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If you ordered two watches...

I ordered SG sport 38mm at 12:03am but by the time I received confirmation email the date had slipped to 4-6 weeks. After mulling around I saw that the 38mm white was the only sport still showing available in the first wave so I ordered it. I then cancelled my original SG order.

It's not that I don't like money, however flipping for profit is not my style. And since it appears I will get my watch earlier instead of later I won't say much. However, those who bought watches and their only intention was to flip them I feel are being less than ethical.
 
I ordered 2 because I wasn't sure which I wanted until seeing them at the store on the 10th. After trying them both on I made my decision and cancelled one. Making the watch available to see prior to the start of pre-ordering would have eliminated a lot of double orders and then cancellations/returns.
 
rjlawrencejr said:
I ordered SG sport 38mm at 12:03am but by the time I received confirmation email the date had slipped to 4-6 weeks. After mulling around I saw that the 38mm white was the only sport still showing available in the first wave so I ordered it. I then cancelled my original SG order.

It's not that I don't like money, however flipping for profit is not my style. And since it appears I will get my watch earlier instead of later I won't say much. However, those who bought watches and their only intention was to flip them I feel are being less than ethical.
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I'm not doing it, but I don't see it as unethical either. Everyone has the right to order 2 per household. What's the difference if they buy one for their family/friend or someone else who's in the market but couldn't get an order? Likely many people here who are stuck waiting till June have taken a look at some postings.

If someone wants to tie up their money, do the work to post ads, deal with shipping, payment details, and the headache in general then I see no harm.

They take the risk that maybe they won't even find a buyer. I'm glad Apple has such a small order limit to prevent people from abusing the system. In this case I don't think there is any malicious intent
 
MattXDA said:
Sitting safely in my bank account
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I know you that you're rolling in cash, but that buyer can easily file a chargeback anytime. PayPal doesn't give a crap about taking the money from your bank account. They usually side with the buyer without much evidence.
 
bevsb2 said:
I ordered 2 because I wasn't sure which I wanted until seeing them at the store on the 10th. After trying them both on I made my decision and cancelled one. Making the watch available to see prior to the start of pre-ordering would have eliminated a lot of double orders and then cancellations/returns.
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Those are my sentiments exactly. I'm not sure why Apple didn't do that but I believe it would have been great if they had offered the Try On before pre ordering began. That makes perfect sense to me. Not sure of their reasoning for scheduling the try ons after pre ordering started.
 
Sonmi451 said:
There are 2 types of people in the world. Normal people, and scalpers who have no soul and would sell their own child for a few dollars profit.
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Actually there are two people in this world: Those that understand how a free market with supply and demand, and those that don't.

Sorry dude, if someone wants to take the risk by buying a watch they intend to sell on the open market that's their choice. Not yours.

But hey, throw in a "who have no soul and would sell their own child for a few dollars profit" to make your target look evil to sell your point. You must be a true intellectual!
 
urda said:
Actually there are two people in this world: Those that understand how a free market with supply and demand, and those that don't.

Sorry dude, if someone wants to take the risk by buying a watch they intend to sell on the open market that's their choice. Not yours.

But hey, throw in a "who have no soul and would sell their own child for a few dollars profit" to make your target look evil to sell your point. You must be a true intellectual!
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Scalpers tend to get very defensive when you call them out for what they are. A bunch of price gouging selfish human beings. That's what happens when you worship money above all other things.
 
Sonmi451 said:
Scalpers tend to get very defensive when you call them out for what they are. A bunch of price gouging selfish human beings. That's what happens when you worship money above all other things.
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Are you able to have a civil discussion without trying to just demonize your target party, or are you going to continue to misbehave like this?

Like it or not if someone wants to attempt to turn their money, into more money (that's called investing, in case you haven't heard of it) that's their option.

It's not your decision on how they should spend their money. Get over yourself.
 
To be honest, eBay scalpers are doing great. Saw a 38 mm SS Black Sport Band ($550 price) go for $860 on eBay. Seller listed date as first wave and stated the range. They said they will ship when the product arrives (no guarantees). And they said immediate payment.

Honestly, some people don't care about the money and just want these things so badly. I'm not for scalping, but I guess it's just supply and demand
 
Sonmi451 said:
There are 2 types of people in the world. Normal people, and scalpers who have no soul and would sell their own child for a few dollars profit.
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HA!

This has to be the stupidest comment I've read in a long time. Those are really the two parties of humanity as you see them? Scalpers are the true face of evil, morally deformed and perverse? What ridiculous unlettered nonsense.

And no, I am not and have never been a scalper.
 
One might argue, those who are willing to pay twice the price probably deserve the watch a little more than the people who couldn't set an alarm clock to order theirs as soon as they were able to and cry because "the scalpers are the reason I didn't get my regular priced watch on release day. WAAAHHHHHHH"

There is limited supply and as such, not everyone will get one. Why are those who are willing to pay more for the watch less deserving and why is providing for those buyers such a crime? Even if there were ZERO SCALPERS, there would still be a shortage. Scalpers aren't creating the shortage. Honestly, I see NOTHING wrong with this at all. People should really try to reason before complaining.
 
zmunkz said:
HA!

