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Maybe you need to learn how to use the phones? My Note 4 is on the second battery ($20 easy replacement). Last update was a year ago. It runs for months between reboots. It never had any issues with memory card (you just need to use the good ones). Note 4 was a really advanced model. Just compare it to iPhone X. Note 4 has:
* same RAM
* more storage
* same screen size
* higher pixel density
* Super AMOLED (iPhone just got one)
* S Pen (iPhone is rumored to get one this year)
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Nope. iOS simply does not allow background processes to do much. Also iPhones have smaller resolution. You may call it optimization but it's not. It's a design choice.
Yeah, stats don't matter...which Apple has proven with their dominance. It's all about user experience, which is awful on the Android run Note 4. Maybe TouchWiz ruins it? But it was awful. Absolutely hated that phone and I came from another Android, the Galaxy S3 which was miles better (I can admit it when it's true).

The same amount of RAM doesn't matter when Lollipop can't keep more than a couple things open at once and it hangs up, "unfortunately ____ has stopped" constantly, and the S pen "lasso" and "cut" features NEVER WORK WELL. NEVER! I tried so many times and it simply froze my phone. I had 2 of those damn Note 4s and factory reset both multiple times. The only gave me the new device because I kept telling them the battery life didn't improve on the 3rd or 4th replacement. The new one had better battery life, but the slow and buggy experience didn't stop.

The new Samsung battery replacement was so bad, I had forced shut down constantly with the battery being at 50% charge only to restart with <2%. Bootlooped constantly until the battery just died. Samsung was zero help. I finally realize now it was thermal throttling and the battery management was screwed up. Google Note 4 battery issues and unexpected shutdowns...and bootloop. Known issue.

Slow, buggy OS with no support or updates for 3+ years. When I finally got an iPhone X, the ATT finally pushed Marshmallow.

The screen absolutely looks better on the iPhone X. Better color reproduction, sharper, and just a flat out better experience. iPhone X had the best screen ever tested until the new Note 9...it's phenomenal.

Storage? Couldn't care less. I use iCloud for everything because it's so much more convenient than local storage where I have plenty if I need it. Love everything being available on my iPad instantly.
 
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Got a mate who just switched from Android to iphoneX. He was mocking me last Chrimbo re the privacy concerns of Android phones v Apple and now 8 months later he changed for that very reason.

He always used the "So what?" line re Google privacy concerns up until the full extent of their shenanigans were revealed a few months ago.

If an IT industry guy changes for privacy reasons, you can bet others in the industry are also thinking it.
 
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Got a mate who just switched from Android to iphoneX. He was mocking me last Chrimbo re the privacy concerns of Android phones v Apple and now 8 months later he changed for that very reason.

He always used the "So what?" line re Google privacy concerns up until the full extent of their shenanigans were revealed a few months ago.

If an IT industry guy changes for privacy reasons, you can bet others in the industry are also thinking it.
Still not a single specific example of privacy violations, just generic complaints about "shenanigans". Note that the research reported in this article is not about privacy violations, it's about data transfers. There could be a simple explanation for it: iPhone modem being slower and battery smaller hence Apple needs to limit data transfers to keep up with Android phones in battery life.
 
Oh c'mon - this could well be a a mistaken conclusion - its not black and white. Apple systems might do a disciplined less frequent update while ANDROID is stuck doing interactive frequent updates. But sum of info passed might be almost equal.



Idle Android devices typically send data ten times more often to Google than iOS devices do to Apple's servers, according to new research shared by trade association Digital Content Next.

In a paper titled "Google Data Collection," Douglas C. Schmidt, a computer science professor at Vanderbilt University, arrives at some stark conclusions regarding how much Google is collecting about consumers who use the company's products, even when they aren't interacting with their smartphones and tablets.

Among several findings, Schmidt's experiments found that an idle Android phone with Chrome web browser active in the background communicated location information to Google 340 times during a 24-hour period. An equivalent experiment found that on an iOS device with Safari open but not Chrome, Google could not collect any appreciable data unless a user was interacting with the device.

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In addition, he found that an idle Android phone running Chrome sends back to Google nearly fifty times as many data requests per hour as an idle iPhone running Safari. Overall, an idle Android device was found to communicate with Google nearly 10 times more often than an Apple device communicates with Apple servers.

As well as data transmission frequencies, Schmidt's research also turned up some of the ways that Google can potentially tie together anonymous data collected through passive means with the personal information of its users.

