If everybody lies...

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  1. callmemike20 macrumors 6502a

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  2. upaymeifixit macrumors 6502a

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    Maybe I'm not thinking about this as hard as you are but, if 1+1=2, and I, and everyone else for that matter, say 1+1=11 then 1+1 still equals 2. Right?
     
  3. lbro macrumors 6502a

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    If everybody lies and says the earth is square, does it mean that the earth will become square?

    NO
     
  4. StephenCampbell macrumors 65816

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    Well, in a philosophical sense, if everybody on earth believed lies, how would anybody know that anything else could be true? For example, if everybody on earth believed that Barack Obama was actually named James Smith, would his name "really" still be Barack Obama? I don't think so. It would then be James Smith, because in this case even the original "reality" was simply an agreement among people.

    But other things are harder to think of that way. For example, the location that Barack Obama was born will stay whatever it was, no matter what people believe, but again, in a philosophical sense, as far as any sentient being in the universe (as far as we know) is concerned, he was born wherever humanity agrees he was born, and when all of humanity agrees on something, we can't know anything else. In our world it would then be true in a sense, that he was born wherever we all say he is.

    In this way, we can't really know that Any of what we collectively agree on is true, because our collective agreement of it makes it feel true, and therefore we can't know anything else.
     
  5. callmemike20 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Excellent point.

    Follow up question...

    Do we really exist?
     
  6. StephenCampbell macrumors 65816

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    I think Something exists. Within energy and consciousness, forms can arise through which awareness sees itself, but beyond that none of what we have made up exists. These made up things include our names, identities, the separation between us, our jobs, etc. Basically everything that we can describe with language, and the concepts that we supposedly "understand," (whereas what's actually happening is we are Creating these concepts), are not real. Our identities aren't real. So in a sense, in terms of the way most people think of themselves existing, they don't exist, but I think there is Something which we can call "energy," although, with that being another label, and that label being the only door through which we can hold any mental understanding of it, we still can't really have any idea what it actually is.
     
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    is that like a false positive
     
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    There's no such thing as a coincidence.

    So, we are basically just pieces of energy performing routines ("going to work," "eating," etc.). However, our minds believe these things have meaning.
     
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    You mean, "true negative"?
     
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    A lie, by definition, is the telling of an untruth. For one to lie, one must know the truth, and then tell the untruth. If everybody lies, then everybody thus knows the truth, but disseminates the untruth, yet the truth still exists. However, if the lie begins to be believed by everyone, it becomes the collective reality, albeit a collective delusion.

    At one time everybody knew the Earth was flat. It, however, was never flat.
     
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    I like this way of thinking about it. In everybody's own mind it became truth, but in reality it was not. People only believed it was. Same applies to everything.
     
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    Is this Waloshin in disguise? :confused:
     
  15. callmemike20 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I don't even know who Waloshin is. In fact, I don't even making this thread last night. I guess I was in a deep thought.
     
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    Then, there be no arguments to be won, truth is just what we perceive and/or understand as being right. That may be the right way to do it, but what if there is no way to prove it so? Then how is it true?

    /mental meltdown
     
  17. Rodimus Prime macrumors G4

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    Well in grey code 1+1=11 and is very true.

    I have spent way to much time in binary this week.
     
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    You and me both... also...
     

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  19. callmemike20 thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    That doesn't even equal out.
     
  20. jav6454 macrumors P6

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    It's not supposed to.
     
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    He must be off today and hired the OP to be a pinch hitter.
     
  22. skiltrip macrumors 68030

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    Pretty much.
     
  23. racketeer71 macrumors regular

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    ERROR: Division by zero.
     
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    That was exactly my first thought. This sounds like a Waloshin thread.
     

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