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iChat AV for Jaguar Discontinued

VicMacs said:
and 600kb is enough for anybody's lifetime...
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Actually, I can see where's he coming from with that idea. Panther is really a complete OS, more so than Jaguar et al. However, it's obviously going to be less 'heavy' than Tiger (with Dashboard, Spotlight, and numerous architecture layer add-ons). Therefore, Panther was perfect for older Macs, like the Pismo, iMac G3s, iBook G3s, etc.

I'm going to buy Tiger for my new eMac, but I highly doubt I will install it on my Pismo. It's not about obsolescence, it's just about getting the best performance without bogging your machine down. I'm all for Tiger, and I think it's going to be one of the most exciting releases, but I know that a whole lot more layers are going to be added on to this onion.
 
varmit said:
Yeah, i don't know why anyone would want to pay 30 bucks for it, when just a little more, you get the whole OS.
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If 100 is just a little more, can you give me just a little bit of money?
 
Will Tiger have this integrated into it or will apple be cleaning out the closet making room for tiger version of this software? Hmmm i was even tempted to get this but now i am a little scared to. :(
 
ijimk said:
Will Tiger have this integrated into it or will apple be cleaning out the closet making room for tiger version of this software? Hmmm i was even tempted to get this but now i am a little scared to. :(
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what do you mean? not getting tiger for your g5? I think that would be rather foolish.. but because I didn't get your point I'm not gonna preach more about this. besides, i should be sleeping already
 
This is fine with me. It's time to move on...Good move Apple.

Of course this could mean..maybe...That the next version of iChat will be available for Jaguar. Who knows..I guess we'll see...
 
jet3004 said:
This is fine with me. It's time to move on...Good move Apple.

Of course this could mean..maybe...That the next version of iChat will be available for Jaguar. Who knows..I guess we'll see...
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My guess is that the reason for the discontinuation is to make room for development of the Tiger version of iChat. After all, Apple doesn't have unlimited developers or time - I'm sure they switched the iChat AV Jaguar team over to something more current, such as iChat AV for Tiger.
 
I agree with all those who think that iChat AV for Jaguar (and the developers might have moved to work on the new version for Tiger) is discontinued so Apple can focus on the version being included in Tiger (10.4). This is very similar to Safari in my view-the first releases supported Jaguar, and more recent versions only support Panther, and also Apple may not backport say features from either the Safari RSS/iChat AV ( perhaps version 3.0 for Tiger?) to Panther or Jaguar.
 
Doctor Q said:
I don't see why they didn't let the Jaguar version remain unchanged and available, for a price, even as they improve it and create new versions for Panther and Tiger. There is a cost to stocking it in the brick and mortar stores, but very little to keep it available (maybe just for download, not boxed) online.

Sometimes a discontinued product version turns free (all but the latest versions of Mac OS 7 eventually did), but Apple has not done that often, and making iChat AV free for Panther would have angered those who paid for it.

I conclude that they are doing this to nudge people further toward Panther and Tiger.
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Steve Jobs will probably say at the MWSF keynote that the new iChat AV codec is so crackin' good it only works with Panther and Tiger. And I suspect that would be partly true; Apple wants to move users forward, but it also wants to have its apps work as sharply as possible.

I would LOVE to see a Windows 2000/XP version or compatibility with one or more of the other chat apps. Windows users are a big market for iSight, and it's another good entre into the Apple universe.
 
I still run Jaguar on my iMac. It is a great OS. Plus, Panther wasn't too exciting (Expose was the only real new feature that was neat). And there were all sorts of nasty things going on: FW 800 drives being wiped, some networking stuff, etc. And if FW800 had a problem, FW400 might have one too. In any case, when all the bugs were ironed out of Panther I watched the keynote on Tiger and thought "spend 180 to get the family pack for something that will be obsolete in a year...or wait it out for that year to spend 180 to get something that Apple says will be the last major release for a while..."

