of plastic (probably intentional, as it allows for more play in the parts, and thus, GREATER sturdiness in the long run), don't get it. If the 1/10mm lip of one small corner of the battery sticking out -- ON THE BOTTOM OF THE MACHINE -- freaks you out to no end, don't get one.

If you are closer to your average human (who still appreciates a nice laptop), I posit that you will likely LOVE the iBook G4, unlike some of the dorks on this board.
 
insulting people over and over makes you much more of a freak I would say. people wanting their purchase to be in perfect condition does not affect you in any way whatsoever yet you seem to take it as offensive like they are saying bad things about you. just to clarify, this thread is about imperfections in the ibook not about imperfections in you, nick. let people bitch if they want, thats what forums are for in some ways. if it bothers you that much then simply don't read what people type.
 
Originally posted by moron
How old are you??? I'm guessing 15!

I agree with Nicky G - The iBook is a great laptop , the best value and the best laptop I've ever owned. The keyboard is perfectly level,straight and doesn't creak, but then I'm not 15, I', 61 so I might be too deaf to hear the creaks. The battery also fits perfectly. I suppose you 'perfectionists' spend all day with your heads inside paper bags so other people don't have to look at your imperfections.

If you all hate iBooks so much, why not buy PCs?
 
i'm starting to think that apple should have stayed with the clamshell design as they were probably the toughest laptop case ever made next to the titanium powerbook. no one ever seemed to complain about them. the new ibook casing seems to really be flawed ever since they switched to the all white more squared style.

Exactly. I have always said the same thing. BTW, I am noticing the same problem on my 700mhz G3 iBook. Nothing big though.
 
I just got a 14" iBook and my battery is almost perfectly flush and certainly doesn't bother me and the left side of my case is super solid even though I did upgrade to a 60 GB HD.

The only thing I'm having an issue with is the lower right corner of my keyboard seems to creek a bit when I type, specifically on the right arrow button.

has anybody else had this happen?
 
Originally posted by colinet
I agree with Nicky G - The iBook is a great laptop , the best value and the best laptop I've ever owned. The keyboard is perfectly level,straight and doesn't creak, but then I'm not 15, I', 61 so I might be too deaf to hear the creaks. The battery also fits perfectly. I suppose you 'perfectionists' spend all day with your heads inside paper bags so other people don't have to look at your imperfections.

If you all hate iBooks so much, why not buy PCs?

You're missing the point. I wouldn't say you have to be a 'perfectionist' to expect something you've spent £1500 on to be perfect. My PB cost £2000, and luckily its been fine, but if the case wasn't fitted together properly and the battery wasn't flush, then I'd definately have done something about it.

Nobody is saying they hate iBooks, they are just reporting problems they've encountered with the machine. Perhaps you're too blind to read this thread properly, as well as too deaf to hear your machine squeak.

It seems that you're fortunate enough to have an iBook which is free from such problems. Congratulations. Although don't you think it's a bit ignorant, especially for a man of your years, to dismiss everyone elses problems as pedantic moans, just because they don't necessarily apply to you? Perhaps one day, when a problem develops with your machine, you can come and post about it here, and then I can tell you to stop moaning. That'd be ironic, eh?

:rolleyes:
 
Here's my best attempt to outdo you all as the most trivial complaint: the metal ring of the headphone socket aligns with the right side of the hole in the plastic casing, leaving a small gap on the left! Outrageous!

More seriously, I think most of the issues here indicate that we are getting what we paid for--these iBook's are now cheaper than many of their PC equivalents. The design is great, the materials are good, but the build quality of our flash BMWs is heading down. And while we're not quite at the level of your average Ford or GM yet, we can't brag as loudly as we used to.

Indeed it seems one can compare the build quality complaints to the car industry... in any in-depth automobile review, the fit and finish will be discussed. The issues may often be trivial, but they sure as heck don't go unnoticed and shouldn't go undiscussed. Just as long as we keep our sense of perspective :)
 
LAST MESSAGE -

And people who list their computers right down to the tiniest upgrades as part of their signature need to get out into the sunshine, smell the roses and get a life.

Most of you are all a bunch of sad lonely nerds

BYE:) :) :) :) :)
 
ok, this thread has gone way too off its point. just stop with all the mellow drama. insulting people at 61? say whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess...

btw, many of the members of this forum list their systems in their sig. so you are insulting about half the people here with that one.
 
Originally posted by blue&whiteman
btw, many of the members of this forum list their systems in their sig. so you are insulting about half the people here with that one.

Couldn't resist one more -

Any advice on how to insult the other half?

Hey, I've sold 2 million books, had 3 wives inclduing the best one ever right now. had 3 great daughters and just take n on a 10 year old foster daughter. I feel pretty good about m,ysel;f. I just like taking the piss out of people and don't suffer fools or wankers

Bye. and as you say so insincerely in the U.S. - Have a nice day
 
Originally posted by colinet
Hey, I've sold 2 million books, had 3 wives inclduing the best one ever right now. had 3 great daughters and just take n on a 10 year old foster daughter. I feel pretty good about m,ysel;f.


Wow! You've done all that and you still act like a complete idiot? That's quite something! I've got a question - how come, despite the fact you claim to be so fulfilled and happy, you feel the need to come onto this forum and post random abuse at people? I'm sure it's a really good way to pass those hours, and raise your self esteem. You can sit back in your chair with a big smug smile on your face knowing that you've told all the nerds how stupid they are. Don't let the fact that you're acting like a tosser cloud your mind!

I just like taking the piss out of people and don't suffer fools or wankers

Then spending time on your own must be unbareable. I pitty you.
 
Fearing this will get drowned out by pathetic bickering, but...

Can anyone else with an iBook G4 wish to confirm the palm rest clicking anomaly I mentioned earlier? Try pressing down the palm rest on the sides of the touchpad using either your fingers or palm of your hands, and see if it clicks.

Also, can anyone comment on the battery latch matter I mentioned on the previous page?

Oh, and just to add to the list here, does anyone else find the front latch doesn't always clip down when closing the iBook, requiring a second press?
 
Originally posted by huntsman
Can anyone else with an iBook G4 wish to confirm the palm rest clicking anomaly I mentioned earlier? Try pressing down the palm rest on the sides of the touchpad using either your fingers or palm of your hands, and see if it clicks.

Here! :eek: :(
 
Corner Keyboard

When I installed my wi-fi card, I learned that the keyboard was very tricky to put back.

I had to put on some 4X reading glasses and use a flashlight to get every little tab in place - then it was solid and level all around.

I can only suggest that you re-position it VERY carefully - studying the tabs to see how they should interlock.

---gooddog
 
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