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I still cannot believe Apple is going to use Chinese firm Inspur to help design and provide servers for their in-house cloud infrastructure. BAD decision. I'll trust them much less than I do now. You simply cannot trust chinese electronics. Especially something on this grand of a scale, its an intelligence windfall that is too big to ignore.

Except all your electronics are manufactured in China. Not to mention that all server are manufactured in China
 
I agree... Apple seems a little less directed and focussed in the absence of Jobs and a little more flailing...

No doubt true, but nonetheless not unlikely either. Steve may have been harsh in some ways, but his driven nature kept things moving and streamlined, and at least seemingly focused on core issues. I've feared for some time that under current leadership, Apple may become a burgeoning bureaucracy plagued by indecisiveness and conflict in lower levels.
 
I wonder if this will make the Apple servers OS and Hardware more of a viable competitor from this transition?
 
Steve D'Aurora, an engineering manager in a team led by Patrick Gates, resigned last week. That's raised the possibility that Mr. D'Aurora's superior, Darren Haas, a "head of cloud engineering," would leave as well.
I'm sure that Mr D'Aurora and Mr. Haas were objecting to Patrick Gates' increasing use of company resources to find the templar treasure.
 
I wonder if this will make the Apple servers OS and Hardware more of a viable competitor from this transition?

I highly doubt it, sadly. I think they will end up using commodity hardware in their data centers, running Linux.

Last time I touched Server.app (v5, last fall), I had a lot of problems with it and scrapped using it. I don't recommend it to anyone, and apparently (according to a friend who manages a school district), neither do Apple representatives.
 
So we are looking at years for both to become stable highly usable well rounded items.
Wow. :confused:

If ever, before they are cancelled and the next big thing is started.
[doublepost=1461262475][/doublepost]If the issues are technical differences then this speaks more about the management team and work environment than anything else. Good managers wanting to do the right thing can resolve technical differences. Bad self serving managers won't.

If the issues are about strategic goals then its a different story. Either management is not listening or the engineering team is not listening. Not easy to know which.
 
Apple once simplified its product lines and services.
Now Apple expands and adds product lines and services.

Read into it what you will...

When Apple simplified their product line in the 90's they sold $15 billion in product.
Last year Apple sold over $220 billion in product.

Of course they expanded their product line
 
Patrick Gates is an old ex-NeXT/ex-Apple colleague. I'm not concerned one bit. Lower level managers come and go. There are plenty others willing to pick up the sword and drive it forward.
 
Ugh all I know is iCloud needs an overhaul... It needs a straight up storage system like google drive, and it also needs to be "fixed", it's so slow and weird.

On my iPad and iPhone for the past 2 years I've had one-way syncing for contacts and reminders, but that's it. Everything else is fine, sorta. Syncing of those two things isn't used TOO often but when I do use it it's especially frustrating. It goes only from my iPad to my iPhone but not my iPhone to my iPad. It used to effect everything, but luckily that fixed itself. I moved to a whole new iCloud account and it is still screwy... Probably iOS is screwy as well so that's not happening.

Also it's slow. Things sometimes take awhile to transfer over, and iCloud Photo Library is a mess. It gets stuck sometimes and it won't upload. Sometimes photos are uploaded but the device won't pull them down from iCloud. Real annoying.

Siri just isn't useful for anything other than making haphazard reminders or setting alarms or timers. And she mishears everything.
 
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No Steve Jobs their to lead with his iron fist. lol
Unfortunately it seems Tim Cook lacks a strong opinion on the product (as long as it's profitable), or simply lacks the confidence to use in his own ideas ...either way relying on other people/data/surveys to decide what to do.
 
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Patrick Gates is an old ex-NeXT/ex-Apple colleague. I'm not concerned one bit. Lower level managers come and go. There are plenty others willing to pick up the sword and drive it forward.
What is your opinion of Eddy Cue, especially his leadership abilities?
 
No doubt true, but nonetheless not unlikely either. Steve may have been harsh in some ways, but his driven nature kept things moving and streamlined, and at least seemingly focused on core issues. I've feared for some time that under current leadership, Apple may become a burgeoning bureaucracy plagued by indecisiveness and conflict in lower levels.

I guess you forgot that the tension and dislike between Ive and Forstall was so toxic that Ive refused to be in the same meetings as Forstall. That was while Steve was actively at the helm, and they were directly under him.

Any time you have smart and opinionated people you're going to have conflicts like this in a big organization. Upper management will eventually have to take a side.
 
I think I read a piece on Stratechery that the reason for Apple's poor services is not so much due to infighting or incompetence, but because the company is organised along making great hardware, which in turn is a poor fit for refining software.

Simply put, Apple is a victim of its own success.

https://stratechery.com/2016/apples-organizational-crossroads/

So what the writer suggests that Apple does is to spin off its services into a separate company and make the people running that organisation accountable for every last cent of profit they make. This would give them more incentive to improve, while also freeing them from the yokes of Apple's organisational culture.
 
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No doubt true, but nonetheless not unlikely either. Steve may have been harsh in some ways, but his driven nature kept things moving and streamlined, and at least seemingly focused on core issues. I've feared for some time that under current leadership, Apple may become a burgeoning bureaucracy plagued by indecisiveness and conflict in lower levels.

Two issues..
Apple is a Much much bigger beast now than at Jobs times.. And naturally the dynamics can not remain the same. So comparison with Jobs times is not realy valid .

Also these is no way for you to know How driven Tim cook and present leadership is relative to Jobs.
Is is a pure speculative comment.
For all i know Tim is the individual who turned apple into this massivly efficient juggernaut. And Steve nominated him as the next CEO.
Thats a far cry from doubting Tims drive and all.
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There are engineering teams for iCloud and Siri???
LOL!!
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I still cannot believe Apple is going to use Chinese firm Inspur to help design and provide servers for their in-house cloud infrastructure. BAD decision. I'll trust them much less than I do now. You simply cannot trust chinese electronics. Especially something on this grand of a scale, its an intelligence windfall that is too big to ignore.
I guess u would know better than Apple ?
You know that most Apple products are made by Chinese companies?!
 
No Steve Jobs their to lead with his iron fist. lol
About right. Steve was known for dismissing both side of internal politics like this when it slowed down production. Then those below those at loggerheads are promoted with the dismissed managers as an example of what not to do. Back in the days when Steve was returning to Apple, he was firing dozens of middle managers a week that were keeping things from happening inside the place.
 
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