If Home button is under screen, how will users exit the app


joeblow7777

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Probably the same way many Android phones have managed without a physical home button, with a virtual home button that is on-screen, even while in apps.
 

hasanahmad

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From what I've read, nothing will be able to use the bottom of the screen is that's going to be more of a control area.
that sucks then. it wont be the whole screen will it. I don't want another magic bar. there will be a lot of false touches in that area
 

Relentless Power

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Folks may slam Apple from time to time... but they really do have people smart enough to make sure this does not happen. does anyone really think they are that stupid?
I don't think anyone here thinks Apple is "Stupid." I do think others wonder because they have no knowledge of how the embedded home button will operate, which leads to questions similar to this thread. Apple has everything figured out, as they will have the technology ready when the iPhone 8 releases.
 
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deuxani

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I want it to be usable area when watching videos and looking at pictures.
But then you can't go back home in one click. The Android way is to slide up to reveal the navigation bar and then click home (I personally hate this, two steps to go home). On iOS this wouldn't be possible as sliding up will invoke control center. Also, I think the idea of always being able to go home in one click is the most important iPhone UI principal there is as the entire OS is build around it.

I think we will see a permanent home button or navigation area on screen all the time. I think it might look a bit like this:



Or maybe completely blacked out like this:

 

off_piste

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But then you can't go back home in one click. The Android way is to slide up to reveal the navigation bar and then click home (I personally hate this, two steps to go home). On iOS this wouldn't be possible as sliding up will invoke control center. Also, I think the idea of always being able to go home in one click is the most important iPhone UI principal there is as the entire OS is build around it.

I think we will see a permanent home button or navigation area on screen all the time. I think it might look a bit like this:



Or maybe completely blacked out like this:

I'm willing to give up having a one click home for the times I'm watching video or looking at pictures. The extra screen real estate would make it worthwhile imo.
 

deuxani

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I'm willing to give up having a one click home for the times I'm watching video or looking at pictures. The extra screen real estate would make it worthwhile imo.
I think the usable screen area will be 16:9 and as most videos are already in that aspect ratio, I can't imagine them giving the user access to the full 18:9 (or whatever it's going to be) and hide the home button area.
Also, rumour has it that the finger print scanner under the screen area which Samsung was testing is showing different colours than the rest of the screen. If Apple has the same issue, it would be solved if that screen area was not used for anything else but the home button and finger print scanner.
 

off_piste

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I think the usable screen area will be 16:9 and as most videos are already in that aspect ratio, I can't imagine them giving the user access to the full 18:9 (or whatever it's going to be) and hide the home button area.
Also, rumour has it that the finger print scanner under the screen area which Samsung was testing is showing different colours than the rest of the screen. If Apple has the same issue, it would be solved if that screen area was not used for anything else but the home button and finger print scanner.
If that's the case then I see almost no benefit to having a scanner under the "screen." Just keep the depression like the 7/7+.
 
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robertopod1968

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But then you can't go back home in one click. The Android way is to slide up to reveal the navigation bar and then click home (I personally hate this, two steps to go home). On iOS this wouldn't be possible as sliding up will invoke control center. Also, I think the idea of always being able to go home in one click is the most important iPhone UI principal there is as the entire OS is build around it.

I think we will see a permanent home button or navigation area on screen all the time. I think it might look a bit like this:



Or maybe completely blacked out like this:

Well I have the Galaxy S8 and I get right to the home screen by tapping the button on the glass. And I can swipe from the top and change any setting I like. I can even change the order that those quick settings are in. The virtual buttons do disappear when in video mode so you can enjoy the full screen. It just eliminates the worthless bezels. I'm hoping Apple makes a big leap forward with the 8 or they are going to be left in the dust real fast. Tech waits for no one.
 

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On my old Nexus the on screen navigation bar at the bottom would go away on videos and photos. However it would remain on most other apps since one of the downsides of Android is the sheer amount of different devices therefore devs usually do not bother to update something for just "one device"
 

robertopod1968

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How is that a downside? If the controls go away for videos, isn't that better than having huge worthless bezels to house buttons that never go away?? I mean at least you get video screen space instead of an inch of just frame.
 

itsmilo

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Speaking of other Apps where it remains on screen at all times since those apps were never updated to support it
 

twinlight

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The obvious solution is tearing off the screen and use the button beneath it.. :rolleyes:

I'm hoping for some form of touchbar at the lower level of the screen and if this is the case, Apple will make it smart and adaptive. Wouldn't suprise me if you get a seek bar or volume bar in landscape mode.
 

robertopod1968

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Speaking of other Apps where it remains on screen at all times since those apps were never updated to support it
Right. But on the iPhone there is no choice. The bezel and buttons are always there. So are you saying it's better if there isn't really even a choice at all?
 

CaptainChunk

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that sucks then. it wont be the whole screen will it. I don't want another magic bar. there will be a lot of false touches in that area
I don't see what the big deal is here. The current 7 (regular size, anyway) has about 0.6" of bottom bezel that serves no function other than being the home button area. Android handsets (other than Samsung) have done without a physical button at all for years in the form of back, home and task soft keys. When I was still using Android phones, I never had much of a problem with accidental button presses on the bottom region of the screen. I think an adaptive touch bar on the bottom of a phone would actually be a very good feature, if implemented properly.
 

Superrjamz54

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Well I have the Galaxy S8 and I get right to the home screen by tapping the button on the glass. And I can swipe from the top and change any setting I like. I can even change the order that those quick settings are in. The virtual buttons do disappear when in video mode so you can enjoy the full screen. It just eliminates the worthless bezels. I'm hoping Apple makes a big leap forward with the 8 or they are going to be left in the dust real fast. Tech waits for no one.
The virtual buttons might disappear in video mode, but they are still actually there and unless you have a stretched video playing with reduced quality all you have is an extra black bezel with a badly placed fingerprint scanner on the back. Tech stops for no one after all. I have both a seven plus and a s8+.
 

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I'm willing to give up having a one click home for the times I'm watching video or looking at pictures. The extra screen real estate would make it worthwhile imo.
I haven't heard anybody suggest that the home button appear in normal use but landscape mode it hides. If youre watching a video, its gone, but reappears when you rotate your phone.