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This is really scaring me out of iCloud.

This is the company who had found a way to privately look for CSAM without actually seeing the photos.

My trust has sunk.

Someone is getting fired over there.
Nobody is getting fired. Can you explain how you are going to handle your sinking trust? Next phone is android?
 
Just when you think Apple's utterly incompetent engineers can't get any worse, they reach a new low.

Showing users resources that belong to a different user is the number one most catastrophic fail you can possibly have in a multiuser service. They should be fined out of the eyeballs and NEED TO FIRE the engineering/product manager(s) that presided over such a disaster.

I should point out that, at least in the EU, a data breach of that magnitude should alone warrant a substantial fine.

Horrifying. Absolutely horrifying. This just doubles me down on the "my current Mac and iPhone are the last pieces of Apple hardware I'll buy" stance - their software is just utter, utter junk now. It's not worth the money or the stress.
That is a lot to chew on with pretty much no facts as of yet. I suggest slow deep breathing.
 
The reminders app STILL doesn’t let me add any new reminder lists after the last few years. So I disagree. It’s also still clunky even though they have admittedly make some parts not AS bad. As a general Apple mac/iPhone/iPad/watch user who has PCs at work only on windows and uses iCloud as my main form of personal comms/organisation, iCloud.com has always felt a pretty second rate afterthought.
Main issue with iCloud.com has always been smoothness imo. Already was like that with iTools/MobileMe (me.com)
 
So either iCloud doesn’t sync or it syncs with the neighbour’s library.

Well done Apple. I’m waiting for the day you understand how run down, useless and hopeless your software department came to be.
 
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Nobody is getting fired.
Exactly. A boss would have to be an idiot or a micromanager (same difference in my book) to fire an experienced programmer over a mistake in a complex piece of software. The guy they bring in to replace him will need to learn the algorithm, look over the code (and comment about the crappy quality, because it's what guys do😁), try to fix the problem. That would take months. It's better to keep the guy who made the mistake, since he'll be more vigilant the next time.
Well done Apple. I’m waiting for the day you understand how run down, useless and hopeless your software department came to be.
I blame C-level suits for pushing software out before it's ready. Give the programmers time to debug and optimize the code before releasing it into the wild.
 
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What I’m trying to understand is if this applies to all of us who use iCloud at all. Or if it’s only people using iCloud for Windows whose photos are just going out to random people. And that’s horrible but if it’s just Windows then I don’t need to worry about that for now.

If this kind of library cross-pollution does really happen, it more or less has to be server-side unless the architecture is totally boneheaded and takes the client's word for authentication and access scope without verification. Even though I'm far from convinced with Apple's current software quality, the latter option still seems too far-fetched and it looks like it has to be a server-side issue, we just don't know how widespread it is/was yet. There's also this to indicate that it's not a Windows-specific problem: #35
 
Are you for real!?! This is 100% Apple fault. Apple is backend and Microsoft frontend in this story. On top of this, Apple 1st party and Microsoft 3rd. A third-party frontend accessing unauthorized content from a firstparty backend is a big effing deal. It prove one thing, their architecture is garbage. This should be prevented by design so random bug doesn't trigger this. My feeling, they have a backdoor into iCloud and this bug exploit something around the backdoor.
Apple has never really been good at server stuff. iCould APIs were garbage for what 5 years until they were completely replaced? It be nice to know who they outsourced the server code to. But I am guessing they got all of those grade schoolers that they targeting with Swift to create the code for Apple servers. But who knows.
 
Apple has many ways to encourage its users to switch to a Mac. I don’t believe that Apple is doing this intentionally, however they can’t test the millions of configurations of PC out in the world to verify that everything works 100% on every one ( that’s Microsoft’s job ). Is Microsoft doing everything it can to make sure Apples’s software works on all its systems? Most definitely not. ☠️
 
Apple has many ways to encourage its users to switch to a Mac. I don’t believe that Apple is doing this intentionally, however they can’t test the millions of configurations of PC out in the world to verify that everything works 100% on every one ( that’s Microsoft’s job ). Is Microsoft doing everything it can to make sure Apples’s software works on all its systems? Most definitely not. ☠️
It's not Microsoft's job to do. Apple is responsible for their own code, full stop.
 
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Apple has many ways to encourage its users to switch to a Mac. I don’t believe that Apple is doing this intentionally, however they can’t test the millions of configurations of PC out in the world to verify that everything works 100% on every one ( that’s Microsoft’s job ). Is Microsoft doing everything it can to make sure Apples’s software works on all its systems? Most definitely not. ☠️
Are you for real? it's nothing to do with Microsoft, this is an Apple server issue.

It doesn't matter if the Apple software works well or not, even if Microsoft had checked it (which I don't see why it would beyond for security reasons). The Apple server is giving the wrong people access to the wrong photos.

