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The minute someone starts a thread saying they like a particular product and it meets all their needs, out come all the haters telling them they're wrong.

Imagine being satisfied with something, posting on a forum explaining why you are satisfied, and everyone going "well that's cool man, for me it wouldn't necessarily tick all my boxes, but I'm sure glad it does for you." Sound like a fantasy? It sure is.
 
The jealousy of Pro owners is incredible. As soon as they saw the unveil of the M2 Air they’ve been like this ever since.

The M2 Air was their dream laptop. It has everything and nothing on it is poor.

They don’t actually use their speakers that often and the display only comes into play on HDR video.

No, most of us don’t use Final Cut Pro. So that’s a moot point, unless you are a seriously heavy user.

Air wins, quite easily. The fact it loads websites quicker is hilarious.

I’m sorry what?

I’m not even picking the M2 MBA over my M1 12.9 Pro. Basically all hardware is better than the M2 MBA (screen, speakers, camera’s, …) on the iPad.

I was only considering the M2 MBA to replace my M1 12.9 iPad Pro, and I‘m not even doing that, so how the hell do I have jealously about my 16” M1 Max MBP lol.
 
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The minute someone starts a thread saying they like a particular product and it meets all their needs, out come all the haters telling them they're wrong.

Imagine being satisfied with something, posting on a forum explaining why you are satisfied, and everyone going "well that's cool man, for me it wouldn't necessarily tick all my boxes, but I'm sure glad it does for you." Sound like a fantasy? It sure is.
If the original poster had posted his review on the MacBook Pro forum, I'm pretty sure you would have gotten your preferred responses. It would have been, cool, glad you like your new 14" MacBook Pro and then the thread would have faded into obscurity. Instead he posted his MacBook Pro review in the MacBook Air forum where now it has 5 pages of responses which is likely why he posted it here instead of there.
 
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"Lack of 'Pro Motion' is a killer" 😂😂😂

The human eye doesn't even see the difference over 60Hz. Again, there is zero difference in day to day work between the two, e.g viewing websites, using work apps.

You know you are talking alot of BS right?

If you have a M1 12.9 iPad Pro, switch the low-power mode on, which forces the display to 60hz and you will see a huge difference unless you are blind as a bat.

Gamers also use high refresh monitors (much higher than 120hz even).

And I saw the 60hz display quite easily on the M2 MBA also in the Apple Store. At first, I thought it was due to thermal throttling, only to realize it was the 60hz display which made the M2 MBA feel so sluggish.

I’m therefore hoping Apple will put promotion on the M3 MBA next year as it makes everything much smoother.
 
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I have both. I'm using the Air as my main machine inside. Why?, cuz it makes little difference. They are really very close, so you use what's there for in-house stuff.

But if you want it for frequent travel, you get the Air. This is not a difficult decision. The Pro has noticeably better speakers, but the Air speakers are pretty good. Also, the air is infinitely better laptop, on the lap.

Lack of a fan is another plus for travel, with its varied environments. Less to worry about. Not that fan worries are a thing (for most people).
 
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Imagine being satisfied with something, posting on a forum explaining why you are satisfied, and everyone going "well that's cool man, for me it wouldn't necessarily tick all my boxes, but I'm sure glad it does for you." Sound like a fantasy? It sure is.

Actually, I've seen people say as much many times in various threads. You're always going to have the full spread of replies: actual "haters", people who simply completely disagree, people who agree to disagree, people who fully agree, and people who butt-kiss 😂
 
One thing I would like for the Air would be a 'throttle monitor'. With the Pro you get feedback when the fans take off, but the Air has no feedback. It would be nice to watch in internals.

The good thing is, these things are so powerful you really don't have to worry about this stuff most of the time :)
 
Just some thoughts on my experience of owning both a 14" MacBook Pro 8/14 core, 16/512 (which I decided to keep) and the new M2 MacBook Air (8/8, 16/512).