For example, on an Android device, so-called "anonymous" advertising identifiers that collect activity data on apps and third-party web page visits can get associated with a user's real Google identity by the passing of device-level identification information to Google servers.

The same goes for the supposedly user-anonymous DoubleClick cookie ID, which tracks a user's activity on third-party web pages. According to Schmidt's research, Google can associate the cookie to a user's Google account when a user accesses a Google app in the same browser that a third-party web page was accessed.

The research follows a recent investigation conducted by the Associated Press which revealed that Google continues to track location data even after a consumer has turned off the setting in many of its apps, including Google Maps.

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In response to a query about location history tracking, Google said that it is clear about its location policies, yet the company continues to collect data through app features that come under "My Activity" even when its "Location History" setting is turned off. The practice has since led to a class action lawsuit against the company by a user arguing breach of privacy.

Location information stored in "My Activity" is used for ad targeting purposes, which is still Google's primary business model. In contrast, Apple uses differential privacy to gather anonymous usage insights from devices like iPhones, iPads, and Macs, allowing it to crowdsource data from a large number of users without compromising the privacy of any individual.

Apple says the data it collects off-device is used to improve services like Siri suggestions, and to help identify problematic websites that use excessive power or too much memory in Safari, but the data is randomized before being sent from devices, so that its servers never see or receive raw data from users.

When users set up their device, Apple explicitly asks users if they wish to provide usage information on an opt-in basis. If a user declines, no data is collected by Apple unless they choose to opt in at a later time.

Apple executives have said several times that Apple customers are not the company's product, and Apple CEO Tim Cook has maintained that privacy is a fundamental human right. The company also has a dedicated privacy website that explains its approach to privacy, outlines tools available to customers to protect their privacy, and details government data requests.

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Idle Android devices typically send data ten times more often to Google than iOS devices do to Apple's servers, according to new research shared by trade association Digital Content Next.

In a paper titled "Google Data Collection," Douglas C. Schmidt, a computer science professor at Vanderbilt University, arrives at some stark conclusions regarding how much Google is collecting about consumers who use the company's products, even when they aren't interacting with their smartphones and tablets.

Among several findings, Schmidt's experiments found that an idle Android phone with Chrome web browser active in the background communicated location information to Google 340 times during a 24-hour period. An equivalent experiment found that on an iOS device with Safari open but not Chrome, Google could not collect any appreciable data unless a user was interacting with the device.

apple-android.jpg

In addition, he found that an idle Android phone running Chrome sends back to Google nearly fifty times as many data requests per hour as an idle iPhone running Safari. Overall, an idle Android device was found to communicate with Google nearly 10 times more often than an Apple device communicates with Apple servers.

As well as data transmission frequencies, Schmidt's research also turned up some of the ways that Google can potentially tie together anonymous data collected through passive means with the personal information of its users.

For example, on an Android device, so-called "anonymous" advertising identifiers that collect activity data on apps and third-party web page visits can get associated with a user's real Google identity by the passing of device-level identification information to Google servers.

The same goes for the supposedly user-anonymous DoubleClick cookie ID, which tracks a user's activity on third-party web pages. According to Schmidt's research, Google can associate the cookie to a user's Google account when a user accesses a Google app in the same browser that a third-party web page was accessed.

The research follows a recent investigation conducted by the Associated Press which revealed that Google continues to track location data even after a consumer has turned off the setting in many of its apps, including Google Maps.

google-data-collection-800x450.jpg

In response to a query about location history tracking, Google said that it is clear about its location policies, yet the company continues to collect data through app features that come under "My Activity" even when its "Location History" setting is turned off. The practice has since led to a class action lawsuit against the company by a user arguing breach of privacy.

Location information stored in "My Activity" is used for ad targeting purposes, which is still Google's primary business model. In contrast, Apple uses differential privacy to gather anonymous usage insights from devices like iPhones, iPads, and Macs, allowing it to crowdsource data from a large number of users without compromising the privacy of any individual.

Apple says the data it collects off-device is used to improve services like Siri suggestions, and to help identify problematic websites that use excessive power or too much memory in Safari, but the data is randomized before being sent from devices, so that its servers never see or receive raw data from users.

When users set up their device, Apple explicitly asks users if they wish to provide usage information on an opt-in basis. If a user declines, no data is collected by Apple unless they choose to opt in at a later time.

