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What the hell is Windows 5? .... Is what I thought right away.

Windows 5 is Windows 2000/XP (5.1).
Windows 6 is Vista.
Windows 7 is.. well, Windows 7. Same with 8.

They skipped 9, now we are at Windows 10.

Did you know that Windows 9 was skipped because some software checks for the string "Windows 9*" to detect version, and would think it was running under Windows 95 or 98? Microsoft is so amusing sometimes.

So yeah there WAS a Windows 5. And we suffered through it for a very long time. :)
 
After thinking about it I sort of prefer the way it's done now on Windows. I wouldn't want windows to have automatic sync therefore giving it ability to delete or modify all of my photos in iCloud Photo Library - imagine a cryptolocker variant which does this?

Surely Apple would not be so foolish as to allow permanent deletion without keeping a backup copy for some period of time. Unfortunately, Apple has not demonstrated the kind of data security that suggests they do keep backups of your data. A shame.
 
So you think, Apple should port Photos (Photos.app) to Windows? Or dumb down iCloud Photo Library to simple sync of folders of photos so it could be synced with a simple set of folders on Windows? Like Dropbox and Google Photos work?

If you want to be compatible with as much as possible, you have reduce functionality to the lowest common denominator.

I don't see any reason why Apple shouldn't make use of iCloud drive to sync at least a set of folders to a Windows PC should the user want it. You really don't give Apple's engineers much credit, if you don't think they could make a functional folder sync for their HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of Windows users, who outnumber their Mac users by 10:1 at least.
 
So yeah there WAS a Windows 5. And we suffered through it for a very long time. :)

Many people say that Windows 2000 was the best OS they ever made until collective insanity forgot the early hatred for XP and turned it into love. 2K was certainly move loved than XP until XP SP2 in 2004.
 
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The case is getting stronger for a Windows desktop that fills in the gaps of a headless Mac between the underpowered Mac Mini and the over priced Mac Pro. I can now access all my iCloud files and photos in my Windows 10 Bootcamp and do everything I used my Mac Mini for. My calendars, e-mail and contacts sync with my iPhone and iPad.

Apple better get their desktop act together beside those AIO iMacs or I'll be headed to a Windows machine for my next desktop.

What's / Who's stoping / grabbing you?
Have a good journey.
See ya.
 
I don't see any reason why Apple shouldn't make use of iCloud drive to sync at least a set of folders to a Windows PC should the user want it.
Photos isn't based on a set of folders, at least not ones a user has any control over. The time and location-based main organisation could be seen as folders for years, within those folders for collections and within those folders for moments. But the user has no control over this, you cannot move images between those 'folders', you cannot rename them, you cannot create new ones (and I am not even sure if Photos doesn't reserve itself the right to move images at a later point between moments, and it almost certainly cannot rename them).

Thus, those 'folders' synced to a Windows PC would have to be read-only folders on the PC (except for the option to delete images, and even then deleting an image would not move the image to the system trash but to 'Photos' trash folder). While read-only folders certainly could be implemented, already adding the option to delete images but not move or rename them would be difficult and implementing the Photos trash would require an application, ie, a Photos Light to be there. And even without those difficulties, any albums inside the iCloud Photo Library would not be visible on Windows (or be read-only folders with aliases pointing to the actual images).

And all this would only work for jpeg files that have not been modified by the user. iCloud could restrict itself to syncing only the adjusted images, but owing to the read-only nature of those, the user could not sync any locally made changes back to the cloud. Things would look even messier once you added raw files into the mix.

So, sure, Apple could add an automatic download (adding folders for year, collections, and moments) but I am not sure the read-only nature of those would not cause more grievance than the current functionality.
 
Many people say that Windows 2000 was the best OS they ever made until collective insanity forgot the early hatred for XP and turned it into love. 2K was certainly move loved than XP until XP SP2 in 2004.

Windows 2000 was an insecure mess the likes of which the world has never seen.

The biggest security problems we've ever had have been due to Windows 2000.

XP was sitting on a beach recliner in a nice breeze with a margarita compared to 2000. :)
 
Photos isn't based on a set of folders, at least not ones a user has any control over. The time and location-based main organisation could be seen as folders for years, within those folders for collections and within those folders for moments. But the user has no control over this, you cannot move images between those 'folders', you cannot rename them, you cannot create new ones (and I am not even sure if Photos doesn't reserve itself the right to move images at a later point between moments, and it almost certainly cannot rename them).

