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One important question still remains to be answered: What graphic chips will the new models have?

All in all, it's a nice update but there are still two negative points:

30 GB HD on 12" iBook (why can't they throw in a 40 GB disk?)
no BT built in on iBooks.

As for those who can't understand why Apple doesn't put a 1.25 GHz processor into the 12" iBook. It's quite simple, running at 1.25 GHz, the iBook's performance would be too close to the 12" PBs performance and would therefore hurt sales of the PB. Secondly, but this is only speculation, there is a significant difference between the iBooks and the PBs. Because of the alu case, the PB has a better heat disipation than the iBooks. So, a 1.25 GHz might be too hot for the iBook, too.
 
To be honest...

I would not mind horribly if the PB was a little thicker to accomodateheat issues if they would just put in a G5. An acceptable sacrifice for superior performance. They did it with the first gen g5 towers. That heat sink must break some size record.

The iBook should be the G4 1.3 & 1.5 and PB's should be 1 & 1.3 Ghz G5. does that sound bad?
 
mateybob said:
this update leaves apple completely uncompetetive with the pc market... for example:

apple 15" powerbook

1.33GHz /256MB DDR/60GB/DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo drive/Gig Enet/56K/Bluetooth/AirPort Extreme

price AUS$3499 (assuming prices stay the same - which it seems they will)
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Apple Australia is notorious for pricing issues, it would seem. They're not a good comparison.

lg ls50-1 15" laptop

1.4ghz centrino/256MB DDR/40GB/DVD-ROM/CD-RW/Enet/56k/(11b standard)

price AUS$1999 (http://cworld.com.au/)
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Integrated graphics on the Centrino, no gigabit ethernet, no OS X, no iLife, a processor that may or may not be better (depending on task), and very little information available on the company's site. All in all, I'm not impressed, and it looks like you get what you pay for.

im sorry but theres now way to justify AUS$1500 price difference... and dont talk to me about "build quality" because ive owned 3 mac and 3 pcs and i had to replace 3cd drives, 2 keyboards and a mouse on the macs and never had anything break on the pcs... (except windows which was just broken to start with ;p)
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The only keyboard problem I ever had was my fault - I spilled something on it. The rest of my hardware issues have been ridiculously minor and after many years of use.

what apple should have done was update PRICES not useless specs...
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Maybe they can't really bump the prices all that much, so they instead followed the standard computer industry practice of offering newer machines with more advanced parts, while keeping prices about the same.
 
Highest res on a laptop

Spade was saying the highest res he has seen on a laptop is 1280x1024. That's ancient. For the last three years I've seen 17" and even 15" with 1600x1200. If you want to see some really sexy non-Mac laptops (gasp!-do such things exist?!) check out:

http://www.go-l.com/laptops/index.htm

The 15" New Yorker that model that is about to be released is going to have a maximum 1920x1200 resolution. Ouch.
 
iLilana said:
I would not mind horribly if the PB was a little thicker to accomodateheat issues if they would just put in a G5. An acceptable sacrifice for superior performance. They did it with the first gen g5 towers. That heat sink must break some size record.

The iBook should be the G4 1.3 & 1.5 and PB's should be 1 & 1.3 Ghz G5. does that sound bad?
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yes great idea.. if you want your laptops to be g5 tower sized :rolleyes:

why would you want those clock speeds in an ibook? so you can have less battery life with no noticable performance increase?

clock speed is the LEAST IMPORTANT SPEC... i wish the public would start realising it... all the manafacturers do but of course they still have to accomodate for the 99% of the market you will buy whatever has the most mhz or go out of business...
 
QCassidy352 said:
a) the 12" may not be able to have a backlit keyboard because of space issues. If you wan a tiny notebook, you have to make sacrifices.

b) it's quite likely that a 1.3-1.5 Ghz G4 could not feed a 128 MB graphics card anyway. You'd be paying for a card that you couldn't really use, just so you could say you had it.

c) 200-250 mhz per notebook is pretty good. 25% for the ibooks, 33% for the low end PBs, 20% for the high end powerbooks? That's a problem? :rolleyes:
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a) But I wantoo... but, but... I wantoo :D

b) As someone pointed out, processor speed has little to do with the graphics card. And it's a powerbook for crying out loud, it should have the best card available.

c) Is it really going to make a difference to a lot of people? No. It isn't. To some that do photo editing etc. it will, but to others?

Now if they would drop the price by about a hundred $ per book... that would be a worthy upgrade.

Besides, how hot is the 12" pb going to be? :eek: It is a freaking oven at 1Ghz already... and now at 1.3? Sheesh, I will be able to get rid of my stove if I buy one I guess. :D
 
Don't get it...

So...what's the big frickin' deal? Is the G4 FSB still pinned at 167Mhz? If so, this exceedingly incremental increase in speed is even less than what it looks like. I suppose the adjustable clock speed will help mitigate the excess battery suck and heat dissipation, but if people think they're getting 20% more speed out of these, dream on. It's cripple-ware, I'm afraid, given the architecture.