Apple executives have said several times that Apple customers are not the company's product, and Apple CEO Tim Cook has maintained that privacy is a fundamental human right. The company also has a dedicated privacy website that explains its approach to privacy, outlines tools available to customers to protect their privacy, and details government data requests.

Article Link: Idle Android Devices Send Data to Google Nearly 10 Times More Often Than iOS Devices do to Apple, Research Finds
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I don’t like this argument of “I’ve got nothing to hide but who cares”. Privacy should be important and we have a right to know how our data is being used, or what data is being collected. As Jobs said, that’s what privacy is — and if you’re aware of what they know and you’re fine with it, then that’s okay, providing you know what is being collected.

Apple take steps to ensure you know what data they collect and what this data would tell about you. Google take steps to continue mining your data even when you think you’ve disabled it.
Although APPLE could backfire, at some point, the myriad vulnerabilities
of Android - AND the fact that so many of my contact are on that platform, is freaky. Apple may be a tough nut in these times but who knows? I do NOT want penetrated devices/email lists to be weaponized to target me. I always tell my Android contacts to be careful - but so what? Some weird drop will make everyone on their contact list a target. Good GOD use a decent VPN, update constantly. Th biggest threat is those who have you on their contacts and in Android, it's an open book.
 
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It you don't mind me saying old fella, you seem very insistent on bashing Google over the head.. what's up, did they steal your girlfriend? Get over it already!!
Um, you might look at the entire focus of this Article.

You seem very insistent upon defending a multibillion-dollar corporation with a well-known (and well-deserved) reputation of collecting personal data on anything and everyone they can.
 
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I will admit, at this moment in time I'm like that.

So I drive to the beach, and my phone (google) knows I'm at the beach as I have location tracking turned on, and can then give me weather, travel, and info about and for my location.
I think that's great and really useful.
And no I don't really care either.
If it was a group of thieves knowing I was at the beach or people trying to mug me, then sure, I'd not want them to know.
But some corp many thousands of miles away, knowing it, and giving me useful stuff based upon my location then, I find it more positive than negative.
This is the reason Apple will never be as useful.
It would be the same in real life with real people.
If you keep where you are, and where you are going secret from everyone, then they can never give you any help.

Better get used to it, as location tracking will simply be a form of life in the future.

Absolutely, no use fighting it as it's inevitable.

So I get home after a long day at work, and my phone (google) knows I'm at home as I have location tracking turned on, and can give me the bad news about my overdrawn account, alert me that my Amazon package is soaking wet on the porch and let me know my daughter is out with that loser again. Thankfully Google has already provided targeted ads that can tell me I need an automatic camera/flood light because I get home in the evening, a private investigator and the spy store so I can spy on my daughter.
I think that's great and really useful.
So my wife gets on me about the late mortgage payment and fortunately my Google Home speaker is listening and pops up some great loan shark websites and the number of my local mafia union rep. Thankfully Google has already provided targeted ads for banks, credit unions and Tony T.
I proceed to yell at my wife because, well I'm just stressed, and as she begins to cry Google Home picks that up and sends us an ad about tissues, what a godsend. Thankfully Google has already provided targeted ads from counseling offices, my doctor, Walmart and complied with the authorities in case of pending domestic violence.
I jump in the shower, fortunately my cell phone camera can still see me and notices that weird rash on my private area and suggests an ad for an antibacterial cream and a dermatologist office, whew saved again. Thankfully Google has already instantly provided a targeted ad from Grindr, hmm well I'm not sure why but I'm sure it will be useful as I trust Google.
I make up with my wife and we start getting frisky, whew Google Assistant to the rescue again....baseball...baseball....not too soon... oh an ad for premature ejaculation, thank you Google!!

Yep, it doesn't get better than this!
 
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Absolutely, no use fighting it as it's inevitable.

