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And on that note, I swear 1/10 cars on the road has at least one low beam that's out of adjustment and blinding, how does this even happen? People turning the wrong screws when trying to replace a headlight themselves? I can't imagine them going out of adjustment on their own, if anything the screws would get crusty as time goes on and harder to move.

Stock headlights can't really move, nor can the housings.

If they go out of adjustment, its normally due to the housing bowing or cracking and that moves the position of the bulb. The worst of the crop are older VWs, that just have really ****** housings that will eventually bow and crack just from engine bay heat and the bulb itself, though that was corrected years ago.

The other reason is if someone buys the wrong bulb that still fits in the same connector, but is to big, to small or the wrong shape for the housing, and that causes the issue to.
 
Flash of high beams means a cop is ahead of me and on/off to tell me to turn my lights on.

You got it. Can't tell you how many times I'll do the "TURN YOUR LIGHTS ON IDIOT" flick of the low beams and I'll see the brake lights come on in the rearview.

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Stock headlights can't really move, nor can the housings.

If they go out of adjustment, its normally due to the housing bowing or cracking and that moves the position of the bulb. The worst of the crop are older VWs, that just have really ****** housings that will eventually bow and crack just from engine bay heat and the bulb itself, though that was corrected years ago.

The other reason is if someone buys the wrong bulb that still fits in the same connector, but is to big, to small or the wrong shape for the housing, and that causes the issue to.


On the 98-03 S-10 pickups and Blazers if you re-install the headlight housing wrong it'll still seem to be installed right but it points up. You need to remove the housing to replace the bulbs but it's a simple bolt holding a removable tab in place then pull the tab and the housing comes out. If you don't get 2 tabs on the back of the housing in place correctly they sit in front of the "loops" they're supposed to go behind and you have a "misadjusted" headlight in a perfectly good housing...
 
can you tell us how lights that are the same intensity as low beams, but only about eight inches off the ground and further pointing AT the ground blind you? More so than low beam headlights?

No, I can't, because your premise doesn't make any sense.

REAL fog lights are BRIGHTER, because in fog, you would need more BRIGHTNESS. Fog lights that are the same brightness as your regular low beams are useless and only a visual gimmick. Perhaps some cheaper cars have those kind of fog lights, and yes those might not blind you.

I have seen plenty fog lights that are of the same or higher intensity than high beams. And people turn them on because they think it's cool.

-t
 
No, I can't, because your premise doesn't make any sense.

REAL fog lights are BRIGHTER, because in fog, you would need more BRIGHTNESS. Fog lights that are the same brightness as your regular low beams are useless and only a visual gimmick. Perhaps some cheaper cars have those kind of fog lights, and yes those might not blind you.

I have seen plenty fog lights that are of the same or higher intensity than high beams. And people turn them on because they think it's cool.

-t

Um, OK.
 
I have fog lights on my car. I don' t use that much and use them for snow and fog only.

Sometimes the way my flog lights are setup I call the lights to see small animal faces before I run them over.:cool:
 
The "fog lights" (as Ford refers to them) on my truck are what I would call "driving lights" - they're white, not amber. I leave them on with my regular headlights, which are automatic, so when it's dark outside, my headlights and my "driving lights" come on.

I live in a rural area, and the extra light makes a HUGE difference as far as visibility goes.
 
I never said rear fogs were ineffective, I said they look stupid.



I assure you there are thousands of each of those in America. Note that they said North American market, not US specific.

I've seen VERY few of any of the above with rear fogs. It's possible they may be present within the tail light lens and need to be activated via coding, but I assure you they simply aren't present on 99.9% of American market vehicles. If they are within what looks like a reflector lens, again they need to be activated with coding.

EDIT: Yes, it's the Oldsmobile Aurora I was thinking of, not the Avalon. I knew it was one or the other, figured it would've been the Toyota.


Actually all current American Audi vehicles have rear fog lights and I assume they have had them for sometime, same goes for the other brands on the list. They need to be turned on with a button, right below the front fog light button in my A4. I guess you dont see them being used because no one knows what they are.
 
can you tell us how lights that are the same intensity as low beams, but only about eight inches off the ground and further pointing AT the ground blind you? More so than low beam headlights?



What does that make people that use low beams?



fog lights blinding people is a myth and nobody sits back and thinks about it, lights that are 8 inches from the ground and pointing down dont blind anybody, you probably just heard that and perpetuate it without thinking about it


Fog lights are not focused, as is the case with beams. They do not point anywhere, that is what makes them effective at penetrating fog. And they do blind others, that was statistically correlated to accidents, in UK IIRC.

So the original "always on fog lights = douchebag" equation does holds true.
 
Fog lights are not focused, as is the case with beams. They do not point anywhere, that is what makes them effective at penetrating fog. And they do blind others, that was statistically correlated to accidents, in UK IIRC.

So the original "always on fog lights = douchebag" equation does holds true.

Not necessarily true. If aimed correctly they shouldn't affect other drivers.

Now there's plenty of people that don't even know they can aim their headlights or foglights and that's where blinding others comes into play.
 
... FWIW, fog lights do virtually nothing in fog, so no idea why they are called fog lights.
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Proper Fog Lights are very effective in fog… mine are not quite proper, and yet they make a huge difference in fog and snow. The effectiveness is because they are way below the driver's eyes, so the amount of light reflecting back and blinding the driver is far less than a headlight. It is not that they light up the road a further distance… it's that they don't blind the driver with reflected glare. In very deep fog, where you can see only a few metres in front of you, the fog lights will light up the side of the road so you can stay on the pavement - as you move very very slowly.