This has to be the stupidest comment I've read in a long time. Those are really the two parties of humanity as you see them? Scalpers are the true face of evil, morally deformed and perverse? What ridiculous unlettered nonsense.

And no, I am not and have never been a scalper.
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If you can't decipher hyperbole you shouldn't be on the Internet.

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urda said:
Are you able to have a civil discussion without trying to just demonize your target party, or are you going to continue to misbehave like this?

Like it or not if someone wants to attempt to turn their money, into more money (that's called investing, in case you haven't heard of it) that's their option.

It's not your decision on how they should spend their money. Get over yourself.
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There's no discussion to be had scalpers are sub human. I am over it but you brought it up so I wanted to let you know my opinion.
 
papa8706 said:
I'm not doing it, but I don't see it as unethical either. Everyone has the right to order 2 per household. What's the difference if they buy one for their family/friend or someone else who's in the market but couldn't get an order? Likely many people here who are stuck waiting till June have taken a look at some postings.

If someone wants to tie up their money, do the work to post ads, deal with shipping, payment details, and the headache in general then I see no harm.

They take the risk that maybe they won't even find a buyer. I'm glad Apple has such a small order limit to prevent people from abusing the system. In this case I don't think there is any malicious intent
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I was really talking about people who never intend from the start to keep an item they know is in short supply and gobble up stock with the intent of making profit. However, if you happen to order two and the second one you realize you no longer want or need and there's an opportunity to sell it, then yes, I guess that is OK.
 
Sonmi451 said:
There's no discussion to be had scalpers are sub human. I am over it but you brought it up so I wanted to let you know my opinion.
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Thanks for confirming that your analytical, reasoning, as well as debate skills are null. This isn't a middle school playground, you need to show up with facts and reality or, well there's the door out.

Now, if you would like to be treated like a fair and understanding user you need to step your game up.

Try again next time.
 
mistertomlinson said:
One might argue, those who are willing to pay twice the price probably deserve the watch a little more than the people who couldn't set an alarm clock to order theirs as soon as they were able to and cry because "the scalpers are the reason I didn't get my regular priced watch on release day. WAAAHHHHHHH"

There is limited supply and as such, not everyone will get one. Why are those who are willing to pay more for the watch less deserving and why is providing for those buyers such a crime? Even if there were ZERO SCALPERS, there would still be a shortage. Scalpers aren't creating the shortage. Honestly, I see NOTHING wrong with this at all. People should really try to reason before complaining.
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No arguments with your post, though I would add that those who pay more for the watch on the secondary market just have the resources to do so and others like Lagerfeld don't have to buy at all. Nothing to do with deserving the watch (or causing the shortage). :)
 
Oh boy, people are way too sensitive about scalping. Is it a bit sleazy? Maybe. But it's perfectly legal, NOT evil, and actually a pretty good way to make a little extra money. It's just a watch, people. More stock will eventually come. Don't like scalping? Don't buy from a scalper.

Evil would be buying up an entire stock of food, or water, or air, or some other necessity and then selling it back to everyone else at inflated prices. Again, this is just a watch. You don't need this.
 
Okay, let's be real. For example, I have an Apple Watch SS with a Black Sports Band on preorder that I probably don't need. That is $650 tax included. It looks like this model is averaging $800 on ebay with free shipping, ranging from $700 to $900.

So let's do some math:

Sold for: $800
Subtract: -80 (eBay Fee)
Subtract: -24 (PayPal Fee)

Total: $696

In other words, $46 of profit. The cost of the risk of selling on ebay alone is multiple times that. Anyone doing this is stupid.
 
pnewelljr said:
Okay, let's be real. For example, I have an Apple Watch SS with a Black Sports Band on preorder that I probably don't need. That is $650 tax included. It looks like this model is averaging $800 on ebay with free shipping, ranging from $700 to $900.

So let's do some math:

Sold for: $800
Subtract: -80 (eBay Fee)
Subtract: -24 (PayPal Fee)

Total: $696

In other words, $46 of profit. The cost of the risk of selling on ebay alone is multiple times that. Anyone doing this is stupid.
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I sold the $500 (in UK) 42mm Sports for $800, resulting in a total profit after fees of $300 (I am a business seller and don't pay huge fees, it's capped at £20).
Is it stupid if you make a $300 profit?
 
I didn't plan on ordering 2 watches, but the 38mm just looks so small in person, that I'm leaning towards the 42mm.

I have a 155mm wrist and I have yet to decide which to keep.

The 38mm in in the May 13-27 window and the 42mm just says June. Both are Sport models with sport band.

I have also considered selling both and buying the stainless steel instead.

Decisions, decisions...
 
MattXDA said:
I sold the $500 (in UK) 42mm Sports for $800, resulting in a total profit after fees of $300 (I am a business seller and don't pay huge fees, it's capped at £20).
Is it stupid if you make a $300 profit?
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I guess things are different if you sell internationally and are a business seller. My example only pertains to US based base level sellers I guess.
 
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