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iChat AV for Jaguar Discontinued
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Doctor Q said:
Yeah, and Exposé, and much nice stuff. One cool thing with Panther is that GarageBand works on it! Not that my machine would run GarageBand.
Anyway, Tiger will have h.264/AVC in it's iChat AV, and that's wicked cool. Just a question that will Panther users get the new codec? Prolly not. Gah, speculation is nice but you never know what they're up to, unless you can read minds or you master great skills in burglary.
narco said:
I'm not affected by Apple's decision to no longer offer iChat for Jaguar.
iChat where I work would be a helpful communication tool. Instead of screaming across the building, "Hey Joe, can you make sure that...", everybody on the network can be in the loop. And we have to gather 'round' for tons of meetings every day.
Not affected because: 8.6 at my place of work... 8.6 on a beige G3!
Thankyou
Wrldwizard, many thanks for the advice, Panther on CD it is for the home machine. I am glad that I will be advising on a mac upgrade from 1200 miles away while my wife does this at home. I would not want to try that on a PC.
Yours, off to the Apple store.
John
wrldwzrd89 said:
Wrldwizard, many thanks for the advice, Panther on CD it is for the home machine. I am glad that I will be advising on a mac upgrade from 1200 miles away while my wife does this at home. I would not want to try that on a PC.
Yours, off to the Apple store.
John
narco said:
Well, yes they are. I remember switching to OS X (10.1) in 2001, and after a few days I had learned much new tricks and stuff. Things got a lot easier and, well I could go on and on about this...
Mac users are really rare in Finland. Just found out that my Religions teacher is a Mac user, but that poor woman is still running OS 9 on an 1st gen. iMac.
The difference between OS 9 and OS X feels huge. It feels bigger than between W95 and XP...maybe, just maybe it's because Microsoft haven't really got anything done in the 8 years, anyone?
It's like, Windows 2000 is a copy of OS 8.x and 9.x...XP is a copy of 9.2 and OS X (10.0, with all the bugs copied too), and Longhorn is going to be a copy of...probably Panther. Tiger is going to be way ahead of Longhorn, so Longhorn can't be a copy of Tiger.
wrldwzrd89 said:
I know this is being fussy, but iLife ships on both CD and DVD (my version did anyway) But Garageband is only available on the DVD version.
I knew about GarageBand being on DVD, but I wasn't aware that the whole suite was mixed CD/DVD.feeze said:
It is so obvious!!!
No one use that, everybodys uses Yahoo Messenger or Microsoft Messenger and MSN for Mac have been missing the video feature for many versions and now is stuck! iChat uses American On Line and not many people overseas uses that... (actually no one) so. iChat should be compatible with MSN or die because 80% of the people has an Hotmail or Yahoo account at list and uses MSN.
I chat was not compatible enough, probably Apple is going to lunch a more compatible software or give up the licence to MSN. Period.
AoWolf said:
No one use that, everybodys uses Yahoo Messenger or Microsoft Messenger and MSN for Mac have been missing the video feature for many versions and now is stuck! iChat uses American On Line and not many people overseas uses that... (actually no one) so. iChat should be compatible with MSN or die because 80% of the people has an Hotmail or Yahoo account at list and uses MSN.
I chat was not compatible enough, probably Apple is going to lunch a more compatible software or give up the licence to MSN. Period.
That's very interesting...but also not very surprising that AIM wouldn't be very popular outside the USA. I'd bet MS doesn't want to open up MSN to iChat under any circumstances, since they have their own Passport system. Yahoo might be more willing to cooperate with Apple, however.mymemory said:
wrldwzrd89 said:
Interesting idea. Does anyone else find it odd that OS X's Address Book has a pull-down menu which includes settings for AIM, Jabber, MSN, ICQ and Yahoo... but iChat only works with AIM?
I hope in the next OS X incarnation iChat works with more IM clients. Right now it's like something out of the old Word / WordPerfect incompatibility era. I'm on MSN, you're on AIM, he's on ICQ, etc...
I don't think it's all that odd. After all, Apple knows that Mac OS X users want to store their contacts' IM information, even if it isn't through iChat.TopGear said:
mymemory said:
That is plainly not true. Actually lots of people uses AIM - at least here in Norway. Works nicely with iChat - so no reason for Apple to make a completely new client (AIM is actually a pretty good one also!).
There are also several other clients now collecting all kinds of protocols - and MSN and Yahoo are in talks about interoperating capabilities. Which means these guys are not indifferent to the idea of opening up to Apple as well. IM is going to be big - a lot more important then even e-mail as it also goes mobile now. So to not confuse the users totally they start to open up the protocols to each others. MS relies on its coming integration to office apps - just like iChat actually works with adress book, mail and such.
I really believe that Apple works on getting protocols for at least MSN and Yahoo in there... maybe also Jabber and some of the lesser ones... Apple-users are not any priority with MSN or Yahoo anyway - but hey if they can chat with their windows-clients, why not? I think that is the way - iChat stays Mac only - but gets multi-protocol. I hope
Jabber's already been taken care of, at least in Tiger Server. I can't find any mention of Jabber support in Tiger (client), but I'm sure that it's there.iMan said:That is plainly not true. Actually lots of people uses AIM - at least here in Norway. Works nicely with iChat - so no reason for Apple to make a completely new client (AIM is actually a pretty good one also!).