Little things...
- MagSafe on the MBP is more secure than on the MBA. This is because the connector on the MBA doesn't sit flush with the enclosure since it is so thin, meaning that it actually disconnects a lot easier (though the opposite argument is that this is benefit).
- Perhaps subjective, but I prefer the key action of the MBP. The key travel is slightly longer and they bottom-out a little more softly.
- The trackpad is noticeably quieter on the MBP. The MBA's is louder and has a hollowness about it.

Display
Blooming isn't a big issue on the MBP provided you keep the screen brightness at a sensible setting, relative to the environment. But the quality... It's simply outstanding and perfectly suited for photography (one of my hustles) and video work. Those without a keen eye for colours and contrast may not notice or appreciate/require the difference, so for everything else I don't believe an owner would make use of it.

The same goes for ProMotion - this is not so much a quality of life improvement as it is a feature for video work. The adaptive refresh works really well and provides a true feel for the content's actual frame rate. Outside of creative work the UI is clearly smoother in motion, but I wouldn't consider this a 'need' over the MBA.

The increase is display size and resolution is noticeable on the MBP. It just allows you eek out more of your content, which I believe for a device of this size is important in getting as much screen estate as possible. The bezels on the MBP are also slightly slimmer.

None of this is to say that the MBA scree is a lesser component in anyway. In fact, it's actually a significant improvement over the previous generation with more colours, better contrast and higher maximum brightness.

Speakers and microphone
I find this to be an interesting area today given how our listening habits have changed. There are users who no doubt won't care what the quality of the speakers are provided they do the bare minimum for productivity; some will need high quality audio as a backup for creative content; others may use them a lot for listening to music.

One thing that is certain however; how difficult it is to put into words just how much better the MBP speakers are than than the MBA.

They sound big, full and wide, with excellent clarity and yet bass that shouldn't be so solid on a device this thin. If you're wanting to enjoy music in a small room then there's honestly no need to use a Bluetooth speaker (within a sensible distance), and the quality is good enough that I would feel confident doing some basic initial mastering for production.

Dolby Atmos is mesmerising. Combined with the XDR display, watching compatible movies is just fantastic. I have some HDR + DA movies that I've purchased and it literally does bring new life to them - specifically older titles that I have had good remasters (Top Gun, Total Recall for example)

FaceTime camera
Very good on both devices, relative to the sensor size. Performance appears very similar on both, with the MBA edging out just slightly with more natural colours and slightly better low light performance. I'm guessing this has something to do with the M2 chip. Not a deal-breaker by any means - they're both perfectly serviceable. And keep in mind that once you view the video on a larger display, for instance an iMac - the stream is almost potato quality anyway and comparable to the Studio Display.

Performance
Outside of video editing - which is not my domain, but I have played around with it - speed is virtually identical for both devices during everyday productivity (Office, iWork, Safari, email, and many apps in between). Little to no lag or waiting for anything to happen. OS updates were quicker on the MBP which is to be expected, but I honestly can't recommend M2 chip highly enough for most users.

Where the MBP was quicker in creative content (Lightroom, Photoshop, Logic Pro), it was only marginally. If you're thinking of holding out for the M2 Pro/Max I seriously wouldn't bother.

The fans on the MBP have only ever come once, during its first OS update. Other than this is has remained cool to the touch. The MBA also remains cool to the touch and again has only ever heated up during the initial setup and OS update process. As far as I'm concerned the debacle over this device 'overheating' (Thanks Max Tech! /S ) is unfounded.

Enclosure
Both devices feel as though they have thinner enclosures than the previous generations, not necessarily a bad thing but just something to keep in mind. The MBA is so thin that the back plate and keyboard plate can actually flex with enough force.

Both are absolutely beautiful both aesthetically and in engineering terms. I couldn't stop holding and looking at them, just appreciating their beauty. The MBP in particular has a slightly retro feel to it that I'm fond of.

