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If I still have my iPhone mini at 2034, it's all Timmy and Apples fault 😤 - for not giving me and probably more folks what we want.

I want new mini's to be sold - not necessarily every year, but now and then. Ok, I probably will buy the smallest iPhone available before that. I am just saying, I may not want to dance with what's offered on the market.
 
oh, we're forced to upgrade. I recently got a new iPhone because the new ones had some cool new features -- forced. Just like how today my wife forced me to eat a cookie by baking some and letting the smell waft over to me forcing me to get up and get one.
"recently got a new iPhone because the new ones had some cool new features -- forced"

Every retail businessperson feels a tingle when they see you coming. Someone who feels forced to buy something just because he wants it!:D
 
Then let people install their own software. SSL/TLS still compiles for 32 bit devices. Owning the device should mean that I can continue to support older devices if I choose to.

This is just pure greed.
They've discontinued a paid feature for a 15 year old device. If it were greed, they’d still happily take the money. Faux rage…

Not an issue. I'll continue backing up my old iPad to 5¼-inch floppy disks.
Those 360k storage limits are a killer huh…
 
true but mega corps have way more resources than an average user so for the time the cload backup is available the user probably gets wey more redundancy than any local sollution they are able to setup and run, we aer talking about the average grandma here not the avarage it homlaber., but tyea the disappearing service is an issue if that is your only backup
yes, agree with your point about redundancy. However, apple already made it easy enough for the average grandma with Time Machine on the Mac (since local backups are stored on the local file system and time machine backs up the entire file system)
 
yes, agree with your point about redundancy. However, apple already made it easy enough for the average grandma with Time Machine on the Mac (since local backups are stored on the local file system and time machine backs up the entire file system)
Not all average grandmas have macs. Some of them might, some of them have windows/ linux boxes and some have no laptop/desktop at all. At any raye if the livevand die by their mobile device thay are probablu on a version vay later yhan ios9 since ther banking happ probably stopped supporting that release years ago because of you know published severe cves that will never be patched so banks kut their risks
 
In other words, iPhones 4 and earlier, as well as the original iPad, cannot be backed up to iCloud.

These are devices that are released 13-18 years ago.

In the rich US market it will impact about 0.1% of all US users.

By comparison the poor PH market it will impact about 0.2% of all PH users.

The totality of about 0.17% worldwide users will be affected.

IMHO the cut off should've been all pre-Lightning connector devices. So that's before the iPhone 5, iPod Touch (5th generation), iPod Nano (7th generation), iPad (4th generation) and iPad Mini (1st generation).

Yesterday I recharged my 2011 iPhone 4s & 2007 iPhone 2G... with how most of us are so used to 2024 iPhone 16 Pro Max speeds the old iPhones feels very antiquated.

Looking back I wish I sold these iPhones when I replaced them with the 5s & 3G rather than keeping them. They're more of a fire hazard that have junk value.
 
some of them have windows/ linux boxes
It is more likely they have Macs or Windows than Linux. Linux is likely found in places where their descendants are Linux nerds who can support their elders.

As for retirees on fixed income being stuck on >1 decade old devices that has since been abandoned... how many are they?

Are they about 0.1-0.2% of their customer base? If they're that many then it may be cheaper to just lend them the cheapest refurbished iPhone/iPad sold commercially than maintain legacy code.

A decade from now will these exact number of elderly users still be needing banking services?
 
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I still keep my iPad 2 around because I really love an app that was never updated for newer OS versions and devices.

I have two old iPhone 4s that I keep around as well, because, well...I don't like getting rid of my older devices, so I just hang on to them.
 
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I still keep my iPad 2 around because I really love an app that was never updated for newer OS versions and devices.

I have two old iPhone 4s that I keep around as well, because, well...I don't like getting rid of my older devices, so I just hang on to them.
After 2 years I sold my 2011 iPad 2 because I mistakenly bought the 16GB version.

If I had the 32GB or 64GB SKU I'd have kept it until 2017 iPad came out.

What is important here's Security Updates and Version Updates for anyone who hardly changes use cases.
 
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Unless there’s a compatibility issue this is pretty anticonsumer. Whether you think old devices are OK or not is irrelevant, purposefully blocking things to make money is bad.
Deleting data from a paying customers account is criminal and I would expect a lawsuit. Apple should have ZERO access to my storage account and this raises huge trust issues.

If you have proof that this is an example of Apple "purposefully blocking things to make money," then please share it. I'd love to see it. As for "deleting data from a paying customers (sic) account is criminal," read the TOS, especially Part 1, section E.

Apple emailed people with affected devices a month ago and told them that this would happen. Those people are still able to back up to a Mac or PC and don't need to buy a thing. In fact, they now have less of a reason to pay for iCloud, thereby meaning less money for Apple if those users cancel or downgrade their accounts.

In the original story and in this article, they say it's because iOS 8 and earlier used a different method of backing up to the cloud, and (after 9 years) they have sunset their iCloud servers from being able to use that outdated method.

If this means their servers are more efficient or safer or just more up to date, and they don't have to maintain and run old software on their servers just for a tiny fraction of people with those old devices, I'm fine with that. Let those consumers be in control of their own backups on their own devices.
 
If you have proof that this is an example of Apple "purposefully blocking things to make money," then please share it. I'd love to see it. As for "deleting data from a paying customers (sic) account is criminal," read the TOS, especially Part 1, section E.

Apple emailed people with affected devices a month ago and told them that this would happen. Those people are still able to back up to a Mac or PC and don't need to buy a thing. In fact, they now have less of a reason to pay for iCloud, thereby meaning less money for Apple if those users cancel or downgrade their accounts.

In the original story and in this article, they say it's because iOS 8 and earlier used a different method of backing up to the cloud, and (after 9 years) they have sunset their iCloud servers from being able to use that outdated method.

If this means their servers are more efficient or safer or just more up to date, and they don't have to maintain and run old software on their servers just for a tiny fraction of people with those old devices, I'm fine with that. Let those consumers be in control of their own backups on their own devices.
Unfair contract terms are illegal in the territory I live in (UK, bit more civilised than USA!) so they can write what they like, and they’ll be tested in court and lose.
Storage services are very simple things so they must be blocking something on purpose. They don’t have to run old software on their servers, that’s not how this works. They just need to keep the API compatible and not block old clients. I work for a global cloud vendor, this is basic stuff and Apple are being anti consumer here plain and simple.
 
Unfair contract terms are illegal in the territory I live in (UK, bit more civilised than USA!) so they can write what they like, and they’ll be tested in court and lose.
Storage services are very simple things so they must be blocking something on purpose. They don’t have to run old software on their servers, that’s not how this works. They just need to keep the API compatible and not block old clients. I work for a global cloud vendor, this is basic stuff and Apple are being anti consumer here plain and simple.
So you’ve read the Terms and Conditions? VII Termination (Part B) covers this very specifically.
 
Apple has really evil tactics making our old devices effectively abandonware. Meanwhile when i look at people using Nintendo gameboy in 2024 woah! What a long shelf life!
Are you saying Nintendo is still releasing games for the Gameboy in 2024 or just that it can still run old games? My 90’s PowerMac can still run it’s old software, too.

It sounds like Apple removed the cloud part of the backup, but you can still backup locally, so it isn’t like they bricked the devices, or even the backup software.

I’m not a huge fan of them deleting backups, but as long as they gave advance notice, it makes complete sense if the ability to access them was gone. Far less annoying than than Apple charging for the storage space for a useless legacy backup that I could no longer even access to use. That would be worse than the GBs of wasted space my Apple Music app takes up for once downloaded songs that are no longer even on my iPad.
 
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