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Idle Android Devices Send Data to Google Nearly 10 Times More Often Than iOS Devices do to Apple, Research Finds
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Fun fact: Only SOME shitbox plastic throwaway Android devices are "hundreds less" than typical iOS devices; when the Android devices get closer to the same level of performance and features as the iOS devices, they cost the same, or even sometimes MORE.
So now what?
Sounds like a cool thing for home, but since we're talking about mobile phones, the most valuable data is being collected when you're out and about away from home.
do you know how many times we have complaint to android rumors , sorry Mac rumors to stop posting articles about android giving them publicity here, I'm not really sure if this page is bias to apple, it might seems that way but it is notInteresting the title of this story, Google devices send 10x the data to Google vs. Apple... Also, notice the website this is posted on macrumors.com (bias to Apple). Question is... does Apple devices send 10x the data to Apple vs. Google devices to Apple?...
why you think they are always posting things about android devices
the problem comes when they post something bad that is true
like exploding batteries and this thing that companies like facebook and google had going on
did I forgot to mentioned windows
just to be fair. I can neither confirm or deny if apple also do this
but I'm sure is much less
which is lead to believe that the post is true
they never said apple doesn't do it
it seems like they also do it but much less
how is that bias?
I'm not a troll I just hate social media
twitter, facebook, instagram etc etc etc
I don't exist I'm not even here
I've started "sandboxing" Facebook by running it in a browser (Firefox) that I don't use for anything else. I don't know if this is actually effective but I'm hoping it keeps my Safari cookies non-accessible to Facebook. Weird side benefit: for some reason Facebook messages are readable in Firefox on Facebook's mobile site, so I don't have to have the Messenger app installed.
He tried to, but there wasn't a Safari for Android.
And Open Source is absolutely NO guarantee that something will actually be seen, or more importantly, understood.
This research went the pragmatic route: Who cares what the code "says". What REALLY matter is what the code actually DOES.
...and he found out. Too bad the truth hurts!
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Keep telling yourself that...
They actually don't have better battery life. The Note 9 barely beats out the iPhone X, which has a much smaller battery. iOS is much better when it comes to battery optimization.
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Why would you just completely give up like that? Of course you are right, but to just throw your hands up and think "oh well they are going to track me anyway" isn't ideal. What's next? Cameras in your bathroom and shower? Cameras in your bedroom? Oh well, they're going to track you anyway right?
And before you say it's different because it's inside your home, don't forget we live in a world where everything is listened to via OK Google and smart speakers and who knows what else. No Apple isn't innocent but 1) at least their ask Siri only stores information when you consent to Siri listening, only audio in relation to a Siri request, and only stores this locally on the phone temporarily unless its deemed a true request then it's send randomized. and 2) Apple hasn't been caught blatantly lying about something like location tracking like Google recently was. Additionally things like IP tracking, web tracking, and even location tracking can and usually are inside the home as well. I'll bet they already know what room you are in, who you are talking to and what you are saying, the only thing missing is video, unless that's being captured through your phone. Yeah yeah I like my tin foil hat, but it's scary that those of us with tin foil hats are actually coming out more and more as correct.
I have been beating Fandroids over the head with this fact for about 2 years now. They just don't get the fact that a phone with twice the mAh capacity in their battery that only gets 10 more minutes in run-time MUST mean that the phone (and the OS) is also twice as power-hungry. Duh!
And it isn't only iOS (although Apple's almost legendary power-management doesn't hurt!), in iOS devices, it is primarily the fact that Apple's homegrown Ax SoCs are ridiculously more power-efficient overall than those nasty Qualcomm and Exynos ones in the Android junk.
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I hope, however, that this researcher's test was done with Safari not being "used", but STILL the frontmost Application (i.e. NOT "suspended"), or else it is a useless test.
Having said that, I assume that is the case, since IIRC, there is a "quadrant" of his test that involved Chrome running on iOS, which ALSO would have been Suspended if not the frontmost (Active) App...
I'm not giving up? I'm just accepting the reality of the situation. Also, I have a smart TV, and I accept the fact that there is probably some tracking going on with the apps I use and the shows I watch. Xfinity can build a profile of what it thinks I want to watch based on the info it stores from my DVR. The same way Apple's TV app can make suggestions. Those things are all part of tracking what we do online and on our devices. I don't take privacy policies at face value, and no one should.
At the end of the day people can think one company is invested in user security, and that may be true to an extent, but they are going to mine your data and take whatever they can learn from them for themselves, and use it to sell you future products. They want to know who you are and why you do what you do, so that they know how to keep your business. If that means invading privacy in certain areas, then so be it. I can go under system services on my iPhone and see what time I arrived and left a Burger King on a particular day. That's enough to creep most folks out on the surface because we don't really know what they are doing with such data.
Sure, assuming a couple of VERY important things:
1. There are no pre-compiled Binaries in the build (hint: There ARE)
2. The person(s) doing the looking know what they are looking for.
3. The person(s) doing the looking have enough time/discipline to look EVERYWHERE. (Hint: The number of decades-long vulnerabilities eventually found in Open Source code belies both this and #2, above).
3. There is no code obsfucation (hint: There probably IS, especially in something like this)
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That's one of the reasons that Android phones have HUGE batteries (generally about TWICE the mAh capacity of an equivalent iPhone), but only scant few minutes difference "runtime" compared to those same iPhones with half the battery capacity.