The weight is substantially different. The MBP weighs just a touch more than the outgoing 13" model, but not to the point where it would discourage you from travelling with it. For the specs it's still an impressively compact and light device. The MBA on the other hand is so thin and light that it's an absolute joy to carry around. It's almost like an iPad! In fact it's so light it can wobble around a bit when you're typing on your lap.

Though the MBP keyboard is (in my opinion) nicer, typing does need a little settling in period because the enclosure is raised off the surface more than the MBA. If you're used to this from previous MBPs then it's a non-issue.

So, why did I choose the MBP?
I use a Mac for a number of things, including my main job (working with clients for coaching, delivering presentations) and side hustles (photography, product design). The two features that sold the MBP for me were the screen and the speakers. These are the most impressive that I've ever come across on a portable computer and they significantly gave me a leg-up when it came to editing photos, sharing video with clients and simply enjoying my music collection.

The addition of HDMI is convenient for plugging into projectors and TV whenever I travel anywhere, and means I can forget about bringing adapters. And the SD card slot makes my camera workflow a lot quicker, as well as being able to take project files from my 3D printer and audio from my audio recorder!

I will miss just how 'airy' the MBA was, though equally I'm now more aware of how overblown the concept of weight is. For its class, there really is nothing that you can compare the 14" MBP to in the Windows world when you combine the performance with the thickness and weight. It's a beautiful product and easily the best Mac notebook I think Apple has ever made. The Pro chip at 8/14 cores has completely exceeded my expectations.

Finally, the difference in pricing between the models was £180. For that additional cost I felt the additional screen improvements, speaker quality and keyboard was worth it.

Hope this was useful!
Now that's a high quality post!
 
One thing I would like for the Air would be a 'throttle monitor'. With the Pro you get feedback when the fans take off, but the Air has no feedback. It would be nice to watch in internals.

The good thing is, these things are so powerful you really don't have to worry about this stuff most of the time :)
You can get this information from the command line powermetrics tool. I was thinking about adding an indicator on my still in progress temperature sensor menu bar application.
 
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"Lack of 'Pro Motion' is a killer" 😂😂😂

The human eye doesn't even see the difference over 60Hz. Again, there is zero difference in day to day work between the two, e.g viewing websites, using work apps.
sure is
 
You know you are talking alot of BS right?

If you have a M1 12.9 iPad Pro, switch the low-power mode on, which forces the display to 60hz and you will see a huge difference unless you are blind as a bat.

Gamers also use high refresh monitors (much higher than 120hz even).

And I saw the 60hz display quite easily on the M2 MBA also in the Apple Store. At first, I thought it was due to thermal throttling, only to realize it was the 60hz display which made the M2 MBA feel so sluggish.

I’m therefore hoping Apple will put promotion on the M3 MBA next year as it makes everything much smoother.
how can I see the 60 hz vs 120 hz. I can't tell the difference.
 
how can I see the 60 hz vs 120 hz. I can't tell the difference.

Then you need to get your eyes checked out by an eye doctor. I am not a medical professional to help you on this one.

You're just spreading misinformation that humans cannot see beyond 60hz, because I easily can.
 
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how can I see the 60 hz vs 120 hz. I can't tell the difference.
So for years I had upgraded phones and couldn't see the difference in the screen updates and upgrades. What were these awesome screen upgrades everybody was talking about? Yes, it seems better, but I wouldn't say it's awesome. Then I got my eyes checked, and realised I needed computer/reading glasses.

And once I look at the 13 pro max screen with glasses on, it's a night and day difference.

This is why I find these kind of opinions subjective and don't give them too much weight...
 
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Yeah, I mean, the guy just started this thread to share his personal opinion as to why he chose one over the other, not berating and belittling other peoples choices, yet, someone felt as it was personal insult towards them and panicked, out of the blue, started arguing about almost every aspect one person shared as their personal experience and thoughts and feelings about their choice. Like as if that person would try to convince the whole world how wrong the OP's choice was!
It’s really puzzling, what the foxtrot?
Indeed. Some people feel threatened when others hold an opinion different from their own.
 