No, I can't, because your premise doesn't make any sense.

REAL fog lights are BRIGHTER, because in fog, you would need more BRIGHTNESS. ….
-t

With respect, but that is demonstrably wrong. Simply flick your high beams on and see what happens. Fog lights work because of open up the angle between them and the driver's eyes. Sorry about that.
 
No, I can't, because your premise doesn't make any sense.

REAL fog lights are BRIGHTER, because in fog, you would need more BRIGHTNESS. Fog lights that are the same brightness as your regular low beams are useless and only a visual gimmick. Perhaps some cheaper cars have those kind of fog lights, and yes those might not blind you.

I have seen plenty fog lights that are of the same or higher intensity than high beams. And people turn them on because they think it's cool.

-t

Yeah no, most fog lights are no brighter than low beams, they have a wide angle housing, and are pointed at the ground, which lets you see the road ahead of you. Brightness doesn't help to much on most cars, the reflection from high beams just makes it brighter and more annoying.

The fog lights on my Corvette are the same intensity as its low beams. And you'll find they are not blinding at all. Unless a Corvette is a cheap car. ;)
 
Yeah no, most fog lights are no brighter than low beams, they have a wide angle housing, and are pointed at the ground, which lets you see the road ahead of you. Brightness doesn't help to much on most cars, the reflection from high beams just makes it brighter and more annoying.

The fog lights on my Corvette are the same intensity as its low beams. And you'll find they are not blinding at all. Unless a Corvette is a cheap car. ;)

Agreed here, the wattage is much lower and so is light output.

Onto the last comment, Corvettes are getting very affordable for just about anyone these days, however I would not say that means they're cheap :D
 
Agreed here, the wattage is much lower and so is light output.

Onto the last comment, Corvettes are getting very affordable for just about anyone these days, however I would not say that means they're cheap :D

Well considering I paid nearly 70,000 dollars for mine ( 2012 Grand Sport Convertible 4LT, bought new ). I would say they aren't all that affordable either lol.

But, they could be a great poster car for why to never have kids.

" Never have kids....then you can have a Corvette. Wrap it before you tap it "
 
Well considering I paid nearly 70,000 dollars for mine ( 2012 Grand Sport Convertible 4LT, bought new ). I would say they aren't all that affordable either lol.

But, they could be a great poster car for why to never have kids.

" Never have kids....then you can have a Corvette. Wrap it before you tap it "

lmao still that's not too bad for what you're getting.

I was going to ask you what you got, sounds like you got just about the best of the best for a cruiser!

I'm looking at an f-body after I graduate, I would like to get a new Vette shortly after. That new z06 is looking great :)
 
lmao still that's not too bad for what you're getting.

I was going to ask you what you got, sounds like you got just about the best of the best for a cruiser!

I'm looking at an f-body after I graduate, I would like to get a new Vette shortly after. That new z06 is looking great :)

I am actually looking at getting rid of the Grand Sport and going for either a C7 Corvette, or perhaps a used Ferrari 360 Spider, I found a nice example in showroom condition in the color and interior I want for about 80,000, it would be a nice replacement for the Vette, but it wouldn't be able to be daily driven.

Well, lets hope you find a nice job. I can afford a big house and a few nice cars because I run my own business. But you should probably do what I did after I was done with college and focus on paying your debt off :)

I don't really like the new Z06, its not something I would want to look at when I go into my garage, its vulgar.

Hell that being said my fave car that I own isn't my vette. Its my 1972 TR6 ;)
 
I am actually looking at getting rid of the Grand Sport and going for either a C7 Corvette, or perhaps a used Ferrari 360 Spider, I found a nice example in showroom condition in the color and interior I want for about 80,000, it would be a nice replacement for the Vette, but it wouldn't be able to be daily driven.

Well, lets hope you find a nice job. I can afford a big house and a few nice cars because I run my own business. But you should probably do what I did after I was done with college and focus on paying your debt off :)

I don't really like the new Z06, its not something I would want to look at when I go into my garage, its vulgar.

Hell that being said my fave car that I own isn't my vette. Its my 1972 TR6 ;)

Nice! A 360 would be nice too, I see a couple in Milwaukee from time to time.

I'm going to school for Management Information Systems (IT), so probably not as much money as you're making (by probably I mean I guarantee lol) but everything comes with time.

I am curious as to what the rest of your car collection consists of though :D

Paying off loans is high on my list, as I have lots of money put into loans, again though; everything comes with time.
 
Fog lights are not the issue but people with misaligned headlights or those new Xenon lights piss me off. Or those that think using high beams all the time is ok.
 
Fog lights are not the issue but people with misaligned headlights or those new Xenon lights piss me off. Or those that think using high beams all the time is ok.

It's usually people with HID kits in non-projector housings that do it. They're decent if they're aimed correctly, but there's so much light it bounces all over.
 
Well considering I paid nearly 70,000 dollars for mine ( 2012 Grand Sport Convertible 4LT, bought new ). I would say they aren't all that affordable either lol.

But, they could be a great poster car for why to never have kids.

" Never have kids....then you can have a Corvette. Wrap it before you tap it "

Still its not that much for what your getting, if it was a european car you could add another 0 to that price. I wouldnt encourage anyone not to have kids in order to buy a corvette, sure they're nice cars but they arent that special.
 
Still its not that much for what your getting, if it was a european car you could add another 0 to that price. I wouldnt encourage anyone not to have kids in order to buy a corvette, sure they're nice cars but they arent that special.

He may have been thinking more along the lines of they're not good 'kid cars'. I'm looking at an f-body personally because of the back seat, granted not a great back seat, it adds some room.
 
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