Damn, I was hoping for a G5 in a PB, and maybe a 750vx in and iBook. Perhaps, as some have suggested, the former won't make it's way to us until xmas, and the latter maybe never. Makes me wonder...once the PB goes G5 (hopefully before the end of this year), what will there be left for the iBook? The 1.5Mhz G4? Bleh.
 
thatwendigo said:
Integrated graphics on the Centrino, no gigabit ethernet, no OS X, no iLife, a processor that may or may not be better (depending on task), and very little information available on the company's site. All in all, I'm not impressed, and it looks like you get what you pay for.
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obviously the powerbook is a slightly superior machine... but i mean ill take $AUS1500 over osx, ilife and gb ethernet anyday... even if i went to america and to buy a powerbook the difference is somethink like AUS$700 (although i admit thats verging on reasonable pricing)...
i have a friend who bought that exact lg model last month its a quality machine...
 
sad then...

nsb3000 said:
One thing that is cool ( Assuming Arn's specs are right) is that Airport is now standard on All powerbooks. It is one more thing to separate them from the ibooks...
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Yeah, I guess that is nice to have one more difference, but it would be even nicer if the difference between the pro and consumer laptop line was as dramatic as it is in the desktop line. I mean, a Powermac G5 is vastly superior to an iMac or eMac, but a Powerbook G4 is only slightly superior to an iBook G4. In my opinion the only reason to go for the Powerbook is the wide screen. Otherwise, they are just over-priced iBooks dressed in Aluminum. Kind of sad. :(


edit: punctuation
 
Definitely partly wrong. Apple never ever would ship 12"-PowerBooks with an old Airport Slot again.
 
Compare the two

AndrewMT said:
It looks like a PB clone experiment gone wrong that is kept in the attic on a diet of fish heads. The keyboard and speaker layout is the same, and yes the laptop is a rectangle, but that is where the similarities end.

Sorry I'm off topic guys but this guy said I wasn't being honest. To be honest, you need your vision checked.
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My vision is fine, thank you. Here are the two to compare.
 

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psylance said:
Spade was saying the highest res he has seen on a laptop is 1280x1024. That's ancient. For the last three years I've seen 17" and even 15" with 1600x1200. If you want to see some really sexy non-Mac laptops (gasp!-do such things exist?!) check out:

http://www.go-l.com/laptops/index.htm

The 15" New Yorker that model that is about to be released is going to have a maximum 1920x1200 resolution. Ouch.
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Personally, I like the cabriolet that's coming out, with the screen you can move like some PDA's. I'm still holding out for a pb, though. I want the G5, I do (sorry to all who are sick of hearing that), but I think I'm going to go with this new G4
 
PowerBook G4 (12.1"TFT/1.33GHz/512K L2 /256MB/60GB/DVD-R/CD-RW SuperDrive/Enet/56K/AirPort/Bluetooth)
PowerBook G4 (15.2"TFT/1.33GHz /256MB/60GB/DVD-ROM/CD-RW Combo drive/Gig Enet/56K/Bluetooth/AirPort Extreme)
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According to the rumor they would ship again old Airport-cards/slots for 12". I don't think so.

I didn't expected more, since I didn't expected a PowerBook G5. I think we will see it this summer-fall.
 
Wuddel said:
According to the rumor they would ship again old Airport-cards/slots for 12". I don't think so.

I didn't expected more, since I didn't expected a PowerBook G5. I think we will see it this summer-fall.
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Ah, sorry didn't see that. I think that's a mistake though, you're right.
 
thatwendigo said:
Ewww.

They're on PC2100 RAM, 2x DVD-Rs, and they run XP Home. No thanks.

Not to mention ugly!
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yeah, the best pc laptops are ibms, second to none. check out the t41p. nice, but expensive

btw, isnt ddr on g4s more of a marketing gimmick?
 
wait, so Airport Extreme is going to be built into the new Powerbooks? If so, that would essentially be a $100 price drop for most people.
 
psylance said:
check out:

http://www.go-l.com/laptops/index.htm
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Heh, and while you're there, you can check out their Producer model, which, among other dubious specs, sports the capability for a supposed 4 internal hard drives. In a laptop.

Liebermann is bunk. At best, they're rebadged, rebranded knockoffs of other products (Sager notebooks, etc...). At worst, their specs and product descriptions are completely fabricated. Their website design style is pretty nice, though...heh, however...I think I may have seen it somewhere before.
 
what if they made a powerbook g5 and priced it at 10 thosand dollars... that would be cool... how many would they sell?

ibooks are very attractive for the price....
 
VicMacs said:
what if they made a powerbook g5 and priced it at 10 thosand dollars... that would be cool... how many would they sell?

ibooks are very attractive for the price....
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whats so cool about suicide?
 
aftk2 said:
Heh, and while you're there, you can check out their Producer model, which, among other dubious specs, sports the capability for a supposed 4 internal hard drives. In a laptop.

Liebermann is bunk. At best, they're rebadged, rebranded knockoffs of other products (Sager notebooks, etc...). At worst, their specs and product descriptions are completely fabricated. Their website design style is pretty nice, though...heh, however...I think I may have seen it somewhere before.
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holy that site looks likes apples :eek: apple must sue them now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p
 
iLilana said:
I thought Panther was 64 bit.
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Unfortunately it is not. Panther is still 32-bit operating system. However it has some 64-bit extension code in its math libraries for G5 CPU optimisations.
If Panther was pure 64-bit OS,you d be able to run it only on G5. :)
 
Gyroscope said:
Unfortunately it is not. Panther is still 32-bit operating system. However it has some 64-bit extension code in its math libraries for G5 CPU optimisations.
If Panther was pure 64-bit OS,you d be able to run it only on G5. :)
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We won't see a 64bit OS until we see G5's across the entire range of Macs.
Which mean it will be around 2006 before that happens.
 
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