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I took the time to write it because I thought some might find it useful to hear from real world experiences. It's when people start to argue that their opinion or use-case is the only one that matters that it all falls apart. The speakers were a great example - I don't understand the "just use high-end headphones/high-end speakers/AirPods/HomePod" argument. A MacBook is designed to be a portable device that travels with you, hence why speakers are built-in.

With all due respect, it’s your use case that you trumpet in your decision, other use cases are equally valid and can lead to different conclusions. When I travel, yep my lap top goes with me, so do my headphones. I don’t like the tiny sound of any laptop smaller than the 16.
 
With all due respect, it’s your use case that you trumpet in your decision, other use cases are equally valid and can lead to different conclusions. When I travel, yep my lap top goes with me, so do my headphones. I don’t like the tiny sound of any laptop smaller than the 16.
everyone uses the speakers for something some of the time, one reason some buy the iPad pro's
air 2 speakers sound like a tin can lol, my M1 11" pro's are better
 
everyone uses the speakers for something some of the time, one reason some buy the iPad pro's
air 2 speakers sound like a tin can lol, my M1 11" pro's are better

Fair enough. We all use them at some point. We just don’t all care. The OP stated they were a major factor in his buying decision. Some people focus on other aspects and don’t worry about the speakers.
 
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boom 3D is pretty great; i used it (for the EQ only) on my 12" macbook, and now, on the M2 air... and, with just a little bit of tweaking, makes everything sound better. not saying it's going to compete with real speakers, but it helps.

just mentioning
 
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I have both the 14 mini led and Air M2. The screen is different and better in certain scenarios but I actually hate the 14 Pro for web browsing. The constant shadow around the entire screen from the mini led is far more distracting to my eyes than any other difference between the two.
Where do you see any shadows? Do you mean the backlighting zones? Are you in a dark room? Please elaborate, I am really interested in this one.
 
Doesn’t really matter: how often are you really playing something out of the speakers?! AirPods or HomePods all the way.

I have HomePods, AirPods (both Pro and regular), Sony WH-1000XM4, etc.

I still use the speakers on my Pro a LOT when I'm away from home, watching movies in bed with the partner, etc.

Why? Because they're actually good enough to NOT have to pull out the AirPods.


As to HDR usage being rare.... what?
Most of the recent movies I watch on the thing are HDR. Proper blacks help when watching stuff in bed, too.
 
I use the speakers of my MacBook Pro quite often. I don't understand the argument that it doesn't matter if the speakers are good, because we don't use them. The thing is, the MBA is the low end Apple laptop for the masses. The 14" MBP is the high end laptop. Pick your poison..
Everything is a compromise. Do you want great battery life and the best mobility on a Mac? Get the MBA? Do you care about sustained performance, the best display and speakers, and don't mind the extra 370gr of weight? Then get the 14" MBP.
For me, the 14" MBP ticks all the boxes. It's mobile enough, has a very good battery life (10-11 hours depending on usage, so it gets through the day with no problems), has an amazing display and ProMotion, which is great and has the better performance.
 
The jealousy of Pro owners is incredible. As soon as they saw the unveil of the M2 Air they’ve been like this ever since.

The M2 Air was their dream laptop. It has everything and nothing on it is poor.

They don’t actually use their speakers that often and the display only comes into play on HDR video.

No, most of us don’t use Final Cut Pro. So that’s a moot point, unless you are a seriously heavy user.

Air wins, quite easily. The fact it loads websites quicker is hilarious.

*laughs in multiple external displays, 30 minute charge to 80%, and SD slot*
 
Just some thoughts on my experience of owning both a 14" MacBook Pro 8/14 core, 16/512 (which I decided to keep) and the new M2 MacBook Air (8/8, 16/512).

