Poor decisions, they just said they could have done background processes, but then y'all would be here complaining about the even worse battery life.
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Poor decisions, they just said they could have done background processes, but then y'all would be here complaining about the even worse battery life.
First of all, the Pre even though it may be a nice phone will not get too far since it is on Sprint. Second, the iPhone is too fine a phone to be knocked off by the Pre, the Pre has some nice features but no where enough to die for features to knock off the iPhone.
If you label your phone an "iPhone killer" you have already lost. If you label it an "iPhone alternative" you might be getting somewhere and that way when you fail to generate huge numbers you won't look as bad. 
But really, the iPhone has only been out a few years and already we have a graveyard full of challengers.
IF, and that's a biggin'...IF the Pre even slightly dents into iPhone sales, it will only push Apple to better the iPhone even more, which they would probably do anyway.
But really, the iPhone has only been out a few years and already we have a graveyard full of challengers.
IF, and that's a biggin'...IF the Pre even slightly dents into iPhone sales, it will only push Apple to better the iPhone even more, which they would probably do anyway.
Actually, they can stop it. Due to copyright laws, patents and plain old locking down of hardware, I cannot modify their code or run a unique OS on the iPhone. It's locked.
But what are you suggesting? Accepting what Mother Apple offers us without qualms? Should we not voice an opinion? If we don't like it, we should go to M$ or WebOS?
I'm saying that in the past, the Mac Community has pushed Apple to create better products. This shouldn't be different. It's part of a community. Listening to people, improving, listening, improving...
Maybe I'm naive, but I think that community should still exist in some form.
So do you think you deserve the choice or do you think you should voice your opinion?
Because the two are different and I agree with the point about voicing your opinion.
I have a lot of family and friends who are developers and/or own iPhones. Some want more dedicated application buttons along the bottom front face. Some want buttons on the top and bottom face for playing games. Some think the iPhone's home button should be a directional pad for gaming. Some think it should be a clickable trackball. Others people want a physical keyboard. Some think the number keys should be included in the standard on-screen keyboard. Some want background applications. Some want haptic feedback. Some want a dedicated camera button. Some want the 30-pin connector on the side. Some think they should drop the 30-pin connector for straight USB. Some think they should bring back a firewire 30-pin connector. Some want dedicated iPod buttons somewhere on the device. Some want flash built-in to Safari. Some think there should be more than eight safari tabs. Some want push-to-talk. Some want voice dialing. Some think it should have stereo speakers where the ear speaker is instead of one speaker along the bottom edge. Some want a flash for the camera.
I'm sure some of those may arrive sooner or later. But imagine if Apple gave everyone their choice. You'd have more phone models than Samsung and LG together.
If background applications are the killer feature vs push notifications then the iPhone will fall. But, I don't want you thinking I'm an Apple defender, I just understand Apple designs their products with a purpose and I either buy it or I don't. But when Apple has legitimate flaws, not design decisions, I'll call them on it. I received at least 50 emails and PMs thanking me for creating AppleServedUp.com(use with iPhone) when the original iPhone was having problems. Every one of those people used it to get an Apple Genius to exchange their phone - as did I, twice.
Anyway, I don't think we're ever going to see eye-to-eye on whether it's Apple's design choice or yours that matters.
^ Good post, plus as is evident on these forums, even when people get what they want they often find a way to be disappointed just the same. Likewise, what one person wants will inevitably disappoint another (i.e. the ability to turn off auto correct). Apple has to walk a careful line in terms of granting the most useful (and desired) functionality to the most people. This is no simple task, and I think Apple has done an exceptional job thus far (considering the sales of the iPhone, and the fact that most owners are quite happy with their purchase). That doesn't mean that there aren't basic (or nearly universally desired) features that should be added, but it does suggest that people should take a moment and consider that the iPhone wasn't designed for you (as in you're not the shining center of the universe).
Gawd, if I see another one of these "iPhone killer" threads, I'm gonna' slap the dogstuff outta' myself for reading and responding.....
Well, i don't think there's even a choice its apples design or nothing. I guess that's why people jailbreak to get what they want.
i think the biggest threat to the iPhone's touch capability will remain the Blackberry Storm since RIM has a huge market share in the smartphone market. palm is on its last legs and i think it's too little too late from what i've seen of the youtube videos. also, i doubt there'll be much application support - and that's the key.
Just look at apples app store, it started off with some apps and now has thousands. I think there will be plenty of apps for the pre, you'll have people out there that want to make a quick buck weather the apps useful or not.
It depends on whether it sells, you think developers just develop for the sake of developing. Already Skype has said they will have to wait and see to see if it sells to develop for it, you think if Apple hadn't sold a bucketload of iphones and ipod touches, people would be developing for it.
How long should battery life last? I can get two days out of my iphone before I need to recharge (most times when I recharge its down to about 25%). That is pretty good. How much battery life do you get out of the other smart phones?
The thing that is really concerning me in making Push-Notification service useless is if i have say an IM client, a twitter client and another program all sending me text updates .... am i going to have to dismiss dozens of sms style pop-ups?
The pre solution of a notification scrolling ticker seems to be a much more fluid one
The pre solution of a notification scrolling ticker seems to be a much more fluid one
Doesnt IM+ have them all combined. So you wouldnt have to worry about that? And I think some chat clients push to email.
The ticker is one of the improvements I do see on Pre, though Apple could easily implement a new notification style after they realize how many pop-ups people will be getting. Additionally, for each application, users can choose to allow or disallow badging, sounds, and alert messages individually.
Still, I don't think I'd want twitter bouncing across a ticker that often, much less as Apple's pop-ups. As many tweets as I see come across, I'd think that would be one of the most offensive background applications - I'd pretty much have a constant internet connection active.
Also, many of the apps I use are full screen. I don't know how Pre's ticker behaves in full screen applications. I don't remember a video of that...
Most people who complain about iPhone battery life just don't realize how much they actually use the device. The BB Bold and the iPhone are pretty close in actual battery life, with the iPhone having more talk time (double if using 2G) and only 24 hours less standby (hardly significant when you're talking about 12 days of standby).
I agree 100%. However, in controlled tests they give about the same results. With no uses outside of the tested feature (voice or standby), the two are roughly equal.
Once you start using the device results are all over the charts. I play Scrabble all the time with my girlfriend. For what appears to be a very simple game, it drains my battery as fast as, if not faster than anything else on the iPhone.
Typically, I do not see the 20% warning by the time I charge at night and I use my iPhone very frequently.
I can't see that the iPhone will get "killed" tbh.
There have been better phones out previously (even before the iPhone came out) yet whether its due to Apple's marketing or the ease of use of the iPhone I'm pretty sure it will remain successful.
If there are any dips in the sales of the iPhone I'd say its probably down to people holding off for the "new and improved" model
There have been better phones out previously (even before the iPhone came out) yet whether its due to Apple's marketing or the ease of use of the iPhone I'm pretty sure it will remain successful.
If there are any dips in the sales of the iPhone I'd say its probably down to people holding off for the "new and improved" model
I didn't realise the Pre and the iPhone were having a fight.
All the iPhone competiion is good for making Apple add things to the iPhone, but pre-iPhone (as in before iPhone), there were hardly any touch screen phones; hardly any phones in a similar shape and design... and now they are popping up everywhere.
I just look at these phones and laugh a little.
The iPhone has the best UI on the market. End of story. The Pre might do more, but it does it worse.
This is what I would like to have on the next one.. Just a little camera button on the side. Would be great.