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Again,

Apple SELLS good looks as well as good machines.

I once saw a wealthy gent dressed to the hilt
( a bit like Mr. Peanut) lean against the back quarter of his Rolls , with one hand, to look up at the sign outside the building next to him.

Just then, his driver took off, sending the gent spinning and down on his ass into a puddle.

The fact that he was so ELEGANTLY ATTIRED made the whole thing look far worse and outrageously comical to everyone at the busy down town Miami intersection.

Nobody hated the gent.

It just looked ridiculous.

He could have saved himself some expense
( as far as this incident goes) with a Ford Pinto and a pair of Bermuda shorts.

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Maybe it's time for third party mfg. of cases
that specialize in delivering non-DEFECTIVE
plastics , to come in and show the permissive
types that it takes no miracle to make a case that does NOT suck.


---gooddog
 
I think my keyboard problem is pretty genuine, pressing the 's' key once sometimes produces two 's' characters.

Anyone else got this?


Wolverine
 
Originally posted by blue&whiteman
when someone pays good money for something they have every right to insist it be perfect. its people like you that quality control people love because you will settle for second best.

Hm, I've no problem with 2nd best if it still does what I want of it. I do have a problem paying winner prices for 2nd best racers.
 
Originally posted by huntsman
I just noticed for the first time that if I press down hard enough on the bottom corners of my iBook G4's trackpad, it clicks and acts as a mouse button

OMG... I was fiddling with it while typing the above, and found that pressing the down the palm rest beside the trackpad/button makes it click :eek:

If I use both hands (one either side) I can click it from the middle of the palm rest.
Think yourself lucky, you have the prototype of apples 2button trackpad ;)
 
Originally posted by huntsman
I just noticed for the first time that if I press down hard enough on the bottom corners of my iBook G4's trackpad, it clicks and acts as a mouse button

OMG... I was fiddling with it while typing the above, and found that pressing the down the palm rest beside the trackpad/button makes it click :eek:

If I use both hands (one either side) I can click it from the middle of the palm rest.


Yep, I've got this problem too...

Wolverine
 
I also have 12 inch BTO iBook G4 with everything. Its seemed to be very well put together. If i put on hand on the white part in the left hand conrner, and another on the grey part in that area i can jiggle them apart alittle bit, not much at all. Also when the screen is closed the screen seems to leen a little bit to the right, just a little mit. To me these are minor little things and I'm not woring to much. (Forgot, as posted below my battery does sink slightly below case)
 
In defense of the iBook -

Maybe it is different because I ordered a stock iBook G4 14", but my fit in finish is really good overall. I have no creaking or popping, but I do have a couple of things that bother me; the battery doesn't fit flush with the case, and the keyboard is a little spongy in the top right-hand corner. Aside from these two little problems, it looks great.

Too bad Apple isn't doing better with QA, this is one of their biggest strengths.
 
My keyboard's a bit spongy in the top right hand corner too. I've heard Apple have recognised the loose bottom left hand corner of the case and are replacing some parts. On mine and a few other people's I know, if you rest your wrist on the bottom left hand corner, the trackpad goes crazy.


Wolverine
 
i think i have all u beat, unfortunatly. well has anyone had the pleasant experience of using a broken trackpad?? well, if you havent, basically, the mouse will spaz out randomly and just completely unpleasent. thats not all, i think ive expperienced all teh problems u guys have. also i noticed taht if u pushed the center of the trackpad, it will give way. this is unacceptable. i have not had a good experience with a mac since my 8500. my older 500 mhz ibook had over 20 problems, not wanting to name them. (allmost every involved the screen) unfortunatly i fear apple is degrading in quality.
 
Hey, thanks for the warnings. I'll be looking for these problems when I go to buy my iBook G4 12.1" in January! As for all the namecalling and bitching in this thread, let's all behave as adults, even those of us who aren't!
 
Originally posted by rag on a muffin
i think i have all u beat, unfortunatly. well has anyone had the pleasant experience of using a broken trackpad?? well, if you havent, basically, the mouse will spaz out randomly and just completely unpleasent. thats not all, i think ive expperienced all teh problems u guys have. also i noticed taht if u pushed the center of the trackpad, it will give way. this is unacceptable. i have not had a good experience with a mac since my 8500. my older 500 mhz ibook had over 20 problems, not wanting to name them. (allmost every involved the screen) unfortunatly i fear apple is degrading in quality.

hpoe not, ive been strongly thinking of switching to one
 
you know what's funny..

I thought buying first gen stuff would be a total crapshoot..


but i bought the first gen tibooks anyway (actually ordered it the day it was released), and not a problem at all..

well there was ONE problem, the cdrom was fudged up, but thats because we dropped the PB on to the Cdrom corner, i also fixed that too (just needed reseating)...

moral of the story is : buy first gen products. or dont buy them. damn it, there is no moral.
 
