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iChat VideoConferencing, Java 1.4.1, and MPC7457
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If indeed the 970 is all we believe, and prices of towers stay much the same, why would anybody spend $1300 on an iMac when $1500 gets you something maybe 3x faster?
A 1.8Ghz 970 is equivalent to a theoretical 3.6Ghz G4 in clockspeed. Moto are unlikely to reach 1.8Ghz before 2004, so they will be massively slower.
I'd like Apple to go:
1.2 - 1.6 Ghz 970 in iMac/iBook
1.8 - 2.5 Ghz 970 in PowerMac/Powerbook
This would mean every Mac could crush the equivalent PC in its class without breaking a sweat and all Macs would be 64bit - its a marketing wet dream!
Prediction: The 970 won't be in all PowerMacs
I think people are getting caught up in a fantasy here.
Apple's goal is to sell hardware--high end hardware. People now whine (rightly) about the highest priced Power Macs not being that much faster than, say, a high end iMac.
So Apple will probably roll out the high-end and mid-range Power Macs with the 970, but will likely keep the low-end Power Mac with Motorola chips, at least initially.
They might do the same with the PowerBooks: give the 970 to the 17" (and, maybe, 15") and keep the 12" on Moto chips.
And it'll be a while before iMacs, eMacs, and iBooks ever see a 970 chip.
This isn't inside info, just an educated guess.
I think people are getting caught up in a fantasy here.
Apple's goal is to sell hardware--high end hardware. People now whine (rightly) about the highest priced Power Macs not being that much faster than, say, a high end iMac.
So Apple will probably roll out the high-end and mid-range Power Macs with the 970, but will likely keep the low-end Power Mac with Motorola chips, at least initially.
They might do the same with the PowerBooks: give the 970 to the 17" (and, maybe, 15") and keep the 12" on Moto chips.
And it'll be a while before iMacs, eMacs, and iBooks ever see a 970 chip.
This isn't inside info, just an educated guess.
Dont Hurt Me
macrumors 603
I like what blackcat said and i would like to see that to. I think the 970 will show in the powermacs and the g4 will keep getting its bumps for the imac line with the 7457 showing up in the imac late this year or early 2004. Still think 970's in every mac is the way to go.
strapping a rocket engine onto a pinto
"High-bandwidth" 133 MHz 64-bit MPX Bus/60x Bus
quotes are mine... 😉
Dharvabinky
"High-bandwidth" 133 MHz 64-bit MPX Bus/60x Bus
quotes are mine... 😉
Dharvabinky
allpar
macrumors 6502
The last time Apple had a substantial power advantage was with the G3, and that made it across the board pretty quickly. It was similar to the 970 in its ability to whomp on PCs of just about any magnitude, and the beige G3, while not cheap, was also not in the stratosphere where the current dual-1.4 G4 is. Fortunately this time around it seems Apple has had some advance engineering time and won't simply be shvoing 970s (or whatevers) into motherboards that aren't really suited for 'em. I do wish they'd get the bus speed up to state of the art, though. What kills me on the biege G3 is probably not so much the processor as the bus and hard drive access.
7457 = great news for non power users
I'm looking for an ultraportable, durable machine with great battery life, excellent wireless range, and enough power to let OS X and the iApps shine. Something that's less expensive than the current 12" PB, and is slightly more future-proof than the current G3 iBooks. If they get 1+ GHz 7457 G4 into an iBook that runs on a mere 10W, I for one will run, not walk, to my local Mac retailer to get one.
So...I guess...all I have to do is wait....😡
I'm looking for an ultraportable, durable machine with great battery life, excellent wireless range, and enough power to let OS X and the iApps shine. Something that's less expensive than the current 12" PB, and is slightly more future-proof than the current G3 iBooks. If they get 1+ GHz 7457 G4 into an iBook that runs on a mere 10W, I for one will run, not walk, to my local Mac retailer to get one.
So...I guess...all I have to do is wait....😡
.... Quote Oh so true... They are just like duct tape, holding together Apple's hardware lines until the 970 arrives. Still, why don't they leave the L2 cache at 1MB instead of dropping it to 512K? ....
Speaking of Duck Tape, it sure does hold my camera steady on the top of my active display.
