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Free speech? Aiding and abetting criminal activity at the federal level should be a federal crime. And be rewarded with Federal PMITA prison time.
Would you agree that there might be legitimate uses of an app like this? I might want to avoid areas where there is active ICE operations as there could be shots fired or other disruptions. Given the random way they grab people off the street it might save US citizens and legal immigrants some grief by avoiding areas of ICE activity.
 
Really? Bigger than the FBI colluding with Facebook and Twitter to suppress "troublesome" content and commenters in 2020 (e.g., Hunter Biden laptop story, COVID lab leak discussions, deplatforming conservatives, and so on)?

Yes, because every company involved said they didn't feel pressured by the government to do anything and were just implementing their own policies. Also, last I checked Trump was president in 2020.

But even granting your right-wing fever dream, shouldn't this outrage you just as much?
 
So you are telling me you wasted your time, money, and life to defend illegal immigration and you didnt even get paid for it. lmao
What a stupid take. Seriously. Both your posts.

The great thing about the US is that it is not (yet) a police state. That means people (yes, all people, bot just citizens) have rights, including due process. And most importantly, law enforcement does not have unlimited power.

Those rights include free speech, which absolutely and necessarily includes the ability to share information about law enforcement activities without state interference. More importantly, due process dictates that law enforcement cannot simply go around snatching people off the street at the mere accusation of having committed some offense.

And the reason these rights apply to everyone? Because if they don't, then the mere accusation of someone not being a legal resident is sufficient to strip them of their rights, including the due process rights that would allow them to prove otherwise.

That's what these protests are defending. Your right to go about your day without being swept up and whisked off to some unnamed detention center — or worse — because you happened to be in the wrong place or look the wrong way.

But of course people like you both believe that you could never wind up being the target and simultaneously lack the basic empathy required to understand that even if you want to remove unauthorized immigrants (something, by the way, even Democratic administrations have done in quite large numbers), you do not do it by turning American cities into a war zone.

Yes, with helicopters, tear gas, flash bangs, and all. As if that's a remotely reasonable response to the idea that a protestor here or there might throw something at you.
 
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This is America, last I checked (and as people such as yourself are so fond of screaming).



No. No it absolutely is not.
Im an immigrant who fled from Saddam from Iraq. Im not screaming anything other then its not that hard to follow to the law and come in legally. I have no sympathy for those who wish to break the law to break into a very welcoming country.

Again the app is called ICE BLOCK, the fact that you wont even address the point that ITS STATED AND INTENDED PURPOSE to prevent ICE From doing its job, which clearly is an obstruction of justice. If I made an app called "PEDO PROTECT" that warns pedos of impending FBI raids for the child porn stash would you still be trying to bend and twist to make this a 1st amendment case. No, you would rightly say this app has no business being on the app store.
 
ICE operations can endanger the general public. Have you seen videos of some of their operations? Would you agree that the public has a right to know where they are operating so they can avoid those areas and be safe? It is a safety issue.
The public doesn't have a right to know where ICE is operating. Does the cop tell you where he is sitting for a speed trap?
 
What a stupid take. Seriously. Both your posts.

The great thing about the US is that it is not (yet) a police state. That means people (yes, all people, bot just citizens) have rights, including due process. And most importantly, law enforcement does not have unlimited power.

Those rights include free speech, which absolutely and necessarily includes the ability to share information about law enforcement activities without state interference. More importantly, due process dictates that law enforcement cannot simply go around snatching people off the street at the mere accusation of having committed some offense.

And the reason these rights apply to everyone? Because if they don't, then the mere accusation of someone not being a legal resident is sufficient to strip them of their rights, including the due process rights that would allow them to prove otherwise.

That's what these protests are defending. Your right to go about your day without being swept up and whisked off to some unnamed detention center — or worse — because you happened to be in the wrong place or look the wrong way.

