Yeah, it would make sense for PowerBook updates, especially to the 12"er, but there doesn't appear anywhere for them to go. That's what originally made me sceptical of this update..MacSA said:
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If I remember correctly, within a few hours of each other.
US store still online. Don't expect much to happen till that one goes.
As I said before, it will go down, just give it time. For some reason the European ones tend to go down (and stay down) first...iJoe said:
Yes, but one of its biggest selling points is its small and compact size. Then there's the 10" ultra-portable rumours, but I doubt that's Apple's style.aswitcher said:
johnnyjibbs said:
They could really surprise us with a 10" iBook - really light for kiddies to take to school
eBook as someone suggested...johnnyjibbs said:
Probably with the amount of people on it, they're thinking 'wow, the store is busy... Best not disturb all those shoppers, Steve wouldn't be pleased'.
It's about 5 AM in Cupertino right now, and the US Apple store is still up.
That being said, I'd like to go back to a few things that people have said so far on this thread, but it would take too long to name each and every one when replying. I'm breaking tradition and just throwing out a list, rather than addressing individuals.
1) OMG teh powerbokz ned 2 be G5!1!!11one! - While numerous people seem to think that the PowerBook is in need of a chip Apple can barely shoehorn into a much larger enclosure, those of us who grasp the basics of system design have high hopes of the MPC8461D. I don't think it'll show in the next revisions of either of the 'books, but it wouldn't at all surprise me to see the iBooks get a speed bump (in the 1.3-1.5ghz range), followed by the PowerBooks with a jump to the new MPC7448 core, which runs a mere 10 watts at 1.8ghz. Yes, that's right. It's a 300mhz jump with a loss of heat. Then, when the dual-cores are available, Apple can move the pin-compatible 7448 down to the iBook and plop the MPC8461D in the PowerBooks (where it will slaughter a crippled G5). Please don't bring up PowerTune, as it only does anything when the system isn't running, which makes it useless in the "professional" arguments that typically crop up.
2) Airport Standard vs. Optional - Apple is pushing pretty hard on the wireless front, and they've been building steam with it ever since they first included the iPod. Now, with Airport Express as a pocket access point, signal repeater, audio link, and all-round neat device, I could see a serious attempt to push 802.11g into the consumer space. Supposedly Intel will be pushing 802.11g in the Sonoma chipset that's due out in Q1 2005, and the Centrino platform has always been about the Penitum M being wedded to a wireless bridge. Apple's not stupid.
3) Graphics Cards - In mobile platforms, heat is at a premium. There aren't any laptops in the iBook's price range that come from major manufacturers, while also offering the same features. They're just not intended for running Apple's pro apps, though, and expecting the iBook to run motion is kind of silly. People complain that they're not priced low enough for consumers, then turn around and offer criticism about not being able to run the high-end software. Well... Make your minds up!
That being said, I'd like to go back to a few things that people have said so far on this thread, but it would take too long to name each and every one when replying. I'm breaking tradition and just throwing out a list, rather than addressing individuals.
1) OMG teh powerbokz ned 2 be G5!1!!11one! - While numerous people seem to think that the PowerBook is in need of a chip Apple can barely shoehorn into a much larger enclosure, those of us who grasp the basics of system design have high hopes of the MPC8461D. I don't think it'll show in the next revisions of either of the 'books, but it wouldn't at all surprise me to see the iBooks get a speed bump (in the 1.3-1.5ghz range), followed by the PowerBooks with a jump to the new MPC7448 core, which runs a mere 10 watts at 1.8ghz. Yes, that's right. It's a 300mhz jump with a loss of heat. Then, when the dual-cores are available, Apple can move the pin-compatible 7448 down to the iBook and plop the MPC8461D in the PowerBooks (where it will slaughter a crippled G5). Please don't bring up PowerTune, as it only does anything when the system isn't running, which makes it useless in the "professional" arguments that typically crop up.
2) Airport Standard vs. Optional - Apple is pushing pretty hard on the wireless front, and they've been building steam with it ever since they first included the iPod. Now, with Airport Express as a pocket access point, signal repeater, audio link, and all-round neat device, I could see a serious attempt to push 802.11g into the consumer space. Supposedly Intel will be pushing 802.11g in the Sonoma chipset that's due out in Q1 2005, and the Centrino platform has always been about the Penitum M being wedded to a wireless bridge. Apple's not stupid.