Also, iChat AV was something that I never needed. The audio stuff is great, but it dosn't work with those WinTels...at least, I've never been able to get it to work. So I say kudos to Apple for ditching iChat AV for Jaguar, it wasn't needed.
 
må¥å said:
By The Way I don't see Apple porting any more applications to windows, since Longhorn doesn't have a set release date and it keeps changing, Apple would be foolish to invest in developing other application other than iTunes for Windows, too expensive to support, if iChat and iSight seems like a profitable market on the x86 side, they might consider it. However its a slim chance.
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If they release iChat for Windows, besides possibly selling more iSights, it also makes it more useful on the Mac. How many people do you know can't use it because they don't have friends with iChat or it won't work with AIM even if they have XP? Talking to 3 people at once is great if you have 3 people to talk to that can actually use this. Add Yahoo! IM support (and even MSN somehow) and you have a killer product. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice.
 
Who would really use iChat for Windows? At present iChat is very limited and needs serious work before apple could seriously consider porting it.




solvs said:
If they release iChat for Windows, besides possibly selling more iSights, it also makes it more useful on the Mac. How many people do you know can't use it because they don't have friends with iChat or it won't work with AIM even if they have XP? Talking to 3 people at once is great if you have 3 people to talk to that can actually use this. Add Yahoo! IM support (and even MSN somehow) and you have a killer product. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice.
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Sheesh. So that's your lot. One year and four months of support then get your checkbook out.

MS - the company that everyone loves to hate - was still supporting W98 last time I checked.
 
jouster said:
Sheesh. So that's your lot. One year and four months of support then get your checkbook out.

MS - the company that everyone loves to hate - was still supporting W98 last time I checked.
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MS had announced that they were going to end support for win98 back in June but decided to continue support until Jan 2005. So, my point is that even MS kills off application support after time.

http://www.windows-help.net/microsoft/98-lifecycle.html
 
iChat AV isn't the main reason to upgrade to Panther. The reason Panther is worth $129 is that in a File->Save dialog box you can click a filename to set the current filename. So pay $129 to get that worthy feature and iChat AV comes along free for the ride!
 
Macrumors said:
The online Apple Store is no longer selling iChat AV for Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar).

iChat AV, Apple's videoconferencing software designed for use with the iSight video camera, is part of Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) and was previously available for Jaguar (10.2.5 or later) for $29.95 in the online Apple Store.

Apple's iChat AV page no longer mentions the use of the software under Jaguar and the iChat AV download page states that "Mac OS X v10.3 or later" is the minimum requirement for iChat AV 2.1.

The iSight and iChat AV (as beta software) were introduced in June 2003.
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I never knew they even sold it. I thought everyone got it for free. Guess that's why they took it off...?..?
I really did not think it's something that people would pay for. Thought of it more as a program you just get with an OS. I still can't get all my mac buddies to use it. So many other ties I guess.
 
Messed up

Pretty messed up in my opinion... Apple should support all its OSs if possible, not just those with the newest of the new. Reminds me of how Apple treats older generation iPod users with firmware updates.
 
jouster said:
MS - the company that everyone loves to hate - was still supporting W98 last time I checked.
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There's a difference between support, and development. There have been recent security fixes for Jaguar as well, but the truth is that most people who use Jaguar don't need much updated. If you are talking about support, OS 9 is still technically supported. Many people still use Win9x, and still need the support. WMP 10, however, is XP only. The next version of IE is said to be Longhorn dependant. Support does not equal new software developed.

I think if there was a version of iChat for Windows, plenty of people would use it. I'm just not holding my breath.
 
Not happy

I was very disappointed to see this this morning. I was just about to buy this for my iMac at home so my family and I can iChat Av while I am working away from home, Broadband is ordered and this was next on the shopping list.

I am annoyed because I understand Panther comes on DVD discs and my iMac has a CDRW drive so I cannot install panther.

