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iChat iPhone from Apple?
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mozmac
macrumors 6502
I use Google Talk on my BlackBerry quite often. It's a great program. I would assume that iChat support needs to be standard on an iPhone. If they added VOIP later on, that would be AMAZING! They haven't added it to Google Talk yet, because that would use the data network and not run up your minutes, which service providers don't want to do.
mozmac
macrumors 6502
SBik2
macrumors 6502a
Off topic kinda.. but you can look up that kind of stuff (addresses/numbers) using a text message sent to to the number 46645(google without the E) Ive been told it uses Googles stuff to find address and numbers..
All you have to do is type the name of the place and city and state and send.. Saves the call cost to 411 or pricey Data fees
lOUDsCREAMEr
macrumors regular
Okay, this one I doubt....why would you want to tie a phone into iChat? Instant messaging is on almost or available to every phone sold within the last 2 years or so. I don't see why that would bee something Apple would want to advertise when a lot of run-of-the-mill phones can do it.
Some_Big_Spoon
macrumors 6502a
Grakkle
macrumors 6502a
All this iPhone hype is a bit ridiculous. Remember that the iPhone, when and if it comes out, will be essentially identical to some current SonyEriccson phones, or even the LG Chocolate.🙄 Yes, it may have an apple logo on it, but it's almost certainly not going to be significantly new technology.
SeaFox
macrumors 68030
So I guess you'd be off the hook this this case since as you can see from that phone's screen, it's running Mac OS M. 😉
Email needs to be a a focus, really. The thing about IM is the person has to be available to chat unless they leave themselves logged on all the time. I might as well just call them in that case. 🙄 With email, you can deliver a long message to a person even if their phone is turned off.
Felldownthewell
macrumors 65816
I wonder, assuming this device ever does come out, could/would apple release two versions (CDMA and quad GSM) and then let you select which carrier's software to download to the phone (either at home, on the online order page, or in the store)? This would be far simpler than having either a just-gsm or just-CDMA phone and more cost effective than a dual radio version on which you choose which carrier/radio to use (which I believe was suggested earlier in the thread)...
That way, Apple could continue to sell the product through their own their rather huge network of stores and online. They could also have two versions, a "pro" (treo/HTC/Blackberry-esque QWERTY device w/ MS office integration and Mail/Outlook e-mail push) and a "consumer" (music-centric, smaller, no QWERTY), in keeping witht he rest of their lineup of products. Just a thought.
That way, Apple could continue to sell the product through their own their rather huge network of stores and online. They could also have two versions, a "pro" (treo/HTC/Blackberry-esque QWERTY device w/ MS office integration and Mail/Outlook e-mail push) and a "consumer" (music-centric, smaller, no QWERTY), in keeping witht he rest of their lineup of products. Just a thought.
i don't see why so many people think iChat on a phone is so crazy or why it would need to be wifi.
i have a button on my Razr that is a direct connection to AIM so instant messaging from a phone isn't crazy, two of the people on my buddy list are on mobile phones.
iChat would be faster then texting and just cause this "second phone" would be very iChat based doesn't mean it wont be a phone. It sounds very sidekick like and the sidekick of course has AIM on it.
If they make a phone that will beat the Sidekick (shouldn't be too hard) then i'm in, i'd prefer that then just a a regular candy bar phone
i have a button on my Razr that is a direct connection to AIM so instant messaging from a phone isn't crazy, two of the people on my buddy list are on mobile phones.
iChat would be faster then texting and just cause this "second phone" would be very iChat based doesn't mean it wont be a phone. It sounds very sidekick like and the sidekick of course has AIM on it.
If they make a phone that will beat the Sidekick (shouldn't be too hard) then i'm in, i'd prefer that then just a a regular candy bar phone
rtdunham
macrumors 6502a
i think i'm missing something. my cheapo sprint phone text messages. my daughters' phones do. the person sitting next to me at the football game yesterday was IM'g. is the ability to IM something that belongs in the second version of an apple phone? how many new phones lack that ability, as the first version iPhone presumably would? i need a perspective. thanks.