On which planet would this be the responsibility of Microsoft? This thread is going to provide a new level of fanboyism for years to come. Would you complain to Apple if you used the Onedrive app on your Mac from Microsoft and it showed you other peoples data? I don't think so. People just seem to throw logic out the window when it comes to Apple mistakes as they can do no wrong.
 
Apple has many ways to encourage its users to switch to a Mac. I don’t believe that Apple is doing this intentionally, however they can’t test the millions of configurations of PC out in the world to verify that everything works 100% on every one ( that’s Microsoft’s job ). Is Microsoft doing everything it can to make sure Apples’s software works on all its systems? Most definitely not. ☠️
They created the app not MS, by this logic any third party app issues on MacOS are Apple’s fault? Does this not sound ridiculous to you.. the one creating an app should be primarily testing it… What do you mean millions of configurations, this isn’t dealing with low level hardware differences which would be more complicated, it’s a photos app…and “millions of configurations” has little to do with a server side issue…
 
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Apple has many ways to encourage its users to switch to a Mac. I don’t believe that Apple is doing this intentionally, however they can’t test the millions of configurations of PC out in the world to verify that everything works 100% on every one ( that’s Microsoft’s job ). Is Microsoft doing everything it can to make sure Apples’s software works on all its systems? Most definitely not. ☠️
Oh no. This is not a local Windows problem and has nothing to do with multiple possible configurations. Why would somebody else’s images be on my local machine to begin with?

This happens on the server and is most likely a client-server authorization issue. It is then of course related to the use of Microsoft libraries on the client side but those kind of libraries rarely differ from one PC configuration to another.

But will see what the exact cause was.
 
It's not Microsoft's job to do. Apple is responsible for their own code, full stop.
well - is it their server-side code, or client-side code?
is iCloud a product? SaaS? XaaS? or another type of service? What is the endpoint agent's role vs. cloud sync?
so many people talking about CEO's and C-suite and responsibility and ...
 
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well - is it their server-side code, or client-side code?
is iCloud a product? SaaS? XaaS? or another type of service? What is the endpoint agent's role vs. cloud sync?
so many people talking about CEO's and C-suite and responsibility and ...
Server side I'd say. It's downright stupid to handle security solely on the client side, I can't imagine even Apple would do that. But it really doesn't matter, all is authored by Apple.
 
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Let’s clarify this again, it’s not directly related to Windows, but is an Apple iCloud servers issue. Whoever said that is Windows related only is completely wrong. I don’t want my SS or other critical info in hands of some unknown guy. It’s a serious issue, not be treated lightly. I like the easiness of iCloud but I value my private data more. I’m an IT Manager with more than 30 years of experience in Networks, Computer Systems, Domains etc… just for you info.
 
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So....is there ANY real factual evidence to this story? You would think if it was real, this would be blowing up like crazy.

It has ONLY been reported here.


And by a brand-new account and confirmed by another brand-new account. I am calling this bogus. Love how so many in this thread freaked out and state they are jumping off of iCloud. People need to chill out and take a breath...and get some real facts.
 
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So....is there ANY real factual evidence to this story? You would think if it was real, this would be blowing up like crazy.

It has ONLY been reported here.


And by a brand-new account and confirmed by another brand-new account. I am calling this bogus. Love how so many in this thread freaked out and state they are jumping off of iCloud. People need to chill out and take a breath...and get some real facts.

Uhhhh... my account is hardly brand new. It's factual, but it's also been fixed in the past 24 hours, so no one else can "confirm" it at this point. All of my videos were corrupt when downloading from iCloud, and one of them had a photo of a girl in pajamas embedded in the middle of it, and another had a partial image of a wrestling mat in a gym somewhere.

A friend of mine who has some experience coding software said that his theory was that it could have been some kind of memory overflow error on Apple's servers that caused people's data to intermingle. I don't know. But all i know is that it's a "real fact," and absolutely not bogus.
 
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So....is there ANY real factual evidence to this story? You would think if it was real, this would be blowing up like crazy.

It has ONLY been reported here.


And by a brand-new account and confirmed by another brand-new account. I am calling this bogus. Love how so many in this thread freaked out and state they are jumping off of iCloud. People need to chill out and take a breath...and get some real facts.
So you're calling some liars here?

I haven't seen the problem, but proving a negative is impossible, so the jury is still out.

I don't use iCloud for storage like that, but when people say they experienced the problem, I tend give them the benefit of the doubt, and it's extremely serious if it really happened. As an IT manager, I take security breaches as extremely bad...
 
Pictures from strangers... LOL.

Shows "pictures from stranger" to wife. Wife suddenly goes silent for some reason.

Not saying anyone is lying, but I'm more of a Occam's razor sort of guy.
 
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