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The Apple Watch has that same "unwanted app" affliction that the iPhone has. Useful space is taken up by things you'll probably never use. What would you get rid of, if Apple gave you the option?

My list:

Activity
Breathe
Health
Heart
Maps
Music
Photos
Apple Pay (remove from Apple Wallet)
Workout
Nike+ Run Club

What’s stopping you from customizing your watch faces so they don’t display any of these? You can simply choose to not set up or use the apps on this list. It’s not like they are using a lot of the watch’s storage. I don’t really use the Breathe app, so you won’t find it on the watch faces I use.

Most people buy the Apple Watch specifically to use some of the apps in your list, but fortunately we can all customize our own watch faces to feature the apps we want to use.
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Primary functionality for other people, not for me. A watch is supposed to tell time, or perform time-related functions. Alarm, timer, stopwatch. Thats it. Anything else is just a bonus.

I think its neat that it can let me see my messages and emails, that I can pull up boarding passes on it, and that I can talk over it. I don't need to use it to pay bills or buy things (thats what cash is for, and cash does not contribute anything towards learning databases that parse my purchase history). I don't need a watch that can control my home. I have a remote to open my garage, it doesn't communicate with my network, and its not crackable. My home appliances work just as well by talking to some central server and offering up metadata on my daily routines. I don't have locks that I (and anyone else) can open remotely. If I'm not at my home, those doors don't need to be opened. I don't have cameras pointed around my house, giving up every last shred of my personal life and conversations to a cloud server. I don't have a thermostat set up to monitor when I'm home and report the details of I definitely don't have my phone or my watch set up to tell my house (and the server in between) that I'm leaving that house, on my way to the house, or on the other side of the state away from my house. No one needs to know that information.
I think there is a concerted push in the tech world to make people comfortable with giving up the details of their lives in return for technological convenience. These companies want to know everything about us, every last detail. I've written pretty extensively about it and what I see as the end result. I don't like it. Based on your posts, you're obviously quite happy with it. By all means, continue on. You don't need to respond any further here.

BTW: "pedantically"? You misapplied the word. I think you meant "irrationally". but you ended up projecting instead.

Mmmaybe you should give the Breathe app a try. Just sayin... ;)
 
What’s stopping you from customizing your watch faces so they don’t display any of these? You can simply choose to not set up or use the apps on this list. It’s not like they are using a lot of the watch’s storage. I don’t really use the Breathe app, so you won’t find it on the watch faces I use.

Most people buy the Apple Watch specifically to use some of the apps in your list, but fortunately we can all customize our own watch faces to feature the apps we want to use.
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Mmmaybe you should give the Breathe app a try. Just sayin... ;)

What is interesting that the OP probably doesn't know, is that the information in the AW IS stored in the cloud, including all of the personal information, his/her iCloud account, etc, etc. The apps may not be being used, but they are still hooked into the cloud.. (Waiting for OP's head to explode! LOL)
 
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Even though the Apple Watch is a fitness device I would like to delete the activity app. I use third party apps for running and strength training. The native workout app is useless to me.
 
Again, then the Apple Watch doesn’t appear to be for you (Which perhaps you just don’t want to accept that given you own one). The features included are _not_ a bonus, it’s a watch that is meant to bring a variety of convenience tools and health monitoring in the technological era that we live in. Rather you choose to utilize those tools or not is your own prerogative, however; it’s exactly how Apple intended it to be.

My statement had nothing to do with what Apple thought was appropriate for a Watch, and everything to do with what I thought was appropriate for a Watch that would attract me to buy that particular Watch. I wanted a good-looking timepiece that adds a few convenience functions. I don't live my life around how much of it I can put on a cloud and reduce to metrics. You do, thats fine,

You’re misinformed. Apple Pay Doesn’t ‘parse’ anything. It’s a completely secure form of payment with data encryption standards through randomized code. Not everyone carries cash with them, we live in an era where I suspect the majority resort to using a debit/credit card for payments when in public places, Apple Pay is a completely secure network. If you choose to pay cash for your items, that’s your prerogative, you don’t have to use Apple Pay, even though I trust Apple Pay over using my debit card, due to which has a higher potential that _could_ be skimmed.