It also keeps my Ducks from getting loose.
Speaking of Duck Tape, it sure does hold my camera steady on the top of my active display.
It also keeps my Ducks from getting loose.
Sun Baked
macrumors G5
You got your caches mixed up.
Code:
cache L1 L2 L3
7450 32K 256K 1MB, 2MB
7455 32K 256K 1MB, 2MB
7457 32K [b]512K[/b] 1MB, 2MB*
* - The MPC7457 supports up to 4 MB of L3 SRAM,
of which a maximum of 2 MB can be configured as cache memory;
the remaining 2 MB may be unused or configured as private memory.I think the swivel cams in the likes of the sony laptop look pretty ugly, it'd be nice for apple to think of a way to ger free movement on a powerbook without looking out of lace. However on an iMac it would be ideal, just a small cam lens on the middle of the white border or along the screen edge that is stationary. Then any camera angle adjustments can be made by swiveling the monitor. A very elegant solution. Of course the cam would have to be set in the monitor to look at the apropriate angle so it will be aimed at the person sitting at the computer. With the iMac's neck it would be easy to say swing the monitor round to face someone else in the room or point it at something you want to show someone. It wouldeven look like your iMacs looking at the thing. The only thing is working out how to insert a lens in the screen without spoiling the clean lines. I suppose you can get tiny cam's but the resolution has to be at least half decent so everything doesn't blur and not be able to be used in artificial light conditions.
As for the spywear, you foget most spywear come in through in internet explorer bug in its help files system, a very famous example being the audio galexy one. Otherwise they come in via sharewear of free wear thats mostly written for windows. Most spywear makers aim for the largest audience which isn't Mac (yet) and/or they dunno how to write for mac. Not to say there isn't any for mac but surely there is good software to the equivilent to ad-aware.
As a few people mentioned cross platform is important. Not many business or people at home have all their partners or friends/family on mac. If it only works on iChat then it wont be a great deal of use, so support for Yahoo! and whatever msn uses is important but i would say unlikely. The best hope is Apple cut a deal with AOL to use the same voice/video codecs and services so iChat is as compatible with streaming media as it is with text messages. I guess this will likely be MPEG-4 as it is an open standard and Apple widely endorse it. Getting AOL AIM to use MPEG-4 would be an important boost for the standard with all those subscribers.
My eMac has a mic built in to the top left of the screen, I have never used it but I think it would be cool if it worked with the future video conferencing in iChat.
I am hoping that apple will release their own firewire web cam someday. With all this talk about the iShoot, an apple branded firewire web cam would be sweet!!! For now I use a Logitech quickcam zoom it is white and USB, and its ok but I want something that screams apple design.
Oh and about the spy ware I already have my head wrapped in tinfoil to keep the satellites from reading my brain waves 😛
Mike
I am hoping that apple will release their own firewire web cam someday. With all this talk about the iShoot, an apple branded firewire web cam would be sweet!!! For now I use a Logitech quickcam zoom it is white and USB, and its ok but I want something that screams apple design.
Oh and about the spy ware I already have my head wrapped in tinfoil to keep the satellites from reading my brain waves 😛
Mike
Re: iChat VideoConferencing, Java 1.4.1, and MPC7457
It's about freakin time. iChat is the only iApp I don't use. They did a really crappy job with it when it was released the first time. Maybe they will do better this time. I am wanting group support and the ability to read someone's away message. Being in college, our away messages can get pretty long.
It's about freakin time. iChat is the only iApp I don't use. They did a really crappy job with it when it was released the first time. Maybe they will do better this time. I am wanting group support and the ability to read someone's away message. Being in college, our away messages can get pretty long.
I couldn't agree with you more....for the prices Apple charges it's inexcusable to be stuck with subpar performance in even their consumer line computers. Besides, when you're the underdog you have to sometimes offer premium products (re PPC 970) to attract buyers. Apple has to make a bold statemet (take no prisoners) in their new line ...
jethroted
macrumors 6502a
Get rid of the G4 already!
This ancient chip is gonna be the death of apple. They have got to adapt a whole new way of looking at their products, and come out back on top. If people are to pay a premium for a pc, then it should have premium performance. Something that stomps p4's or possibly the upcomming p5 into the ground, and leaves them for dead. Charging way more for a computer that is falling behind is getting old fast.