Could be a lot of that “SOME”:
FUNFACT:
Android fragmentation: There are now 24,000 devices from 1,300 brands
So now what?
How many are premium, and how many are ****box plastic throwaways.
...But it has TWICE the battery capacity; so OBVIOUSLY, it's doing SOMETHING with all those extra electrons...Doesn’t last much longer than an iPhone X
Think about it.
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To the credit card processor and your bank.
Apple isn't involved in the transaction in ANY way.
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And how much do they get from DuckDuckGo? You can choose their services, instead.
Google has done a good job of convincing everyone it's a tech company but it's really an ad sales company that just happens to use tech to sell ads. Bottom line, they can defeat Yahoo and Microsoft in selling online ads but against Apple? Not very much. Google has spent at least $20 BILLION dollars for a smartphone market share of 0.07%. Google can't even Amazon in tech (AWS kills Google cloud and Alexa outsells Google - but Amazon against Apple? Kindle and fire both fare badly in sales).
I’m confused I have duck duck go as the default search engine on my iPhone X.
I will admit, at this moment in time I'm like that.
So I drive to the beach, and my phone (google) knows I'm at the beach as I have location tracking turned on, and can then give me weather, travel, and info about and for my location.
I think that's great and really useful.
And no I don't really care either.
If it was a group of thieves knowing I was at the beach or people trying to mug me, then sure, I'd not want them to know.
But some corp many thousands of miles away, knowing it, and giving me useful stuff based upon my location then, I find it more positive than negative.
This is the reason Apple will never be as useful.
It would be the same in real life with real people.
If you keep where you are, and where you are going secret from everyone, then they can never give you any help.
Better get used to it, as location tracking will simply be a form of life in the future.
You mean that incredible Pixel smartphone, self driving tech, and "other bets" aren't huge revenue drivers?
Google is the next Microsoft. What I normally do with evil corporations like these is stop using their products. This is how they want to treat their customers, then they get no recognition from me. Totally lost all respect for Google a long time ago and deleted all their products and apps from my life.
Using your terminology, with Apple you are a product too. Just a cheaper one.
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It's not better. It would be better if it was doing as much as Android with less power. Instead it's doing less and uses less power. It's a valid choice but it has nothing to do with optimization.
The question is not if one is being tracked by Apple or Google or by how much and the frequency. The question is that you are being tracked by Apple even after paying a high sum for its devices. AndroidOS is on a variety of phones in cost ranging from low cost/entry to the price of the iPhone X. People when buying any Google product know their are being tracked.
The question remains if you claim that with Apple I am buying a product, why am I still being tracked.
What if I do not use Chrome. Let’s admit that Google Maps is used by many many people in both camps, are these people concerned about tracking by Google, possibly some however the benefits outweighs the privacy disclosed to find your way safely to your destination. With Apple Maps you are being tracked and you may end up in a ditch or off a cliff. I do not mind being tracked by Google Maps as long as I do go over a cliff.
FYI a user can turn off most of those location tracking services in Android, you have to dig a bit into the OS, however it is not hard once you figure it out. This is just an overreaction and I like using Apple products, I understand what I am using vice calling a foul.
I spent $150 on an AndroidOS phone, removed Chrome, turned off all the location settings and still paid a fraction for similar functionality of an iPhone (depending on model). Am I loosing sleep over this, nope. With iOS I cannot dig down into the OS unfortunately.
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People on MR believe Apple is a white knight and can do no harm, even after Apple is caught doing some shady stuff these people will back Apple as if their are on the board or receiving compensation. Don’t get me wrong I like Apple products and use them as well, however I have no problem calling any company out for their hypocrisy.
I concur AndroidOS has evolved faster compared to iOS, yet people here will still depend iOS, until it gains some functionality of AndroidOS that was available generations prior. Then the counter is oh well Apple is doing it better. Apple processors have so much power and capability compared to what is available on Android hardware, however iOS uses a fraction of its power and capability. It is a shame really.
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I use gmail (was a beta tester since its inception) and maps. Not really concerned about being tracked when using Maps, I much rather have an accurate product instead of a product that still tracks you and is not accurate.
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What I find is that almost everything with Google is a pet project, their will change names, merge a product/service or just cancel it all together. I am surprised that Maps and GMail has been around this long without any changed.
I wonder what makes [some] people so paranoid about Google collecting benign data? I doubt that most people want to hide something. The problem seems to be contained mostly to Apple centric forums. Goggle collecting location data allows them to provide better service to their customers. People share their experiences about the service they receive at different businesses, they "share" traffic data. When I search for a business on Google maps, it reminds me when was the last time I visited this particular business. Apple customers benefit too from the information collected by Android users because when they really need to find something they turn to Google maps. These are just some of the benefits of the 21st century infrastructure built by Google. I have yet to hear about a single issue with using Google products. This discussion is not an exception. Apart from childish claims about Android users being a "product" (as if being a product is necessarily a bad thing) was there ever an Android user who got hurt by Google? Any specific examples?
When I bought my great top of the line Samsung its price was almost half than the cheapest iPhone. When I bought a great Huawei Mate 10 Pro its price was less than half of an iPhone X.
At least be honest. But I know, Apple fan boys are not, they always bash Android without even knowing it. Nothing less than pathetic. And yes, I've been using Apple products since 1981. I still do. But an iPhone? Meh, no thanks!