I carry cash, and the only time I use a debit card is at a branch ATM. I don't care what the majority does. I don't trust Apple with the data any more than I trust any other company or institution. It doesn't matter how encrypted it is, the data is there for their use, just like any other company. They may or may not do anything with the data now, but you have your head in the sand if you think Apple is some kind of benevolent company that will not find a use for that data in the future. Especially with Goldman Sachs running their new card operation for them.

Based on these five post(s) above, this goes well beyond the logic as you make it appear ‘I don’t like certain features on my Apple Watch’, when you appear to be the type of individual that believes the ‘world is out to get me’ from my perspective.

Ok, straw man argument, and nice framing to steer perception. Add that to the numbers arguments elsewhere in this post and you're building some ethical fallacies that would make Edward Bernays proud.

If I were you, I’d be far more concerned about all the other ways your information could be potentially abducted versus owning an Apple Watch with certain features that you choose not to use. There seems to be a lot of details that are not mutually exclusive from your concerns in your posts versus what an Apple Watch has the option of using.

You're just not getting it. I am not simply worried about any company or any possibility, but rather more worried about the fact that the information is out there in the first place, and much more worried that not only are companies making it so easy to give it up but that people just don't understand whats going to happen here. You seem to think that its just about what financial info someone can get from something, or perhaps identity theft. Its a lot more detailed, deeper, and darker than that.

When you use the word ‘companies’, I don’t think it’s necessary to group Apple into that specific category. Yes, there are ‘companies’ that do extract data, but I don’t believe Apple is one of those companies to the extreme of ‘They want to know every last detail about us’, especially when they value your privacy more than any other tech company in retrospect. If there was one company that I do trust my information with, it would be Apple. It’s good to be guarded and self aware, but I definitely believe you have very misguided logic when you’re saying ‘every last detail’.

Call it misguided if you want, but I'm still waiting to see any logic out of you.

Apple is part of "these companies", because they have access to our data, and they set their new gear up to vacuum up as much of that data as possible right out of the box. Its opt-out now, instead of the opt-in of just 5-6 years ago. Try and start up a new iPhone without having the iCloud account vacuum everything out of a restored backup. Turn off all the iCloud permissions, sign out and back in, and most all those permissions are back on. Why? Wait - don't answer that. I really don't want to deal with any more of your diversions and non sequiturs.

The Apple Watch is a good experience for what it offers, I find the fitness features and the health monitoring to be mature and dynamic. But since you’re visiting an Apple Watch forum, I also gather almost 99% the users are here are ‘happy’ with Apple Watch, not just me.

Numbers again. If we were in a group having this discussion right now, in person, you'd be looking at everyone around you while you say this, with a smirk on your face, and nodding with everyone to generate agreement. Your posts make me feel like I'm dealing with an 8th grader.

This is completely unnecessary. You’re involved in a discussion, you replied to my post, you telling me ‘not to respond any further here’ is inappropriate and really would be the complete opposite of why you’re participating in your own thread if you’re telling others not to respond.

Thats laughable. I simply wanted to know what people would delete from their Watch if they could do so. Similar threads have gone on in various forms for years here, for things like the MacOS and iOS. People have talked about that as far back as Windows95, actually. While some people might say "just ignore the unwanted stuff and move on" I don't ever recall reading a post where someone came in and said "maybe you shouldn't have bought it". I don't recall anyone ever trying to make it about the poster's world view or outlook. I didn't make the post to get personally attacked or belittled. So I wanted you to know that I was fine with how you deal with your own tech (I'm not here to try to change your mind - take a note from that, you'll have a happier life), I'm aware of how you use your gear and that you're ok with more compromises in your privacy than I am with mine, so move on. Please.

Nope. I was projecting, but not overly. Irrationally is not the word that would be appropriate in your situation, pedantically easily describes your thought process on the Apple Watch and how you believe your information could be potentially hijacked:

Here is a more literal example:

{‘Sill’ is pedantically worried using certain features on the Apple Watch will allow their information to be potentially hacked/stolen/abducted/infiltrated due to companies that want to ‘know every last detail about them’.}

I think, again, that you're not applying the word correctly. A pedant is a person overly obsessed with the details in any given event or process. I'm not overly concerned with the details. I just care about the end result. Maybe you just saw the word "detail" in your sentence and figured "hey, 'pedantically' would work here".

