Exactly, Apple has one year before it has to have a successor ready. Whatever they announced now would look different in a year from now.
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iCloud.com to Offer at Least Some of MobileMe's Web Functionality
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This isn't difficult people! Apple couldn't have made this any more easier to find on their site if you actually go looking for it, took me less than 1 minute. But to save you all the time, from http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/contacts-calendar-mail.html:
Mail that delivers. Free.
When you set up iCloud, you get a free me.com email account. iCloud automatically pushes new email messages to all your devices, so your inbox is up to date everywhere you check it. And iCloud keeps all your folders in sync, no matter which device youre using.
This isn't difficult people! Apple couldn't have made this any more easier to find on their site if you actually go looking for it, took me less than 1 minute. But to save you all the time, from http://www.apple.com/icloud/features/contacts-calendar-mail.html:
Mail that delivers. Free.
When you set up iCloud, you get a free me.com email account. iCloud automatically pushes new email messages to all your devices, so your inbox is up to date everywhere you check it. And iCloud keeps all your folders in sync, no matter which device youre using.
If you would have read the thread, you would have realized we got the answer to this.
It's what is going to happen to Photo Gallery, iDisk and other small things MobileMe has. I for one, have a high usage of iDisk.
Yeah, I agree about it not being good not knowing about the 'other' MM stuff - my point was more one of surprise that a lot of questions people are asking about iCloud and even getting into big discussions about on here and other forums are actually answered clearly on the Apple information pages that have been up since the announcement.
I was referring to the web based interface/navigation. It feels like Windows 98'ish.
Bottom line - tried it in beta, tried it for a year, don't like it.
Thats probably why no one has bought them. They aren't that much a disruptive business, and they don't really add anything new to online storage/cloud computing. Google, Apple, Microsoft, even HP have their own versions of online storage - thus there is no need to buy DropBox. They need to hire some good people to really clean things up and make it look cleaner and more intuitive to use like iDisk and really fuse it into the MacOS, because right now, it sticks out like a red headed stepchild.
Just my $0.02.
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When i'm on a holiday, i upload pictures with my iPhone directly to MobileMe so that the people at home can see them. So this won't be possible anymore ?
When i'm on a holiday, i upload pictures with my iPhone directly to MobileMe so that the people at home can see them. So this won't be possible anymore ?
It is a tad weird that Apple has said almost nothing regarding the MobileMe to iCloud transition. They cleaned up the whole "zomg, how do I get refunded?!" thing pretty quickly yet completely failed to tell us what is going to happen to things like Back to My Mac or if iDisk will exist at all or if document storage will only work inside of iCloud compatible apps or if photostream will have some sort of web interface similar to gallery (which was pretty half baked and never updated unlike the new calendar and mail webapps). I wouldn't hold your breath regarding iWeb (after ditching homepage and then not updating iWeb that is a pretty clear signal to jump ship).
bookmarks on the web
I'm still sad they took away my bookmarks from the web interface of MobileMe/.Mac
It was nice, no matter where I was, I could look up a bookmark...
Gary
I'm still sad they took away my bookmarks from the web interface of MobileMe/.Mac
It was nice, no matter where I was, I could look up a bookmark...
Gary
Apple does what Apple wants, this is the song the fanboys sing.
Who knows, what they are going to do (for sure), and even if they offer every feature we want, with Apples history, it may not work until they do some revisions. If your data is highly important to you, there are several months to get it into other services. That way you are not taking the huge risk iCloud version 1.0 may be.
I'm going to migrate out of mobileme in the coming weeks since I'm already using Dropbox and several other cloud services for general data. I don't put anything personal in the cloud anyway.
As far as Apple, it really doesn't matter to me whether iCloud works or not.
I'm holding fast at OS X 10.6.5 and enjoying the fact that I am in control of what I put where.
Besides I have a very complete in-house network for backups and connecting the rest of the computers in the family. Since it's not connected to the net there is nothing to worry about. I use a secured WiFi system for Web access and we are careful of just what we do when online. It's simple really.
Why would anybody use that web-based interface?
And nobody uses Google's or Apple's or Microsoft's or HP's solution except for a few applications tapping directly into them. Almost everybody who is a heavy sharer of files (and does not have a company server including VPN) vastly prefers Dropbox to anything else.
The word is that you can make any AppleID/iTunes Account into an iCloud Account which will either convert the MobileMe account associated with it or give you a new @me.com email address and whatnot depending on if it was associated with a MobileMe account.
This seems likely but given the fact that most of this stuff isn't even up and running and then a large portion of what is up is under NDA I wouldn't expect 100% until Apple says so on their website.
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One thing I am worried about is those of us with email only accounts through MobileMe. We have one "master" email account which happens to be our iTunes ID and then two email only addresses which are our iPhones. Our music on both of our phones (and macs at home) share the iTunes account.... But my wife and I have our own mailboxes with the email only accounts. We also have some aliases. I love the flexibility we have now. I'm a bit worried.
One thing I am worried about is those of us with email only accounts through MobileMe. We have one "master" email account which happens to be our iTunes ID and then two email only addresses which are our iPhones. Our music on both of our phones (and macs at home) share the iTunes account.... But my wife and I have our own mailboxes with the email only accounts. We also have some aliases. I love the flexibility we have now. I'm a bit worried.
This doesn't make sense.
If I am traveling or I am over at a friend's house or something, I cannot open my email unless I open up my iPhone?
That would be wrong. I expect to be able to open my email wherever I am, not just on my computer or my iDevices.
If I am traveling or I am over at a friend's house or something, I cannot open my email unless I open up my iPhone?