This ancient chip is gonna be the death of apple. They have got to adapt a whole new way of looking at their products, and come out back on top. If people are to pay a premium for a pc, then it should have premium performance. Something that stomps p4's or possibly the upcomming p5 into the ground, and leaves them for dead. Charging way more for a computer that is falling behind is getting old fast.
The chip is for embedded use.
MOT no longer develops PPC chips for the desktop.
MOT will be getting bought or going bankrupt soon anyway.
F MOT
MOT no longer develops PPC chips for the desktop.
MOT will be getting bought or going bankrupt soon anyway.
F MOT
Wish I had Stock in 3M...
Since "Homeland Security" issued the ORANGE alert, I've duck taped myself in. 😀
Since "Homeland Security" issued the ORANGE alert, I've duck taped myself in. 😀
Re: Re: iChat VideoConferencing, Java 1.4.1, and MPC7457
You are so right about that! Very good point!!!
You are so right about that! Very good point!!!
hvfsl
macrumors 68000
A company is already going to sell a nice ipod type device with a tft colour screen for video and a 20Gb HD, all for £250 ($400). I think it is Intel or something, I am going to get one of these if Apple doesn't release a video ipod, but I would prefer Apple's. The good thing about the Intel one is that the screen takes up the whole of one side of the device, not a small window like most other devices. So it looks a bit like a small tablet.
sparkleytone
macrumors 68020
a newer, faster, higher tech rev of the G4 is nothing but good news for laptops made by apple. the g4 is hands down the laptop processor to beat, pc or mac.
a couple things....
A couple things:
It's not "Duck" tape, it's duct tape. Tape to seal piping ducts. Sorry but I've seen it called this 800 times since we went orange and I had to say something.
iChat is only so-so. They really need an app like Trillian. I just paid for and downloaded Trillian Pro and it is the one app that I think there is no comparable product on the mac. Not iChat, not proteus, not fire. Trillian is amazing and the iChat team really needs to learn from them. They support just about every protocol (though no Jabber), they have a modular design that lets you plugin all sorts of stuff if you want (rss client, control winamp) and they even have an SDK available if you want to add your own plugins. Video chat is cool, but only 30% of the US (sorry Europeans, I'm American so I can only speak for us) has broadband. They should implement other features like protocol support before worrying about a feature no one will have the bandwidth to support.
-p
A couple things:
It's not "Duck" tape, it's duct tape. Tape to seal piping ducts. Sorry but I've seen it called this 800 times since we went orange and I had to say something.
iChat is only so-so. They really need an app like Trillian. I just paid for and downloaded Trillian Pro and it is the one app that I think there is no comparable product on the mac. Not iChat, not proteus, not fire. Trillian is amazing and the iChat team really needs to learn from them. They support just about every protocol (though no Jabber), they have a modular design that lets you plugin all sorts of stuff if you want (rss client, control winamp) and they even have an SDK available if you want to add your own plugins. Video chat is cool, but only 30% of the US (sorry Europeans, I'm American so I can only speak for us) has broadband. They should implement other features like protocol support before worrying about a feature no one will have the bandwidth to support.
-p
T'hain Esh Kelch
macrumors 604
Rustus Maximus
macrumors 6502
Well, beyond all of these 'badly needed' 😉 updates...how about they work on getting us Quicksliver Dual Processor users back to the future?
Rustus
Rustus
Duck tape
Actually, it really was originally called "Duck" tape. The army used it, and it got that name because they used it to help keep water out of equipment. Then someone realized how well it worked on duct work. Some company started making it in silver instead of Army green, and they called it duct tape. However there still is a "Duck" brand duct tape.
We in Alaska take duct tape very seriously. We use it for anything from holding partially wrecked airplanes together (to get to the salvage shop only) to child care.
Actually, it really was originally called "Duck" tape. The army used it, and it got that name because they used it to help keep water out of equipment. Then someone realized how well it worked on duct work. Some company started making it in silver instead of Army green, and they called it duct tape. However there still is a "Duck" brand duct tape.
We in Alaska take duct tape very seriously. We use it for anything from holding partially wrecked airplanes together (to get to the salvage shop only) to child care.