I'd like to remove Mac OS and install Windows 7

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  1. rightlyso macrumors member

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    Is it possible to remove the Mac operating system completely from a Macbook and just boot into Windows 7 as the sole operating system?
     
  2. jav6454 macrumors P6

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    Yes it's possible. But here is the kicker, why would you do that? (or want to)
     
  3. someguy macrumors 68020

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    Yes, it is possible. My only recommendation would be to use Boot Camp to dual-boot between OS X and Windows 7. Even if you never boot to OS X for anything else, it can come in handy if you ever have issues with the Windows installation and need an alternate OS to boot to in order to do repairs.
     
  4. djellison macrumors 68020

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    What does it matter. Perhaps he's sick of Safari and Flash, perhaps he doesn't like the finder. Perhaps he's tried Win 7 and likes it more than OS X (I do). Perhaps he's got apps that are Win only which he spends most of his time using.
     
  5. balamw Moderator

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    You should maintain the ability to boot into OS X in order to install any firmware updates and the like which are only released ro be installed in OS X. Fortunately, unlike Windows, OSX will boot from external USB/FW drives no problem.

    So before you wipe OS X off your Mac's internal drive, you might just want to install it on a large flash drive or external HDD. If the external is large enough, just use CCC or SuperDuper to clone your current install onto it. Otherwise, do a minimal install to the new, smaller media.

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  6. mpuck972 macrumors 6502

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    Windows will boot fine from a USB device with no issue. Use google and you can find out how, instead of posting something you obviously have no clue about.
     
  7. nefan65 macrumors 65816

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    BLECH!!!!!

    Friend mine just bought a new shiny laptop this weekend, and it has Win7 on it. He paid about $500 for the whole thing...good price, horrible system. I guess it's fine for Web/email/FB, but wow, not impressed. Used Windows 7 for a bit, and have NO idea what the hype is all about. Better than XP, but to say it's worth the $, or aggravation of upgrading, no way.

    I still think OS X is well ahead it of it so many ways. Oh, and the laptop he bought is using 64 bit. It didn't it boot any faster or run any faster than a copy of XP 32/Bit I had on an old DELL with 2GB of RAM.

    Oh well...those that like it, have fun.
     
  8. balamw Moderator

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    Funny! I actually have googled that recently to see if Windows 7 fixed the underlying issues with Windows boot from USB, but all I can find are threads and posts about the problems people have with installing Windows on an external using a variety of workarounds to make it happen in the first place.

    Windows PE and Windows Embedded don't count, because they are severely limited.

    There are several fundamental issues with running Windows from removable media none of which are present in OS X. The drivers Windows installs are customized to the machine it was installed on. Thus if you install on a removable USB drive and move that to another machine it won't necessarily have all the right drivers and will trigger the re-activation wizards. The main problem, however, is that during the boot process Windows wants to dump and reload the USB stack, but it can't if the boot device is on the USB bus.

    EDIT: You may be lucky if your BIOS will treat a USB drive as a fixed internal (this was a way that early USB boot was enabled by some hardware manufacturers.) but you will not get good performance this way.

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  9. spinedoc77 macrumors G3

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    Yep, that's how I run mine. No OSx at all, just all Win7. You do have to install bootcamp into Windows, I use 2.1 and every driver works out of the box.

     
  10. sladey macrumors regular

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    Why???

    After you've achieved that, can you help me convert my Ferrari into 1976 Datsun please?
     
  11. SAIRUS macrumors 6502a

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    I'm sure I've said somethings to get people a little steamed, but this thread is like hanging meat in front of a pack of starving lions. Have at it.
     
  12. Stridder44 macrumors 68040

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    +1

    This is generally the best course of action. Leave at least a very, very small OS X partition for firmware updates/repairs.

    Here's another kicker, why do you care?
     
  13. balamw Moderator

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    And if you don't have the room to spare, you can have OS X on some external removable media.

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  14. thejadedmonkey macrumors 604

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    Don't do it. you'll be miserable. What Apple doesn't tell you is that their drivers SUCK. So just don't bother. Sell the Mac, use the money to buy a cheep Windows computer. Then wipe the computer and reinstall a clean copy of Windows.
     
  15. djellison macrumors 68020

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    Grow up.

    Seriously.
     