G3 iBook probs.

Right now I'm using an iBook G3 that my school bought over the summer. It has the new white case also with alot of the same issues you guys r having(battery flush, case squeeking/creeking, keyboard, trackpad,ect.) Anyways, I noticed these the second I started to use the ibook, but they don't bother me that much. Sure apple SHOULD have better quality, but it's a case. The machine still works PERFECTLY. Also, despite the creeks in the case, I've picked up and carried the ibook by the bottom left corner, and haven't second thought me doin that at all. The case isn't going to give way, it may only creek a little.
The iBook is still better than any Winblowz machine ever could be.

-Brian
 
battery solution

i just took the battery out of my ibook, and realised that it appears that the glue they used to glue the white finished plastic to the battery itself is comming loose from the battery making it appear that the battery is not sitting flush w/ the ibook.

-Brian
 
This may be a silly solution, but with my G4 iBook, I just bought the Apple USB keyboard & mouse, so I don't ever actually have to touch the iBook.

I figure the less I touch it, the less likely it is to fall apart. Added benefit is that my iBook will stay white for a long time.

& yes, the left corner of mine does squeak, but that doesn't bother me.
 
Originally posted by switcher22
I just got a 14" iBook and my battery is almost perfectly flush and certainly doesn't bother me and the left side of my case is super solid even though I did upgrade to a 60 GB HD.

The only thing I'm having an issue with is the lower right corner of my keyboard seems to creek a bit when I type, specifically on the right arrow button.

has anybody else had this happen?

Mine does. The lower right corner of the hand rest is a little bit loose as well. My battery is also a little out of whack. After I finish calibrating the battery (I got the computer less than an hour ago and – guess what? – the corner is clicking). I'll take the battery out and see if I can reseat it correctly before plugging it back into the wall.

I don't think that these are too nitpicky of details to complain about. $1100 is a lot of money for me, and there is no reason that I should expect or accept the product to be anything less than perfect. I shouldn't have to expect a sub-standard product simply because I didn't buy from the "professional" product line.
 
Originally posted by blue&whiteman
this is why I have not owned a laptop since the 540 in 96. too many little things to go wrong.
I have a 540c. The bezzle underneath the display is pretty good at falling off after a few years :D

I have/had a 500Mhz iBook (very 1st revision) and it had similar problems. A lot of creaking (especially the hinge - sounds like a frickin haunted house when I open it) same as my 800Mhz iBook now. I didn't pay a that much for mine, so I wasn't that pissed. The paint coming off my TiBook - that's a different story. Someone here said no one complained about the TiBooks...check again, there are plenty of complaints.

If anything, I've noticed that the older white iBooks were more rugged than the newer ones; what's with all these people having their logic boards replaced 2 or 3 times ??? That would piss me off WAY more than creaking.

I have a VAIO laptop and the whole thing WARPED - as in it wouldn't sit on a table flat without rattling until I bent it back into shape. Anyone have that problem before?

As always, play with a display model. Go nuts on it: squeeze it, do whatever, then decide.
 
I think as laptops nowadays go down in cost and get thiner and thiner, they also get much cheaper. It seems like smaller they get, the more things that are likely to go wrong with them.
 
Originally posted by wolverine
Yep, I've got this problem too...

Wolverine

Who says that it's a problem? It's just a button, when you press around it the plastic around it moves down, it pushes the button down. It don't think that this would affect anyone unless they put about 15 pounds of pressure right next to the trackpad button when they typed. I don't mean to get people angry, but I really don't think that endlessly posting your problems here is going to solve anything. Call Apple, if they won't fix it, then just deal with it. If it's that important to you then build your own case.
 
ENOUGH WITH THE THINNESS ...

Originally posted by latergator116
I think as laptops nowadays go down in cost and get thiner and thiner, they also get much cheaper. It seems like smaller they get, the more things that are likely to go wrong with them.

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There seems to be something unhealthy with the "thinness" mania.

What is it really about ?

Cyber-bulemia ?

When a laptop shows image distortions at the mere touch of the opposite side of the lid, then
we have carried thinnes too far.

All of these structural/functional flaws probably stem from a too flimsy frame.

---gooddog
 
well, as the laptop gets thinner, so do the parts inside of them. Thats why laptop hard drives are a lot less reliable than desktop hard drives. Also, the frames get cheaper. for example, the iBook uses a cheap magnesium frame which I can assure you is very thin
 
My 12" iBook G4 isn't that bad...but the left hand rest does move up if I pull it up. On my 12" pBook, the plastic and metal combination around the screen are coming apart....it is about 1 year old. Just minor cosmetic things...but annoying. It is just weird. The TiBook used to seem perfect and all of the plastic pBooks (pismo etc) were perfect. It seems apple is trying to use materials now that don't work well together ie rubber, plastic, metal etc.
 
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