Put your "Word of the Day" calendar aside.
 
What’s stopping you from customizing your watch faces so they don’t display any of these? You can simply choose to not set up or use the apps on this list. It’s not like they are using a lot of the watch’s storage. I don’t really use the Breathe app, so you won’t find it on the watch faces I use.

I personally don't want the software in the Watch in the first place. Saying "just take it out of the face" is like saying "I don't trust the camera in my computer, I won't go to any web sites that would use it". Its still there.

Mmmaybe you should give the Breathe app a try. Just sayin... ;)

Maybe you should give the Activity one a try. I think you've been sitting here too long.
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What is interesting that the OP probably doesn't know, is that the information in the AW IS stored in the cloud, including all of the personal information, his/her iCloud account, etc, etc. The apps may not be being used, but they are still hooked into the cloud.. (Waiting for OP's head to explode! LOL)

LOLOLOLO!!! OMG SO FUNNT!!!!

What personal info would that be? The time of day? My iMessages?

At least I don't have my entire health history stored on there, don't have an app telling me when to sit, stand, breathe, run, compete, etc. I don't have a Watch tied into appliances all over my home giving up every part of my day.
 
@Sill

In your above post that you replied to me, there’s nothing worth of substance whatsoever replying to, as it’s full of juvenile remarks and incoherent ramblings. You managed to derail your own thread and dismiss everything others have emphasized/clearly explained to you that A.) Either clearly either don’t understand, or B.) Have misguided conceptions of what the Apple Watch is (Or all the above), thus clearly shows in your replies you’re uneducated on the operations of the Apple Watch .

I think Apple would even agree with what I have to say, but you’re _not_ a target demographic for the Apple Watch, let alone any smart watch, because you don’t have an appreciation/fully understand to what it actually has to offer in its capabilities that you seemingly believe should be removed because it ‘collects your information’ and ‘tech companies want to know everything you do’.

It’s obvious that you’re pedantically worried about your personal credentials being abducted, but since you’re on the Internet, I’d say there is a solid chance that someone already knows more about you than your Apple Watch does.
 
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In your above post that you replied to me, there’s nothing worth of substance whatsoever replying to, as it’s full of juvenile remarks and incoherent ramblings. You managed to derail your own thread and dismiss everything others have emphasized/clearly explained to you that A.) Either clearly either don’t understand, or B.) Have misguided conceptions of what the Apple Watch is (Or all the above), thus clearly shows in your replies you’re uneducated in how iCloud stores your information.

I think Apple would even agree with what I have to say, but you’re _not_ a target demographic for the Apple Watch, let alone any smart watch, because you don’t have an appreciation/fully understand to what it actually has to offer in its capabilities that you seemingly believe should be removed because it ‘collects your information’ and ‘tech companies want to know everything you do’.

It’s obvious that you’re pedantically worried about your personal credentials being abducted, but since you’re on the Internet, I’d say there is a solid chance that someone already knows more about you than your Apple Watch does.

This isn't Twitter, so I'm not certain why you had to put the '@' in front of my s/n. Maybe you're confused about where you're at? Your responses certainly read like it. I think its pretty telling that when I break your posts apart into logical fallacy you get offended, and you respond with hyperbole and ad hominem. My ethics teacher would have had a party with your posts, as they're like a fallacy checklist.

I'm pretty well versed in how iCloud works. I fail to see anything incorrect in anything I've said about cloud storage. You on the other hand, continue to illustrate my point: you're enamored of technology and its convenience, and you have no problem trading your privacy for any of it, to the point of cognitive dissonance. As if to give me a perfect example of this, you tell me I shouldn't have the Watch because I don't understand what it offers. In reality, I know exactly what it offers. Its very exciting, very enticing. The price of that excitement is privacy, plus the per unit cost of the Watch. You can't deny that so you turn it around into "you just don't understand". You're like a textbook example of the perfect customer for any cloud service company.