3) Graphics Cards - In mobile platforms, heat is at a premium. There aren't any laptops in the iBook's price range that come from major manufacturers, while also offering the same features. They're just not intended for running Apple's pro apps, though, and expecting the iBook to run motion is kind of silly. People complain that they're not priced low enough for consumers, then turn around and offer criticism about not being able to run the high-end software. Well... Make your minds up!
Stores that are currently down, as of 5 AM, PST:
Australia
France
Ireland
Belgium
Spain
Britain
Austria
Germany
Denmark
The Netherlands
Italy
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Hong Kong
Jopan
Singapore
Still up:
Korea
United States
Canada
Australia
France
Ireland
Belgium
Spain
Britain
Austria
Germany
Denmark
The Netherlands
Italy
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Hong Kong
Jopan
Singapore
Still up:
Korea
United States
Canada
I just got home and immediately checked the Swiss store. I was delighted to see that it was already down, cool.
Call me crazy, but I'm still thinking there's a possibility of Powerbook updates today. I ordered a 12" PB last Wednesday and it said it would be shipped same business day, but as of yesterday, three and a half business days later, it hadn't shipped, and the date it was expected to ship by was today, the day all these products would supposedly be announced. And right now the order status page is conveniently down for maintenance, has been since yesterday evening.
But the most obvious thing is that if you look at the buyer's guide, you'll see that in every example listed, the PowerBook upgrade paved the way for the iBook upgrade, and never the reverse. In a few cases they were announced on the same day. To update the iBooks first would be to shoot themselves in the foot as everyone knows, and make channel inventory bloated and therefore delay the possible introduction of a PB update as well as decreasing profit margins. It's not as if the iBook line has declining sales, they could delay its update as long as they felt necessary if they needed to. Christmas is still two months off and MWSF is after the big shopping season.
Freescale's new single-core G4 chips may not be ready for primetime yet, but the rumor mill hasn't said anything about dual-core's status. I would guess that Apple will stick dual-core G4 chips in the high-end PowerBooks and put the 1.5GHz chip from their top of the line into the bottom. Or at least update the top a few hundred MHz, which wouldn't necessarily require new chip architecture. They're likely to bump the GPUs up too so that they can put the CoreImage-compliant Radeon 5200 in the iBooks and still have differentiation between the families.
But the most obvious thing is that if you look at the buyer's guide, you'll see that in every example listed, the PowerBook upgrade paved the way for the iBook upgrade, and never the reverse. In a few cases they were announced on the same day. To update the iBooks first would be to shoot themselves in the foot as everyone knows, and make channel inventory bloated and therefore delay the possible introduction of a PB update as well as decreasing profit margins. It's not as if the iBook line has declining sales, they could delay its update as long as they felt necessary if they needed to. Christmas is still two months off and MWSF is after the big shopping season.
Freescale's new single-core G4 chips may not be ready for primetime yet, but the rumor mill hasn't said anything about dual-core's status. I would guess that Apple will stick dual-core G4 chips in the high-end PowerBooks and put the 1.5GHz chip from their top of the line into the bottom. Or at least update the top a few hundred MHz, which wouldn't necessarily require new chip architecture. They're likely to bump the GPUs up too so that they can put the CoreImage-compliant Radeon 5200 in the iBooks and still have differentiation between the families.
I just went the the candian store, it was fine, I was like, hmmm maybe the rumors are wrong, then i went back a minute later
it was down.
it was down.
The Dutch store is offline now as well
We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.
whippie, i just sold my imac fp 700mhz and i am really REALLY in for something new. im hoping for a cheap emac g5 solution
whiewhie, i should be working right now but i havent done much more then reading the forum and the news today
im so excited, i just cant hide it.. iwant iwant I WANT YOU!!!
We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.We are busy updating the store for you and will be back within the hour.
whippie, i just sold my imac fp 700mhz and i am really REALLY in for something new. im hoping for a cheap emac g5 solution
whiewhie, i should be working right now but i havent done much more then reading the forum and the news today
im so excited, i just cant hide it.. iwant iwant I WANT YOU!!!
oef nearly can't stand the tention!
Really I am hoping for more then a 12" 1.2 ghz iBook ! Sold mine in time; three days ago !! bought a Imac G5 17" fo the time being ! but now if the new iBook comes.... Want that one again !!
Really I am hoping for more then a 12" 1.2 ghz iBook ! Sold mine in time; three days ago !! bought a Imac G5 17" fo the time being ! but now if the new iBook comes.... Want that one again !!