So I get home after a long day at work, and my phone (google) knows I'm at home as I have location tracking turned on, and can give me the bad news about my overdrawn account, alert me that my Amazon package is soaking wet on the porch and let me know my daughter is out with that loser again. Thankfully Google has already sold this information instantly to a company that can tell me I need an automatic camera/flood light because I get home in the evening, a private investigator and the spy store so I can spy on my daughter.
I think that's great and really useful.
So my wife gets on me about the late mortgage payment and fortunately my Google Home speaker is listening and pops up some great loan shark websites and the number of my local mafia union rep. Thankfully Google has already sold this information to banks, credit unions and Tony T.
I proceed to yell at my wife because, well I'm just stressed, and as she begins to cry Google Home picks that up and sends us an ad about tissues, what a godsend. Thankfully Google has already sold this information to counseling offices, my doctor, Walmart and notified the authorities in case of pending domestic violence.
I jump in the shower, fortunately my cell phone camera can still see me and notices that weird rash on my private area and suggests an ad for an antibacterial cream and a dermatologist office, whew saved again. Thankfully Google has already instantly sold my information to Grindr, hmm well I'm not sure why but I'm sure it will be useful as I trust Google.
I make up with my wife and we start getting frisky, whew Google Assistant to the rescue again....baseball...baseball....not too soon... oh an ad for premature ejaculation, thank you Google!!

Yep, it doesn't get better than this!
Funny, but so you know - Google does not sell your information to anybody. Nor, obviously, does it take unauthorized pictures. You could have easily replaced Google in your post with Apple. Though it wouldn't have the same effect because we all know Apple software is dumb so they couldn't have achieved all these things even if they wanted to.
 
Still not a single specific example of privacy violations, just generic complaints about "shenanigans". Note that the research reported in this article is not about privacy violations, it's about data transfers. There could be a simple explanation for it: iPhone modem being slower and battery smaller hence Apple needs to limit data transfers to keep up with Android phones in battery life.
Do you know..google admitted recently that they ‘Read’ you mails and let other third party apps read your emails?( not AI reading, literally a human being read your mail to train AI). If this is not a privacy violation according to you, I would like to know what do you consider as a ‘Privacy violation ‘.
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Funny, but so you know - Google does not sell your information to anybody. Nor, obviously, does it take unauthorized pictures. You could have easily replaced Google in your post with Apple. Though it wouldn't have the same effect because we all know Apple software is dumb so they couldn't have achieved all these things even if they wanted to.
Google sells your information to third party vendors..read their blogs.
 
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and you know this...how?
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So tracking and mining my data when I pay them nothing...makes it okay?
Answering your question with a question.
What do you think other companies take?
Google:
Mines your searches
Mines your email
Tracks you
Mines your YouTube views
Mines your voice
Mines your photos
Mines your videos
Etc
Credit card company:
Uh purchases
Phone company:
Position and call log

Etc, etc
 
Correct, but that doesn’t mean I need to make matters potentially worse and use products or services that only exist to collect and monetize my information. As I mentioned, it’s not about fear or paranoia, there are many reasons why Apple is better platform choice for me. I just value my privacy, and that aligns with Apple. I have no problem with you giving up your information to Google, that’s your choice. Everyone has different values when it comes to the products they purchase.

This.

I may not be able to prevent myself from being tracked altogether, but I can at least take steps to mitigate this. Such as using Apple maps over google maps to prevent google from getting a complete picture.

iCloud mail over gmail.

DuckDuckGo over google search.

Safari over chrome.

At least there are alternatives.
 
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Funny, but so you know - Google does not sell your information to anybody. Nor, obviously, does it take unauthorized pictures. You could have easily replaced Google in your post with Apple. Though it wouldn't have the same effect because we all know Apple software is dumb so they couldn't have achieved all these things even if they wanted to.

Sure they do. It's in the guise of anonymized information that Google keeps, but lets advertisers serve ads according to those trends, which they pay money to Google to do. Theoretically the information doesn't exchange hands, but it still accomplishes the task of having a targeted ad that fits your information. But here's a secret...shh...my scenario was sarcasm and not real.

But what about when that data isn't anonymous? https://techcrunch.com/2018/03/18/r...gle-for-area-based-user-data-to-solve-crimes/ Granted that is LE and not a profit company, but it still is interesting, especially in light of the big lie they were just caught in related to location tracking.

We're also not privy to the system of anonymizing data. It's been said that it's easier to couple anonymous data such as location data with a specific person. Just something as simple as matching an address where the anonymous person is in most of the time with public mortgage information, as one example. What about when this information is coupled with religious habits, political habits, etc. Anyone who thinks this is only about shopping is extremely naïve. It just takes one listen to the news and what's been going on politically and who has hacked us for specific political outcomes. What about military bases https://gizmodo.com/fitness-apps-anonymized-data-dump-accidentally-reveals-1822506098

We also don't really know how well Google protects our data from outside developers through apps. I just saw on the front page Apple banned Onavo (facebook) because it was collecting data from apps you use and websites you visit. How many "Onavos" are there on Android? Who knows.