You keep building straw men, right down to your last few paragraphs. You've singlehandedly turned a simple discussion about what any person here might want to remove from the Watch into a free-for-all attacking my personal choices. Troll behavior.

Finally (and I really hope its finally, because I find you pedantic in the actual, literal, dictionary sense of the word as a person who is obsessed with minor details to the point of not letting go - and I really wish you would, but I figure there's at least one more response from you where you claim the moral high ground in some way that is logical only to you. Or failing that, you contact a mod because yet again someone on the internet took away your squeaky toy) I really would like you to tune out of this discussion, as you have nothing to add other than to try to justify your own choice by mocking mine. I didn't come in to this discussion to do that, but to discuss what people would like to delete from their Watch if they were given a choice. You were the one who changed course. You've killed my thread, so thanks a whole bunch. Go.
 
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LOLOLOLO!!! OMG SO FUNNT!!!!

What personal info would that be? The time of day? My iMessages?

At least I don't have my entire health history stored on there, don't have an app telling me when to sit, stand, breathe, run, compete, etc. I don't have a Watch tied into appliances all over my home giving up every part of my day.

We all get to decide where our personal lines are when it comes to what terms we are willing to accept in exchange for services and conveniences, but I think you are expecting too much from devices (watchOS and iOS) that are designed to know you and to interact with cloud services that also know you and your habits (to varying degrees). You might be able to maintain a relative amount of off-the-gridness if you disable location services, cloud storage and sync, and use apps anonymously (or connect them to email addresses other than your personal one). You could go even further by purchasing a conventional analog watch and a not-so-smart flip-phone (perhaps even a pre-paid burner).

Apple introduced the Apple Watch as their most personal device ever. You can only expect to go so far towards making it impersonal. At least Apple has a more privacy-centric TOS agreement than most tech companies. This is especially true when it comes to health data, which is HIPAA protected anyway. The EU has also introduced the General Data Protection Regulation that is sending ripples throughout the IT industry. California is one of several states working on similar legislation, which means it is likely that we will see some movement at the federal level as well. It's difficult to say what impact GDPR-type legislation will have on our technology and cloud services, but I think it's safe to say that there will still be trade-offs that you as a consumer have to make for yourself.

Apple actually does allow you to remove built-in apps, but the Health app is not among them. I suppose this is because the Health App is a unique database that is leveraged by many third party apps (but only after you grant them read/write permission to specific data types). It's also probably so people don't accidentally delete their health data. If that's not enough for you then I'm not sure these devices are a good fit for the way you wish to interact with your technology.
 
We all get to decide where our personal lines are when it comes to what terms we are willing to accept in exchange for services and conveniences, but I think you are expecting too much from devices (watchOS and iOS) that are designed to know you and to interact with cloud services that also know you and your habits (to varying degrees). You might be able to maintain a relative amount of off-the-gridness if you disable location services, cloud storage and sync, and use apps anonymously (or connect them to email addresses other than your personal one). You could go even further by purchasing a conventional analog watch and a not-so-smart flip-phone (perhaps even a pre-paid burner).

You make a valid point. Its up to the individual to decide where their boundary is at, and that what I try to do in my approach with any technology that I adopt. Your advice is almost perfectly parallel to what I do, though I go a few steps further. I have never once used location services, though Apple helpfully tries to turn it back on under certain circumstances, like when I buy a new phone. Likewise I have never used iCloud, except for when it comes on automatically during certain activities. As I've mentioned earlier, even with all services turned off in iCloud, if you sign out and then back in, it enables quite a bit of the sync stuff. Not only are the few apps I've installed not tied to any of my email addresses, my phone and cable itself are in 3rd party names not connected to me. I'm betting I can still be tracked to a certain extent, mostly based on shadow profiling from those few less-than-optimal friends and business associates who fell for the Google and Facebook pitch of "let us upload your contact list and we'll find your friends for you!" but since I have little to no transactional information, zero health information, and I spread my emails by category across several accounts, I'm not making it easy on them. I also have never used point to point Nav.