But of course people like you both believe that you could never wind up being the target and simultaneously lack the basic empathy required to understand that even if you want to remove unauthorized immigrants (something, by the way, even Democratic administrations have done in quite large numbers), you simply do not do it the way ICE is now operating.
"SHOW US HOW THIS APP WAS USED TO HURT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS"

*shows videos*

"WHAT A STUPID TAKE"

Brilliant post friend. Also I dont understand the insistence of mentioning democrats, republicans or trump. Illegal immigration up until 2016 was a strongly bipartisan issue and it is the natural human state to not want everyone to enter your country to soak up all of your social services. Nazi Germany and the Communists both had very strict immigration laws. It isnt a right or left issue. Its the reality of "if you provide social services you need to limit who can get them or nobody will effectively have access to them"
 
Would you agree that there might be legitimate uses of an app like this? I might want to avoid areas where there is active ICE operations as there could be shots fired or other disruptions. Given the random way they grab people off the street it might save US citizens and legal immigrants some grief by avoiding areas of ICE activity.
Avoid Chicago, California, NY, Portland and basically every blue state! Problem solved.
 
The public doesn't have a right to know where ICE is operating. Does the cop tell you where he is sitting for a speed trap?

My brother is a police/patrol officer and he will routinely mark himself in Waze when parked and radaring. Anything to slow people down is his rationale.

If you’re in public, the public has a right to announce your presence. It doesn’t matter who you are, or what you are doing, or why you are doing it.
 
My brother is a police/patrol officer. He will commonly mark himself in Waze.

Anything to slow people down is his rationale.
Does your brother post his location before he does a drug raid or executes a warrant. If not then the comparison is not relevant to the discussion. The only relevant comparison would be him telling people at a border crossing that a dog will be used so they dump their drugs before coming in.
 
Does your brother post his location before he does a drug raid or executes a warrant. If not then the comparison is not relevant to the discussion. The only relevant comparison would be him telling people at a border crossing that a dog will be used so they dump their drugs before coming in.

No, but if the neighbors see them executing a warrant, they can post it on Facebook, or Nextdoor, or text everyone in the neighborhood.
 
Im an immigrant who fled from Saddam from Iraq. Im not screaming anything other then its not that hard to follow to the law and come in legally. I have no sympathy for those who wish to break the law to break into a very welcoming country.

Again the app is called ICE BLOCK, the fact that you wont even address the point that ITS STATED AND INTENDED PURPOSE to prevent ICE From doing its job, which clearly is an obstruction of justice. If I made an app called "PEDO PROTECT" that warns pedos of impending FBI raids for the child porn stash would you still be trying to bend and twist to make this a 1st amendment case. No, you would rightly say this app has no business being on the app store.

Actually its "stated and intended purpose" is to "allow users to report Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) activity." That's all. In other words, pure speech that's fully protected by the First Amendment.

If you wanted to make that app it would be 100% legal so long as you were simply reporting FBI agents you see on the street. And yes, I would defend your First Amendment right to do so.
 
"SHOW US HOW THIS APP WAS USED TO HURT LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS"

*shows videos*

"WHAT A STUPID TAKE"

Brilliant post friend. Also I dont understand the insistence of mentioning democrats, republicans or trump. Illegal immigration up until 2016 was a strongly bipartisan issue and it is the natural human state to not want everyone to enter your country to soak up all of your social services. Nazi Germany and the Communists both had very strict immigration laws. It isnt a right or left issue. Its the reality of "if you provide social services you need to limit who can get them or nobody will effectively have access to them"
No, you don't understand. And you're disingenuously mixing up your two posts to muddle the discussion.

And by the way, no you didn't show that this app was used to target anyone. You showed a few isolated incidents of people responding to claimed "law enforcement" offers acting as unaccountable thugs. Might as well post a video of highway patrol being sideswiped by a driver and claim that's justification to remove every major mapping app which shows police locations.

Not that even a few cases where it was demonstrably shown this app was used in such a manner would be justification for its removal. We don't ban Facebook because a few people might occasionally use it to plan a crime.

But regardless, why don't you try reading the rest of the posts your responding to. You might actually learn something, rather than posting authoritarian, not even wrong BS as fact.