That would be wrong. I expect to be able to open my email wherever I am, not just on my computer or my iDevices.
Crazy Apple? What else is new? Next move - SJ announces post WEB era. Everything should go through iOS/App Store. Period.
Lol. I cant believe what you are discussing about: Apple will release free iCloud services with the ios5 release in autumn '11. I bet they are just pimping what you have seen @ mobileme and replacing all logos and stuff. I think someday, there will be a Homescreen like-designed Webinterface for all kind of cloud apps. Thats what Google has done, and what Apple is going to do (just better). And there is no reason not to offer paid extra services.
As stated from Apple .me & .mobile me mail adresses can easily be moved to icloud (must be moved?!). You are only using an updated and hopefully even better web interface then.
I think the Lion Safari-only-mode is also slightly referring to a icloud-lion based stuff later.
As stated from Apple .me & .mobile me mail adresses can easily be moved to icloud (must be moved?!). You are only using an updated and hopefully even better web interface then.
I think the Lion Safari-only-mode is also slightly referring to a icloud-lion based stuff later.
That's like trying the 'frozen food' edition of PF Changs and saying "ate there; don't like it."
The web edition is NOT dropbox. It is a method to access dropbox files.
Dropbox sets up a folder on all computers. You can select what folders sync and are available on each computer. The files are local, then sync quickly via cloud. Files are accessible offline (then sync later).
Well, 2GB is free. Correct, no need to buy it. Dropbox is not the same as online storage you mention. Similar products include SugarSync, Spyder Oak.
Well, try it again. Dropbox folders slip right into any system. Until then, your quote looks like the stepchild. Can't say anything bad about redheads - I am one
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Quick thought. You might remember Steve going on at one point about how your iCloud, and subsequently mail account, would be ad free. He even went as far to talk about how it's something they just can't morally do. This struck me as odd. They have never had ads in their native apps. Why would they even need to mention this? If they're going to store all the mail in the cloud anyways, it wouldn't cost them anymore to give you another gateway (@me.com) to get it there. I truly believe they will have a web mail service to compete with gmail. Why wouldn't they?
Quick thought. You might remember Steve going on at one point about how your iCloud, and subsequently mail account, would be ad free. He even went as far to talk about how it's something they just can't morally do. This struck me as odd. They have never had ads in their native apps. Why would they even need to mention this? If they're going to store all the mail in the cloud anyways, it wouldn't cost them anymore to give you another gateway (@me.com) to get it there. I truly believe they will have a web mail service to compete with gmail. Why wouldn't they?
While I can't speak with 100% certainty I think it is probably pretty safe to assume that any MobileMe account (master account or not) will be convertible to a full (free) iCloud account. It would be a tad silly if only full accounts were convertible since they were selling those email only and family accounts so hard.
What's worse is that the receiver has to sign up for an account to access any shared files. I hope some iDisk functionality remains, even if I have to pay for extra storage, would be nice to have the option.
http://www.apple.com/uk/icloud/features/contacts-calendar-mail.html
Did I miss something?
My understanding is that the 5GB will be in addition to the storage of tunes, mail, contact, calendar, etc. Apple isn't going to store physical copies of the same song for everyone who buys it -- there will be just one copy of each song, with some sort of link (playlist?) for each individual purchase.
The iWeb application isn't going to disappear and will probably still run in Lion (I'm still running iMovie HD ver 6.0.4 in Snow Leopard) - just back it up before upgrading to Lion or keep SnowLeo on another HD. iWeb lets you upload to sites other than MobileMe so theoretically, there is no reason why we can't use the 5GB to host a personal website unless Apple imposes a bandwidth cap.
Did I miss something?
My understanding is that the 5GB will be in addition to the storage of tunes, mail, contact, calendar, etc. Apple isn't going to store physical copies of the same song for everyone who buys it -- there will be just one copy of each song, with some sort of link (playlist?) for each individual purchase.
The iWeb application isn't going to disappear and will probably still run in Lion (I'm still running iMovie HD ver 6.0.4 in Snow Leopard) - just back it up before upgrading to Lion or keep SnowLeo on another HD. iWeb lets you upload to sites other than MobileMe so theoretically, there is no reason why we can't use the 5GB to host a personal website unless Apple imposes a bandwidth cap.
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Exactly the problem with MobileME was never the frontend. I mean the interface for the Web apps thanks to Sproutcore was amazing. Indeed many of the web apps had "Like Native" Interfaces. Add all the work on JavaScript engines the Interface for these webapps should have been getting closer and closer to native over the next years. Add caching of those web apps locally and the vast improvement of HTML5 web browser. Then the Apple Web apps of MobileMe and iWorks.com where really good examples of what was possible.
It really seems like what was letting them down was the backend and they've said iCloud is a complete rework of the backend firstly as a syncing system.
I guess trying the WebApp Interfaces to that backend is going to take some time, a lot more time than tying that backend to Cocoa/Cocoa Touch frameworks where Apple have already established API's that can be extended to accommodate the new system.
It's funny the way they are doing it if Apple do bring out a new WebApp platform next year built on iCloud document store that includes Some of Apples own apps ready to go and a set of Developer API's it'll still seem like there was a clear break between the two even if there is no loss of function over the next year.
They already said you'd keep your email. No worries. However, iDisk, web hosting, backup, syncing of many mac preferences, galleries, who knows...?
Until iCloud goes live, I'm having a good time using this:
http://getcloudapp.com/
I'm pretty impressed. I've got it on my Mac via the web interface, and apps for it on my iPhone and iPad.
http://getcloudapp.com/
I'm pretty impressed. I've got it on my Mac via the web interface, and apps for it on my iPhone and iPad.