Speaking of that, I don't recall a way for Maps to synchronize with iCloud, yet when I look up a location on my iPhone, that location more often than not shows up in my recent searches on my home iPhone, which is always my discontinued previous model. That concerns me. I have to wonder if thats happening as a result of iCloud or if its something more benign, like Handoff.

Apple introduced the Apple Watch as their most personal device ever. You can only expect to go so far towards making it impersonal. At least Apple has a more privacy-centric TOS agreement than most tech companies. This is especially true when it comes to health data, which is HIPAA protected anyway. The EU has also introduced the General Data Protection Regulation that is sending ripples throughout the IT industry. California is one of several states working on similar legislation, which means it is likely that we will see some movement at the federal level as well. It's difficult to say what impact GDPR-type legislation will have on our technology and cloud services, but I think it's safe to say that there will still be trade-offs that you as a consumer have to make for yourself.

I hear you, but personal data has become such a carrot to tech companies that I can't help but wonder if such a thing as contract law will actually keep Apple from accessing that data for either their own benefit or those of "partners". Forgive my cynicism, but when our own elected officials complain about the Constitution being "just a damn piece of paper", I have to wonder.

I'll start believing them when legislation gets under signature banning the use of shadow profiles, and perhaps giving people a simple way to "opt-out" of any shadow databases. Perhaps "enter your email, click here, click on the link we send you and its done".

Apple actually does allow you to remove built-in apps, but the Health app is not among them. I suppose this is because the Health App is a unique database that is leveraged by many third party apps (but only after you grant them read/write permission to specific data types). It's also probably so people don't accidentally delete their health data. If that's not enough for you then I'm not sure these devices are a good fit for the way you wish to interact with your technology.

I've already considered that. I mean, I really am on both sides of this argument, as well as walking all over the line between them. That consideration is the reason that I've accepted Apple not deleting discarded or outdated apps from any user IDs. They don't want to deal with people saying "I swear! I paid for that app!".

Then again, haven't they retroactively deleted apps because they weren't "acceptable"? Amazon has done that with books, editing and/or removing them from their tablets, and I'm pretty sure Apple did something similar.

BTW, thanks for the calm and well-reasoned post.
 
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The Apple Watch has that same "unwanted app" affliction that the iPhone has. Useful space is taken up by things you'll probably never use. What would you get rid of, if Apple gave you the option?

My list:

Activity
Breathe
Health
Heart
Maps
Music
Photos
Apple Pay (remove from Apple Wallet)
Workout
Nike+ Run Club
The fact that you’re getting so much counter opinion here just says to me that different people have different requirements and to my mind gives weight to my number one wish for WatchOS. I understand why some apps might not be deletable because they might be referenced from some other bits of WatchOS so deleting them might break stuff but with that in mind I would at least like a way to hide any app so that it doesn’t appear in my app launcher. I would be happy to manage that in the Watch app on my iPhone so no extra UI would be required in the Watch Settings section.

Since you asked though, all but 3 on your list are important apps to me that I wouldn’t want to delete (or hide). My list would be....

Music
Photos
Nike+ Run Club
App Store (I’ll manage Watch apps from my iPhone)
Podcasts
Sleep
Stocks

Now, if a future version of WatchOS did what I want and allowed me to hide apps so that they didn’t show up in the app launcher but were still on my device then in addition to the above I would hide but not delete a few extra apps because I always launch them via complications so would prefer not to have them cluttering up the app launcher. Those apps are...

Calendar
Weather
Maps
Phone
Messages
Contacts
Activity
Blood Oxygen
ECG
Workouts
Calculator
World Clock
Timer
Alarms

(Yes, more apps/complications than can fit on one watch face. I have multiple watch faces installed that I can swipe right/left from my main watch face to get to.)

After all the above deletions and hiding that would leave me with an app launcher with only about 10 Apple apps plus whatever other apps I have installed from the app store. Way more manageable that how it is now.
 
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The Apple Watch has that same "unwanted app" affliction that the iPhone has. Useful space is taken up by things you'll probably never use. What would you get rid of, if Apple gave you the option?