  16. StruckANerve macrumors 6502

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    Grow a sense of humor.

    Seriously.

    Why would anyone pay the higher price for Mac hardware when they can get a much better machine for less?
     
  17. fiercetiger224 macrumors 6502a

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    This.

    Why waste money on a Mac if you weren't going to use OS X? I don't care if you want it for the pretty casing. It's just plain stupid.

    I use both Windows and OS X split, since I do web development, and have to develop websites for the god awful Internet Explorer. :rolleyes:

    I have to say after using Windows 7 for the past 4 months, that it's still not anywhere as good or as fast as XP. The interface is too distracting to say the least. When I first used XP for the first 4 months, I fell in love with it. Windows 7 is Vista 2. Nothing more, nothing less. Still has all the nagging, annoying notifications about updates, and restarting after updating. :p

    Since Apple is using EFI, it's up to Apple whether or not you can install just Windows on your machine. ;)
     
  18. bcrguy macrumors regular

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    if thats the case why did he (or you) buy a mac?
     
  19. RonaldMACDonald macrumors newbie

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    I think everybody gets sick and tired of something once in a while...

    Anyway, I'm new in this forum and will be needing all the help I can find from sensible and mac-experienced guys out there. My question is about drivers. I want to use Windows using Bootcamp. Do I have to install drivers? Or Bootcamp will take care of everything?

    Thanks and more power.
     
  20. djellison macrumors 68020

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    So I can use Keynote. That's my reason. Any other questions?
     
  21. balamw Moderator

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    Boot Camp consists of three parts:

    The EFI extensions that allow for BIOS/MBR emulation/booting other OSes: Included by default with all but the first Intel Macs. You definitely use/need this.

    Boot Camp Assistant: A re-partitioning tool that allows you to make room for Windows on your HDD as desired in this thread. You don't need to use this at all, especially in the case where you want Windows as the only OS on your HDD.

    A package of drivers to install within Windows: You don't need to use this, and can get many drivers from Microsoft or the hardware OEMs, but the Apple package doesn't make things easier and provides basic support for all of the hardware components.

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  22. MacFanJeff macrumors regular

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    I can't help but get amused at topics like this and see the replies from some people. Yes, this is an Apple web site talking about Windows but it always gets posts from some that have no idea about the FACTS and just want to post fanboy statements.

    Why I say this is because my computer is a tool, a very useful one at that, which does specific tasks I want to achieve. I actually TRIPLE boot my Mac Pro on dedicated drives for the OS I want/need to work in: Apple, Windows and Linux. ALL three have uses and have matured to the point where there is little not to like about any of them. If anyone is old enough to remember the good ole days when working with Unix, DOS and early Apple OS knows what I mean.

    We all have likes and dislikes about some OS, but it is mainly cosmetic or not a certain way someone likes to do a task. Windows 7 is a heck of an OS and the dock I find actually more useful than Snow Leopard. It reminds me a lot of the Apple dock with some real useful features. Also, both systems are now 64bit and when you get right down to the nitty gritty there is not much difference now. Windows has come a long way and so has Apple. So it really is not a major issue as to what someone uses anymore as most are not significant enough to really matter.

    One last point too is if someone has bought and paid for their items, then they can do with it as they please. But making claims that one OS is vastly superior to the other simply is no longer true with current releases. It's simply a matter of personal choice and what the user want/needs to use.
     
  23. RonaldMACDonald macrumors newbie

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    Nice point. Certainly agree. Everybody just wants to be cool nowadays.

    Anyway, balamw please forgive me for not really getting what you said, as I'm not really a computer literate.

    Actually, I haven't had Macbook Pro yet, but I'm planning to buy soon. Although I'd love to get a hand on OS X, I still want to use some useful apps from Windows (and perhaps run/install some PC-based games). That's why I want to prepare myself for the arduous task of installing Windows in a MAC so I will be able to dual boot from two systems. Unfortunately, I really have NO IDEA about BootCamp other than it says it would guide user to install Windows in a Mac.

    What I want to know is that what I SHOULD HAVE with me (other than the Windows CD) once I open BootCamp (which they say is included in OS X leopard, or I'm mistaken?). Do I need to install drivers for Windows too or BootCamp (the third part) will take care of everything?

    Thank you.
     
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