There are also several other clients now collecting all kinds of protocols - and MSN and Yahoo are in talks about interoperating capabilities. Which means these guys are not indifferent to the idea of opening up to Apple as well. IM is going to be big - a lot more important then even e-mail as it also goes mobile now. So to not confuse the users totally they start to open up the protocols to each others. MS relies on its coming integration to office apps - just like iChat actually works with adress book, mail and such.
I really believe that Apple works on getting protocols for at least MSN and Yahoo in there... maybe also Jabber and some of the lesser ones... Apple-users are not any priority with MSN or Yahoo anyway - but hey if they can chat with their windows-clients, why not? I think that is the way - iChat stays Mac only - but gets multi-protocol. I hope
This is wicked good news!!
The only thing this means to me, is that it is now as close to legal as it gets to copy iChat AV for Jaguar for free, so.. YAHOOO!!
The only thing this means to me, is that it is now as close to legal as it gets to copy iChat AV for Jaguar for free, so.. YAHOOO!!
cracked iChat AV on Jaguar
where I used to work they used iChat AV on Jaguar within the LAN.
they didn't pay for it. it was a cracked copy on every single machine.
oh, they also had unlicensed Final Cut Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, DVD Studio Pro and Office.X on about 15 computers.
it was (and still is) an evil place.
where I used to work they used iChat AV on Jaguar within the LAN.
they didn't pay for it. it was a cracked copy on every single machine.
oh, they also had unlicensed Final Cut Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, DVD Studio Pro and Office.X on about 15 computers.
it was (and still is) an evil place.
cant believe this machine this guy has
you gotta be kidding me....
what is that? like a G... F3?
picture please!
Anacondan said:Not necessarily,
But It will be nice to finally have a usb port
you gotta be kidding me....
what is that? like a G... F3?
picture please!
for those without a spare $100...
Actually, I was just trying to help a friend in the U.S. order iChat AV for Jaguar, so I (in Britain) can talk to him for free on audio chat... I am on Panther and he isn't well-off, so the price difference between $30 for iChat AV under 10.2 and upgrading to 10.3 for $130 is significant - enough to mean phone calls remain, alas, a cheaper way to talk... Apart from the money factor, there is also the issue of whether Apple are 'morally' obliged (as it were) to continue supporting past customers of their OS/products. I can't believe the economics of having a download version of iChat AV for 10.2 are prohibitive for Apple - we can only assume it was a policy decision based on profit margins. Withdrawing iChat AV for Jaguar to force folk to upgrade (regardless of the app's future Tiger compatibility) isn't exactly reassuring about how Apple view their customer base who can't afford to or simply don't need to upgrade their OS every two years. It'd be a shame if Jaguar support (and, perhaps in future, Panther support) dwindles to bare-bones, no-frills tolerance...
Actually, I was just trying to help a friend in the U.S. order iChat AV for Jaguar, so I (in Britain) can talk to him for free on audio chat... I am on Panther and he isn't well-off, so the price difference between $30 for iChat AV under 10.2 and upgrading to 10.3 for $130 is significant - enough to mean phone calls remain, alas, a cheaper way to talk... Apart from the money factor, there is also the issue of whether Apple are 'morally' obliged (as it were) to continue supporting past customers of their OS/products. I can't believe the economics of having a download version of iChat AV for 10.2 are prohibitive for Apple - we can only assume it was a policy decision based on profit margins. Withdrawing iChat AV for Jaguar to force folk to upgrade (regardless of the app's future Tiger compatibility) isn't exactly reassuring about how Apple view their customer base who can't afford to or simply don't need to upgrade their OS every two years. It'd be a shame if Jaguar support (and, perhaps in future, Panther support) dwindles to bare-bones, no-frills tolerance...
iMan said:I really believe that Apple works on getting protocols for at least MSN and Yahoo in there... maybe also Jabber and some of the lesser ones... Apple-users are not any priority with MSN or Yahoo anyway - but hey if they can chat with their windows-clients, why not? I think that is the way - iChat stays Mac only - but gets multi-protocol. I hope
Yeah, I hope that too. So far iChat is the best IM application I've used, odds are that it works only on AIM and .mac. I've used Proteus (a multi-protocol IM app for OS X) and it's okay, but it lacks audio/video and is shareware. I regularly use the newest MSN Messenger for Mac (OSX) version, and iChat. I've also tried ICQ (OS X, that app sucks) and MSN Messenger (Windows), Yahoo! (Windows). Proteus was quite clean, but the others have a clumsy interface and/or show ads.
Multi-protocol iChat would be great because 1) Having many apps open for one thing: chatting, but on different protocols is ridicuolous, and 2) Many people (on Windows) use MSN Messenger because "that's what came on their PC" and some are too afraid to install/let others install anything on their PCs.
wrldwzrd89 said:
Actually, take a look at this. It shows iChat support for Jabber. Authentic or not? Well, since Apple has already announced that it has jabber server support in OS X Server 10.4, I can't imagine that they wouldn't put support for it in iChat AV in 10.4. It's just not the Apple way