Certainly this issue isn't only Google, that's just the subject of this particular debate.
 
When you swipe that apple pay where does that data go?

Nowhere. Apple doesn’t get it. Credit card people don't get it. Just you and the merchant.

Card issuer get a charge. Apple attaches their portion of the tokenized string to complete the sequence so they get a rebate from the card issuer like any payment processor would. Apple is the payment processor.

Purchase history stays on your device. IIRC, it’s not even synced across iCloud to your other devices.
 
Um, you might look at the entire focus of this Article.

You seem very insistent upon defending a multibillion-dollar corporation with a well-known (and well-deserved) reputation of collecting personal data on anything and everyone they can.

What's up, do they pay your paycheck?

Stop Shilling and get over it already!!
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Call me paranoid but I never leave any apps made by Google or Facebook running in the background when I’m not using them.
Paranoid!! Do you not think they can do whatever thry want when apps are in the foreground as well...
 
While the tin foil hat crew see this one way I see it in a very different light. I turn on all location tracking and don't try to stop Google from seeing anything I do, after all I have nothing to hide. I love how the information Google gathers is used to give me a customised experience. If one day something terrible happens due to Googles practices I might change my ways but till then i'm embracing it!
 
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Yes, Apple is better than Google about privacy, that’s for sure. Too bad lots of people who use Apple products also happily use Facebook, worldwide famous for its fantastic privacy policy. Oops!
Plus Google also does some interesting R&D. Apple? Not that much, some. Facebook? Zero. I tried not to use Google as search engine, several times in fact, but always reverted back to it because it’s the best available. Same story with Maps. About how translations? It’s always Google. So it’s not just evil, let’s be fair and have a more balanced approach. Unfortunately on this board manichaeism and religion wars often prevail. They lead nowhere, but unfortunately Apple fan boys seem not to be able to understand this. Apple is best, period. Always. By definition.
 
And when people scoff "well Android phones are cheaper", this is part of the reason. With Apple, you buy a product. With Google, you are the product.
LoL you didn't even read the article. It's basically a comparison of how much data Chrome collects on Google's own platform vs how much data Google collect with Safari.
Yeah the numbers are shocking.
 
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Nobody read the report fully? :p The more important point...not the deceiving headline

In conclusion, on daily typical use (without using Google apps) on iphone, Google still manage to collect huge amount of info from iphone. There is no way to escape unless you dont use your connected phone at all.



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They actually don't have better battery life. The Note 9 barely beats out the iPhone X, which has a much smaller battery. iOS is much better when it comes to battery optimization.
LoL again that absurd iphonearena chart.
It's basically the only site that shows the iphone in a competitive way in terms of battery life(or there was one more site that would only stress the power efficient cores most of the time). Users have contested iphonearena's battery scores for years and they never did anything to address their questions.
 
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Two different business models, both have their pluses and minuses. Either you pay crazy high prices with huge margins to fund Apple services, or you buy Android devices that tend to be hundreds less then Apple, yet you get higher quality services like Google Maps and Google Photos. Yet you have to give up some data so that advertisers can direct more relevant ads towards you, they don’t know who you are just your someone that likes xyz. Personally I am fine with both models, no harm is being done. Google and Advertising companies don’t know me personally, I trust their security more then anyone else’s. So I have an iPhone with a bunch of Google apps because they are the best. It’s nice having options :)

If you think no harm is being done, maybe you’ve missed how targeted ad platforms are being exploited to sow division by bad actors all across the globe.
 
Nobody read the report fully? :p The more important point...not the deceiving headline

In conclusion, on daily typical use (without using Google apps) on iphone, Google still manage to collect huge amount of info from iphone. There is no way to escape unless you dont use your connected phone at all.



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Or don’t use chrome.

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Funny how you underlined everything but that little nugget.
 
LoL again that absurd iphonearena chart.
It's basically the only site that shows the iphone in a competitive way in terms of battery life(or there was one more site that would only stress the power efficient cores most of the time). Users have contested iphonearena's battery scores for years and they never did anything to address their questions.

What’s wrong with the phones arena chart.

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Phones arena is an android fansite.
 
Google is so gross.

Of course, not as slimey as Facebook with Zuck and Sheryl Samberg, but google is morally corrupt in their own right.
 
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