But that is the problem. Instant messaging has been on phones for over two years. Why would they want to sell a phone on instant messaging if everybody pretty much already has a phone with IM already? There's no reason to buy it if they're going to advertise a feature people already have it on their phones.
And how exactly is IM faster than texting?
Grakkle
macrumors 6502a
Yes, especially on the tiny keypad on a phone? At best, the iPhone might have a slid-out keypad, which won't make IM-ing any faster than texting.
just seems to me that people are acting like its a feature that shouldn't be on a phone rather then one that is almost standard. it also just seems that IM's are quicker conversations then texts, but maybe i'm wrong about that cause on phones it's pretty much the same thing.
yea, but i think that if they do a full tiny keyboard, they will be going for something similar to a sidekick. the sidekick 3 was a major let down.
Well, that's the thing. Every iPod has featured something innovative. The original delivered a small music player capable of holding a (at the time) extensive amount of songs with seamless software. The 3G iPod opened the doors to all users. The mini added even more style and portability to it, making it very popular. The nano held even more songs in a smaller package with a color screen. The 5G iPod delivered all of the above with the ability to watch TV shows and movies on it. Each iPod has brought something to the table that's new and kept competitors guessing what they would do next. Advertising an iPhone, a major step for them, with instant messaging won't cut it. That's already out there. Up until the release of the 5G iPod, you couldn't buy TV shows legally on the internet. Instant messaging on your phone is offered by all of Apple's potential competitors should they decide to enter the mobile phone market.
I love the Sidekick. It's been a hugely successful phone. I think it was great that the SK3 added music, a 1.3 MP shooter, and EDGE, but I do agree they could have at least kept EDGE in there. I think Apple would be smart to make a device similar to the Sidekick. This doesn't mean that they need to make a swiveling screen, (even though it's been patented a million times by Danger) but I think people are starting to warm up to smartphones now. My generation (teen) and my sister's (early 20's) are especially. I have heard that Apple may be launching two devices: one simple phone and a smartphone, which is probably smart because not everyone is interested in a smartphone.
well, i'm 20 so i know the age group
the camera in the SK3 got worse then the 2
and the mp3 player market was a lot smaller or less mature then the phone market is now. maybe i'm looking at this with a closed mind, but what else can they add to a phone that isn't out there already? i mean, e-mail, browser, talking, texting, IMing, music, camera, calendar, note pad, games, voice recording it's all already out there. i guess if you can sync your iTunes having video playback that'd be kind of new... but i have video on my razr it just holds like a 4 second video.
So.. i guess i just dont see much room for "innovation" as far as features go. i dont really count things like increased storage as a new feature in this case.
so what should it have?
the camera in the SK3 got worse then the 2
and the mp3 player market was a lot smaller or less mature then the phone market is now. maybe i'm looking at this with a closed mind, but what else can they add to a phone that isn't out there already? i mean, e-mail, browser, talking, texting, IMing, music, camera, calendar, note pad, games, voice recording it's all already out there. i guess if you can sync your iTunes having video playback that'd be kind of new... but i have video on my razr it just holds like a 4 second video.
So.. i guess i just dont see much room for "innovation" as far as features go. i dont really count things like increased storage as a new feature in this case.
so what should it have?
a conversation i just had with a mac specialist.
You are chatting with Scott C, an Apple Expert
scott- Hi, my name is Scott C. How may I help you today?
me- im just checking out this new applestore online feature
me- its pretty cool
scott- Good morning
me- can i pre-order my iPhone here when it comes out in january?
me- how much is that going to run, i want to order that now.
scott- I am not familiar with the iPhone.
me- oh
me- you are not familiar with it?
me- well i was going to wait for it to come out so i could buy it and use it as my phone
scott- I am unaware of any future or unreleased products.
me- but since you are unfamiliar with it, im going to go buy a microsoft windows phone and lock myself into a 2 year contract in which i will be unable to purchase any other phone
i wont be buying the iPhone. 🙁
i thought it was coming out soon
but since you are unaware, im going to have to get myself an HP iPaq
scott- There are rumors posted online about it, but I am unaware of any factual information about it.