Thus, those 'folders' synced to a Windows PC would have to be read-only folders on the PC (except for the option to delete images, and even then deleting an image would not move the image to the system trash but to 'Photos' trash folder). While read-only folders certainly could be implemented, already adding the option to delete images but not move or rename them would be difficult and implementing the Photos trash would require an application, ie, a Photos Light to be there. And even without those difficulties, any albums inside the iCloud Photo Library would not be visible on Windows (or be read-only folders with aliases pointing to the actual images).

And all this would only work for jpeg files that have not been modified by the user. iCloud could restrict itself to syncing only the adjusted images, but owing to the read-only nature of those, the user could not sync any locally made changes back to the cloud. Things would look even messier once you added raw files into the mix.

So, sure, Apple could add an automatic download (adding folders for year, collections, and moments) but I am not sure the read-only nature of those would not cause more grievance than the current functionality.

I'm not sure why you speak so confidently of how the server-side organization of iCloud photos are implemented. BUT here's the thing, if you're right, then Apple deserves DOUBLE the scorn for designing a system that can't possibly sync properly with 90%+ of their users. STUPID!
 
Windows 2000 was an insecure mess the likes of which the world has never seen.

The biggest security problems we've ever had have been due to Windows 2000.

XP was sitting on a beach recliner in a nice breeze with a margarita compared to 2000. :)

That's an odd amount of authority to speak with for someone who claims to have been Windows free since 2003.
 
That's an odd amount of authority to speak with for someone who claims to have been Windows free since 2003.

Personally Windows free. I still deal with it at work constantly. :)

EDIT: Dude it even says I deal with it at work in my sig. It's like you didn't read the second half of that line!
 
I keep receiving the error, "Errors occurred while installing the updates. If the problem persists, choose Tools> Download Only and try installing manually."

I am running Windows 10 Pro 64 bit with Office 2016. I assume I'm receiving this error because I have Office 2016 installed. Hopefully 2016 support follows.
Microsoft have removed IMAP support in Outlook 2016, so don't keep your fingers crossed. It would require substantial development from Apple to get it to work, and I doubt they will unless Microsoft offers some soft of solution for the lack of IMAP first.
 
I'm not sure why you speak so confidently of how the server-side organization of iCloud photos are implemented. BUT here's the thing, if you're right, then Apple deserves DOUBLE the scorn for designing a system that can't possibly sync properly with 90%+ of their users. STUPID!
iCloud Photo Library syncs the same library between the cloud, the iPhone and the Photos app on Macs. The library structure thus has to be the same on all three platforms and how things work in the Photos app is abundantly clear. And not only is it abundantly clear, it is also largely how iPhoto and Aperture worked though Photos takes that to another level by not allowing the user to alter the 'folder' structure.

But even non-destructive image editors and DAMs like LR that mirror the internal structure with standard folders have collections and virtual copies that don't have an equivalent on disk. And by being non-destructive, they also don't reflect any adjustments made in the photos stored on disk as the adjustments are employed on the fly as photos are viewed.

You cannot have non-destructive editing and a mirroring of images in a set of folders. You cannot have virtual copies (LR) or versions (Aperture) and secondary organisational structures like albums (Photos) or collections (LR) and a mirroring of images in a set of folders. If you want compatibility with the lowest-tech platform (sets of folders), you have to dumb down things to the lowest common denominator.

And in regard to iPhone, that 90+% of users is too high a number. The latest marketshare figures put the iPhone at about 44% in the US and the Mac at 7.6%. If we assume that all Mac users also use iPhones (which is a bit of a simplification), (44-7.6)/44 = 83% of iPhone users use PCs.
 
Microsoft have removed IMAP support in Outlook 2016, so don't keep your fingers crossed. It would require substantial development from Apple to get it to work, and I doubt they will unless Microsoft offers some soft of solution for the lack of IMAP first.
My understanding is Microsoft has not removed IMAP support. From another site "Outlook 2016 is RFC compliant. As part of that change, it now chokes if the UIDVALIDITY returned by the mail server is 0. Most mail servers don't return 0, but a few do (most noticeably, SmarterMail). SmarterMail has been informed of this and is making a change to fix it. When the change is made, your host will need to install the SmarterMail update. Microsoft is considering making a change to accept a UIDVALIDITY of 0, but they're really hoping the mail server providers will make the fix."
 
I've been using this on a Windows 7 machine and everything works so far, except one thing: after I imported a few photos, there was one photo I initially thought I didn't need, so I deleted it from my iCloud Photo Library through my iPhone. Later on, I changed my mind, but when I went to re-import the photo via the Upload folder, it wouldn't take it. It had no problem taking any other photos that hadn't been previously uploaded, but if I tried re-importing any photo that was initially uploaded through iCloud for Windows, it won't upload to iCloud Photo Library.