My list:

Activity
Breathe
Health
Heart
Maps
Music
Photos
Apple Pay (remove from Apple Wallet)
Workout
Nike+ Run Club
Worthless sleep app
 
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Sill, sorry to read the bashing you got for this thread.

I am looking for a basic wrist-mount communicator, capable of:

Phone calls
Messages (iMessage, SMS)
Make, change, delete, and mark complete reminders through Siri.
Calculator
Time functions
Pair to AirPods and listen to music and podcasts
3rd party apps of my choosing.

Sounds like Apple Watch, right? Indeed, the SE cellular would fit the bill, but I want one without the health sensors even present in the device to allow more room for battery, and to have that much less hardware drawing power (even if “disabled”). And, I want it to be a completely standalone device that will REPLACE an iPhone, not complement it. Surely, it shouldn’t be too difficult to offer a variant of the watch without health sensors, a larger battery (have the room without the sensor array), and a full modem in it vs. a data-only modern so it can be a phone completely on its own.

We’re not all health-oriented folks, but I still want some of the watch features without being forced to having the device collect health stats.


You're right about the health sensors. There could be so much more battery storage in the Watch if Apple would stop putting "here ya go" features in there. They could easily double the battery size by putting a standard back plate on there. The only thing about that, there's no way for the thing to tell when you've put it on your wrist then. I'd say build a contact sensor into the case itself, but that would present a moisture risk.

And the more I considered that sensor array, I have to wonder just how much biometric data Apple is gathering now. The fact that they ensure you can't use anything but the time function itself unless you have those sensors active and in contact with your skin really intrigues me. I recall that 17 years ago Disney was validating their annual passes using bone density scanners at their park entrance turnstiles. Moore's Law and all that means this Watch could do a lot more than that.

The metaphor/type between the two (Disney/bonescan validation, and Apple/mystery biometrics) is pretty astonishing. Same basic enticement: look at all the cool things you can do if you just participate and offer up your most private health information.

Thank you very much for the kind response, btw. Your list is nicely pared down and pretty close to mine. I'd add Wallet because I traveled so much (not one bit since the wheels came off civilization earlier this year) and it was extremely cool to have my boarding passes on my wrist.
 
The fact that you’re getting so much counter opinion here just says to me that different people have different requirements and to my mind gives weight to my number one wish for WatchOS. I understand why some apps might not be deletable because they might be referenced from some other bits of WatchOS so deleting them might break stuff but with that in mind I would at least like a way to hide any app so that it doesn’t appear in my app launcher. I would be happy to manage that in the Watch app on my iPhone so no extra UI would be required in the Watch Settings section.

I agree wholeheartedly, and I'm sure that just about everyone out there has their own use case. I don't mind a spirited discussion, but at the bottom of it all I just wanted to know what people would delete.

Since you asked though, all but 3 on your list are important apps to me that I wouldn’t want to delete (or hide). My list would be....

Music
Photos
Nike+ Run Club
App Store (I’ll manage Watch apps from my iPhone)
Podcasts
Sleep
Stocks

I just don't understand why Apple put the Photos app on there. It automatically grabbed some of my photos the first time I set up my Watch. I never was asked, it just did it. They were so small they were useless to me. Maybe it should have a magnifying glass that pops out of the case when you turn that app on. :)

My wife has an Apple Watch but she's small-featured and the Watch isn't comfortable for her to wear to sleep. She has sleep difficulties so she purchased a competing sleep monitor, I can't remember the brand but I'm sure it spies on her more than I'd be comfortable with. Every morning she gets a detailed summary, and she can pull up detailed long term reports on the app on her iPhone, which I'm certain communicates all that personal data to the cloud since you have to have an account to use the app. At the end of all this, the report produces a beautiful graph that indicates - wait for it - she has sleep issues.

Yes, we knew that. How does that help?

I know podcasting is a big thing, but I personally have never been able to get into it. Overall it seems like talk radio. I'm home more often than not now, but I still can't make time for that. Its funny, but I downloaded an interview Steve Jobs did at MIT years ago, and I guess you could call that a podcast. He was always one of my favorite speakers and you'd think I'd have memorized it by now, but I never got past a few minutes of it. Of course I also have a movie collection that rivals Warner Bros, but I just can't find time to sit still for any of it. Too busy, and trying to learn. What kind of podcasts do you listen to?