me- oh
me- i heard about it on TV though
me- im one of those people who believes everything they see on TV, not really... but i was quite taken by the iphone they showed on TV and i was going to wait because i know Apple releases the highest quality products i know of. buying the phone they made was going to be my next tech purchase
but now i am going to go get a $400 HP iPaq and lock myself into it for 2 years
scott- Well, it might be worth it to wait and see if Apple does release one then.
me- oooookkkk
me- thank you
scott- Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. We appreciate your business.
me- thank you for chatting
You are chatting with Scott C, an Apple Expert
scott- Hi, my name is Scott C. How may I help you today?
me- im just checking out this new applestore online feature
me- its pretty cool
scott- Good morning
me- can i pre-order my iPhone here when it comes out in january?
me- how much is that going to run, i want to order that now.
scott- I am not familiar with the iPhone.
me- oh
me- you are not familiar with it?
me- well i was going to wait for it to come out so i could buy it and use it as my phone
scott- I am unaware of any future or unreleased products.
me- but since you are unfamiliar with it, im going to go buy a microsoft windows phone and lock myself into a 2 year contract in which i will be unable to purchase any other phone
i wont be buying the iPhone. 🙁
i thought it was coming out soon
but since you are unaware, im going to have to get myself an HP iPaq
scott- There are rumors posted online about it, but I am unaware of any factual information about it.
me- oh
me- i heard about it on TV though
me- im one of those people who believes everything they see on TV, not really... but i was quite taken by the iphone they showed on TV and i was going to wait because i know Apple releases the highest quality products i know of. buying the phone they made was going to be my next tech purchase
but now i am going to go get a $400 HP iPaq and lock myself into it for 2 years
scott- Well, it might be worth it to wait and see if Apple does release one then.
me- oooookkkk
me- thank you
scott- Thank you for visiting the Apple Store. We appreciate your business.
me- thank you for chatting
lmalave
macrumors 68000
iPod scrollwheel and interface, end of story. There are music playing phones out there, but their interfaces are all clunky compared to the iPod. I think the idea with the iPhone will be that when you are not using the phone features, you can use it just like the iPod. Which probably means that it will be a slider phone (like the LG Chocolate except with a real scrollwheel instead of a face one), but we'll see.
lmalave
macrumors 68000
I have a SonyEricsson d750i candybar phone, and I've seen a friends slider w850i phone. I've also checked out the LG Chocolate. The big difference here is obviously that Apple can integrate a *real* iPod scrollwheel since they patented it. Probably the Apple will borrow a lot from the SE phones though: a "music" button or switch to quickly bring up the iPod-like interface, and hopefully a camera button/slider as well.
this conversation to me sounded more like we were talking about the iPhone2 or whatever needing NEW FEATURES to make it stand out from the crowd even more. i agree that the iPod interface would make the phone experience more familiar to a lot of people and the mp3 player portion much much better then all the mp3 phones out all ready, but its not something new that the other mp3 phones don't already do.
does that make sense?
A convesation that bboyredcel had with himself.
bboyredcel- Hi, I'm a stupid moron and I want to show people that I think I'm really cute.
himself- Let's pretend you, bboyredcel, call Apple and ask them about the iPhone.
bboyredcel- Yeah and I, bboyredcel, can pretend that I know more than the Apple Expert.
himself- You could then threaten to purchase a competitor's product.
bboyredcel- Yeah, I bet that would really upset him.
himself- And while you're at it you can show the world or at least those who read this page, how stupid you really are.
bboyredcel- What.
himself- Well, everyone who reads MacRumors should know how Apple operates by now. You might as well be calling Apple about a rumored iPizzaMaker or something.
bboyredcel- Really Apple is working on an iPizzaMaker.
himself- God, I wish someone would just lobotomize me!
justflie
macrumors 6502a
Wu's stock price target of $92 I think is another good indication of how crappy of an analyst he is. AAPL is currently trading at $88.24 (of course it's probably changed since then). I know it probably won't close at the price but there's only a $4 gap between that and the target. I would be very surprised if between now and MWSF, given all of the expected big announcements (and the crashing of the Zune), if the stock price does not rise higher. Then again, I'm not exactly a stock broker...