If you can't see how changes in immigration policy implementation in 2017 and now again in 2025 polarize the issue, then you're really not trying.
 
Im an immigrant who fled from Saddam from Iraq. Im not screaming anything other then its not that hard to follow to the law and come in legally. I have no sympathy for those who wish to break the law to break into a very welcoming country.

ah, the good immigrant living the american dream. I'm sure the US 'followed the law' and bombed Iraq legally. oh...

If I made an app called "PEDO PROTECT" that warns pedos of impending FBI raids for the child porn stash

lazy strawman non-argument, unless trying to avoid being deported without due proces is also a federal offence.
 
Does your brother post his location before he does a drug raid or executes a warrant. If not then the comparison is not relevant to the discussion. The only relevant comparison would be him telling people at a border crossing that a dog will be used so they dump their drugs before coming in.
This is such a mischaracterization of the way ICE is operating, it's difficult to even know where to begin. And that's the problem here.

On the one hand, you have protestors just saying, "Hey, if you want to remove immigrants who aren't here legally, at least do so humanely and don't turn our streets into a literal war zone — helicopters, grenades, and all". And then in response, you have people trying to claim, completely incorrectly, that there are widespread violent protests against ICE officers just trying to do their job. And for that matter, that anyone who thinks ICE behavior is a problem just wants to allow unfettered open borders with no immigration enforcement.

You know what, when people come into your neighborhood acting like masked thugs, pulling people off the street without even bothering to properly identify them, you're going to get a few violent responses from citizens. The only place you aren't going to get that response is in an authoritarian society where protections from law enforcement are nonexistent and the citizenry is already traumatized into submission.

The proper response to what ICE is doing and the frankly extremely limited violence we've seen in response is to figure out how to reign ICE in so they can maybe do their job without intentionally traumatizing people — citizens included — and, for that matter, exploiting every legal loophole to go after even immigrants who are trying to follow legal processes. There is never a circumstance under which the correct response to clear government abuse is to remove constitutional protections.
 
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Going by your logic then the swat team should announce their location as well and let all warrant wanted criminals run free!
It is absolutely legal, protected speech for an onlooker observing SWAT activity to share and report on that activity.

And based on the way you disingenuously twisted the post you're responded to into something absurd — a SWAT team announcing their own activity — you clearly know that.

So why are you here? What do you get out of being an apologist for unnecessary, indefensible, government-inflicted violence?
 
This is such a mischaracterization of the way ICE is operating, it's difficult to even know where to begin. And that's the problem here.

On the one hand, you have protestors just saying, "Hey, if you want to remove immigrants who aren't here legally, at least do so humanely and don't turn our streets into a literal war zone — helicopters, grenades, and all". And then in response, you have people trying to claim, completely incorrectly, that there are widespread violent protests against ICE officers just trying to do their job. And for that matter, that anyone who thinks ICE behavior is a problem just wants to allow unfettered open borders with no immigration enforcement.

You know what, when people come into your neighborhood acting like masked thugs, pulling people off the street without even bothering to properly identify them, you're going to get a few violent responses from citizens. The only place you aren't going to get that response is in an authoritarian society where protections from law enforcement are nonexistent and the citizenry is already traumatized into submission.

The proper response to what ICE is going and the frankly extremely limited violence we've seen in response is to figure out how to reign ICE in so they can maybe do their job without intentionally traumatizing people — citizens included — and, for that matter, exploiting every legal loophole to go after even immigrants who are trying to follow legal processes. There is never a circumstance under which the correct response to clear government abuse is to remove constitutional protections.
What's difficult to understand? ICE operates throughout the US! The illegal criminals don't announce I'm going to stab someone on a subway yet it happens due to soft social justice judges.
 
It is absolutely legal, protected speech for an onlooker observing SWAT activity to share and report on that activity.

And based on the way you disingenuously twisted the post you're responded to into something absurd — a SWAT team announcing their own activity — you clearly know that.

So why are you here? What do you get out of being an apologist for unnecessary, indefensible, government-inflicted violence?
It's also possible for police to arrest that onlooker for obstructing law enforcement matters!
 
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