Can anyone assist / reccomend a way around this. My other computer is a new Powerbook but it will be 5 weeks before the two computers are together again so I cannot use this to do the install via it's DVD drive.

P.S. The iMac is a G3 600Mhz Blue Dalmatian.

John
 
maybe tiger wil be released dec or nov just like panther

i love ichat av, its just a shame my uni blocked it, i only get to use it when im not on campus which is rarely or when im on vacation; but when im on vacation i rarely have the need to use it since im with my friends and parents who are the people i mainly want to conference with duh
 
må¥å said:
By The Way I don't see Apple porting any more applications to windows, since Longhorn doesn't have a set release date and it keeps changing, Apple would be foolish to invest in developing other application other than iTunes for Windows, too expensive to support, if iChat and iSight seems like a profitable market on the x86 side, they might consider it. However its a slim chance.

Best thing Apple can do now is to keep up the innovation on the SW and HW side they will pull out of the dark. Even a 10-15% market share is good. As long as they remain profitable in other markets music, pro, server they should be fine. :-D
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Only way Apple is going to release Windows apps is if they can get revenue from it. Like iTunes is just a necessity to make iPod the premium choice it is. No reason so far that Apple will release neither iLife apps nor iChat AV for other platforms. They are all just a pile of reasons to buy a Mac in lieu of a regular PC - i.e. ultimate ease of use and innovation. What would be the benefit for Apple if they released iChat free of charge for Windows? They can hardly hope to be anywhere close to leading the pack in this business. Only thing I can see beneficial for Apple is if iChat got cross-protocol support on the Mac - then you needed just one im client for AIM, MSN, Yahoo etc. (like AdiumX). This would be a big selling point again for the Mac as platform - especially with the superiority you get with iChat to iChat communication.

Apple is foremost a hardware manufacturer - and they will only make apps that drives the sales of their hardware. Hence if they are to make a Windows app, it's sole intention would be to sell some piece of Apple hardware. Just like they also are doing with Final Cut, Logic and more - they are not big revenue for Apple, but they only serve to drive the interest in the platform and hardware.
So, why would Apple port Mac OS or any other apps for Windows?

Important to note also: Apple is NOT in the dark. They are doing clever business, they might even be able to increase their marketshare a percentage or two in the years to come, but I suspect they are quite comfortable with their current postion; earning good money, no debts, making cool products, being one of the most influential tech companies in the world (way ahead of MS!)...
 
jrober said:
I was very disappointed to see this this morning. I was just about to buy this for my iMac at home so my family and I can iChat Av while I am working away from home, Broadband is ordered and this was next on the shopping list.

I am annoyed because I understand Panther comes on DVD discs and my iMac has a CDRW drive so I cannot install panther.

Can anyone assist / reccomend a way around this. My other computer is a new Powerbook but it will be 5 weeks before the two computers are together again so I cannot use this to do the install via it's DVD drive.

P.S. The iMac is a G3 600Mhz Blue Dalmatian.

John
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Actually, it's only iLife that requires a DVD drive. On Macs with DVD drives that ship with Panther, Panther comes on 1 DVD (which you don't have). For everyone else, Panther ships on 3 CDs. Therefore, you need not worry.
 
VicMacs said:
and 600kb is enough for anybody's lifetime...
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the thing is with windows it dose not bloody change xp is damn near a clone of 95 bar some major core crap that no one ever notices, all i can see is 3d pinball a fisher price theme and not as many blue screens and a whole load of annoying pop up messages buging you to run windows update but thats me being ignorant.

10.3 is worth it just for the speed you get from upgrading and the stability jaguar was crap for me and 10.2.6 plain did not work i got a kernel panic on boot, exposé is great and i use it constantly and cannot live without it i even find myself going into the corners (which i have it assigned to in OS X as haveing it on the F keys is useless) when i'm using xp expecting it to work.
 
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