Anyone else having this problem?
 
So you think, Apple should port Photos (Photos.app) to Windows? Or dumb down iCloud Photo Library to simple sync of folders of photos so it could be synced with a simple set of folders on Windows? Like Dropbox and Google Photos work?

If you want to be compatible with as much as possible, you have reduce functionality to the lowest common denominator.

Apple is about user experience. I don't want the photos app. I want exactly what they have, just to work and actually sync. Either that, or get rid of the word "sync" from ALL your marketing materials when talking about iCloud. It doesn't sync. It downloads and uploads manually.
 
Sounds like Apple should just do a Photos app for Windows. Or encourage Windows users to use the web app.

Honestly it kind of is like the iCloud web app, just runs in the background. Don't get me wrong, I don't care much since I use a mac, but the one PC I have I uninstalled it because it's worthless.
 
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Apple is about user experience. I don't want the photos app. I want exactly what they have, just to work and actually sync. Either that, or get rid of the word "sync" from ALL your marketing materials when talking about iCloud. It doesn't sync. It downloads and uploads manually.
And what is 'what they have'? A linear list of photos that the user cannot reorder? You to sync a largely (exception deletion) read-only list of images?

Because iCloud is only Photos. Yeah, let's just declare the whole of iCloud to be rubbish because one component (iCloud Photo Library) doesn't sync with PCs. You want the best integration between phone and computer? Buy both from the same vendor.

A case can be made for porting Photos to Windows, like porting iTunes to Windows enabled syncing of music between a Windows PC and an iPod (and later an iPhone). But a case can also be made to reserve some features to Mac users.
 
And what is 'what they have'? A linear list of photos that the user cannot reorder? You to sync a largely (exception deletion) read-only list of images?

Because iCloud is only Photos. Yeah, let's just declare the whole of iCloud to be rubbish because one component (iCloud Photo Library) doesn't sync with PCs. You want the best integration between phone and computer? Buy both from the same vendor.

A case can be made for porting Photos to Windows, like porting iTunes to Windows enabled syncing of music between a Windows PC and an iPod (and later an iPhone). But a case can also be made to reserve some features to Mac users.

Well, no, don't misunderstand me. The only part of iCloud Windows I used was photo sync because the rest I don't need in Windows. So no, I'm not saying the whole thing sucks because of that, but I'm purely talking about that part since the whole comment I was making was purely about photos.

I can argue iTunes for windows kind of sucks too. It's very laggy and slow. At any point do you think apple might be doing it on purpose?

Again, I'm not starting a war, sorry if it sounds that way. I (my opinion) think it sucks, but again, I don't care because I use Mac OS X anyway.
 
And what is 'what they have'? A linear list of photos that the user cannot reorder? You to sync a largely (exception deletion) read-only list of images?

Because iCloud is only Photos. Yeah, let's just declare the whole of iCloud to be rubbish because one component (iCloud Photo Library) doesn't sync with PCs. You want the best integration between phone and computer? Buy both from the same vendor.

A case can be made for porting Photos to Windows, like porting iTunes to Windows enabled syncing of music between a Windows PC and an iPod (and later an iPhone). But a case can also be made to reserve some features to Mac users.

Again, I'm not talking about iCloud. I'm talking about the Windows component that does windows syncing of iCloud photos ONLY. Maybe worthless was the wrong word to say. But how hard is it, I delete a photo in windows, photo gets deleted in iCloud. THAT'S IT. Clearly people agree with me, as I'm getting likes on the statement. I'm not trolling, and it's my opinion. Don't agree if you like clicking download all the time to see your photos and then logging into a web browser, scrolling to the photo and looking at similar ones to identify the exact photo you want to remove and then the web browser to delete that one photo. That is a good user experience, you are right.
 
My sister is using a Windows computer and she is having a LOT of problems syncing her photos from the iCloud shared folders to her computer. They used to automatically download to her Windows computer but lately it would only sync a few. Is anyone else having this problem?
 
My sister is using a Windows computer and she is having a LOT of problems syncing her photos from the iCloud shared folders to her computer. They used to automatically download to her Windows computer but lately it would only sync a few. Is anyone else having this problem?

Shh. You'll wake it.


In all seriousness though, is she still only using 5? Since I got notification of this post, I will have had problems with it in the past, and I know there's been at least two updates since.
 
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