Now, if a future version of WatchOS did what I want and allowed me to hide apps so that they didn’t show up in the app launcher but were still on my device then in addition to the above I would hide but not delete a few extra apps because I always launch them via complications so would prefer not to have them cluttering up the app launcher. Those apps are...

Calendar
Weather
Maps
Phone
Messages
Contacts
Activity
Blood Oxygen
ECG
Workouts
Calculator
World Clock
Timer
Alarms

(Yes, more apps/complications than can fit on one watch face. I have multiple watch faces installed that I can swipe right/left from my main watch face to get to.)

After all the above deletions and hiding that would leave me with an app launcher with only about 10 Apple apps plus whatever other apps I have installed from the app store. Way more manageable that how it is now.

I personally like how the app selector is laid out, and since I can't delete anything I can at least push the unwanted stuff to the fringe where it belongs and then zoom the selector in to where that stuff is off the radar. But I think that people are eventually going to have a lot of apps built up on the Watch, and eventually the new app shelfs or whatever Apple calls those things in iOS, they're going to have a version available for WatchOS.

As far as hiding the apps, that doesn't work too well with me. I hide that cursed Activity app on my iPhone every time I notice it, but when I use my Watch, the app helpfully restores itself. Now it no longer disappears, I just get the icon with the cloud download tag on it. I've since learned to put all the icons in a Crap folder, which at least has the feeling of showing Apple the "bad finger", but I'd rather they were just gone.

It cracks me up that Apple makes it seem like those apps (Watch as well as iPhone) are integral parts of the OS. They're not. Trying to say that "Podcasts" can't be deleted from my iMac because the system counts on it is just ridiculous. After decades of mocking Microsoft for their DLLs, now we have that same thing from Apple?
 
I've got to update this list now that I'm on Watch 5 with whatever the latest WatchOS is.

Activity
Breathe
Health
Heart
Maps
Music
Photos
Apple Pay (remove from Apple Wallet)
Workout
Nike+ Run Club

new additions:

Calendar (see below)
Radio (it has 4 stations that I would not listen to. And when I select "Stations", it tells me there's a problem. Great feature.. Doesn't get much better than that.)
Find People
Walkie talkie
Noise (I have a dB meter on my iPhone, and the mic on the phone is so much better)
App Store (I agree with MrTSolar above)
Audio Books (same reason I don't want a Podcast app)
ECG (health data is a no no)
Camera (I have no idea why I'd need a Camera remote)
Cycle Tracker (I'd say what need would a man need for this, but then I read a lot of Twitter and.... to each, their own)

Believe it or not, I still don't see a Podcast app in there. I guess I should be glad.

I decided to open a few apps I never use. I started with Maps, to see if maybe it would mirror whatever I looked at on my iPhone Maps, like all my home devices do with my supposedly not-connected-to-iCloud phone. Nope. I just get a screen that says "Search" and "Location". And hang on, a message popped up that said "Collections", and under that "my places". I tapped on that, and 3 addresses popped up that I've never been to. Well, that sure is helpful.

I tapped calendar, hoping that I'd get an actual calendar. When I look at a calendar, I'm trying to figure out what day falls on a date, or to do a quick visual calculation of how many weeks until I need to do something. Not with this one. All I get is "Today 26 No Upcoming Events". The actual most useful part of that is the icon for it which has the Date, which I have in my complications anyway. Yep, delete that one too.
 
You can delete almost every stock app from the watch.

When did that happen? I just tried it, and though you're incorrect - most of the stock apps have no delete 'x' - I was still able to get rid of some. Thank you for pointing that out!

We're still stuck with all of the activity stuff, and I don't get why I could delete ECG but not the heart rate monitor. Funny that I can't delete Audiobooks, but I can delete almost all of the time functions from a watch. Seriously - Timer, Stopwatch, and Alarm can all be deleted. From a Watch. But I can't delete "Find My" or Audiobooks. Gotta wonder about that.
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I’d delete one of the digits to the left of the decimal in the price tag.


You sir, have won the thread.
 
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