Little things...
- MagSafe on the MBP is more secure than on the MBA. This is because the connector on the MBA doesn't sit flush with the enclosure since it is so thin, meaning that it actually disconnects a lot easier (though the opposite argument is that this is benefit).
- Perhaps subjective, but I prefer the key action of the MBP. The key travel is slightly longer and they bottom-out a little more softly.
- The trackpad is noticeably quieter on the MBP. The MBA's is louder and has a hollowness about it.

Display
Blooming isn't a big issue on the MBP provided you keep the screen brightness at a sensible setting, relative to the environment. But the quality... It's simply outstanding and perfectly suited for photography (one of my hustles) and video work. Those without a keen eye for colours and contrast may not notice or appreciate/require the difference, so for everything else I don't believe an owner would make use of it.

The same goes for ProMotion - this is not so much a quality of life improvement as it is a feature for video work. The adaptive refresh works really well and provides a true feel for the content's actual frame rate. Outside of creative work the UI is clearly smoother in motion, but I wouldn't consider this a 'need' over the MBA.

The increase is display size and resolution is noticeable on the MBP. It just allows you eek out more of your content, which I believe for a device of this size is important in getting as much screen estate as possible. The bezels on the MBP are also slightly slimmer.

None of this is to say that the MBA scree is a lesser component in anyway. In fact, it's actually a significant improvement over the previous generation with more colours, better contrast and higher maximum brightness.

Speakers and microphone
I find this to be an interesting area today given how our listening habits have changed. There are users who no doubt won't care what the quality of the speakers are provided they do the bare minimum for productivity; some will need high quality audio as a backup for creative content; others may use them a lot for listening to music.

One thing that is certain however; how difficult it is to put into words just how much better the MBP speakers are than than the MBA.

They sound big, full and wide, with excellent clarity and yet bass that shouldn't be so solid on a device this thin. If you're wanting to enjoy music in a small room then there's honestly no need to use a Bluetooth speaker (within a sensible distance), and the quality is good enough that I would feel confident doing some basic initial mastering for production.

Dolby Atmos is mesmerising. Combined with the XDR display, watching compatible movies is just fantastic. I have some HDR + DA movies that I've purchased and it literally does bring new life to them - specifically older titles that I have had good remasters (Top Gun, Total Recall for example)

FaceTime camera
Very good on both devices, relative to the sensor size. Performance appears very similar on both, with the MBA edging out just slightly with more natural colours and slightly better low light performance. I'm guessing this has something to do with the M2 chip. Not a deal-breaker by any means - they're both perfectly serviceable. And keep in mind that once you view the video on a larger display, for instance an iMac - the stream is almost potato quality anyway and comparable to the Studio Display.

Performance
Outside of video editing - which is not my domain, but I have played around with it - speed is virtually identical for both devices during everyday productivity (Office, iWork, Safari, email, and many apps in between). Little to no lag or waiting for anything to happen. OS updates were quicker on the MBP which is to be expected, but I honestly can't recommend M2 chip highly enough for most users.

Where the MBP was quicker in creative content (Lightroom, Photoshop, Logic Pro), it was only marginally. If you're thinking of holding out for the M2 Pro/Max I seriously wouldn't bother.

The fans on the MBP have only ever come once, during its first OS update. Other than this is has remained cool to the touch. The MBA also remains cool to the touch and again has only ever heated up during the initial setup and OS update process. As far as I'm concerned the debacle over this device 'overheating' (Thanks Max Tech! /S ) is unfounded.

Enclosure
Both devices feel as though they have thinner enclosures than the previous generations, not necessarily a bad thing but just something to keep in mind. The MBA is so thin that the back plate and keyboard plate can actually flex with enough force.

Both are absolutely beautiful both aesthetically and in engineering terms. I couldn't stop holding and looking at them, just appreciating their beauty. The MBP in particular has a slightly retro feel to it that I'm fond of.

The weight is substantially different. The MBP weighs just a touch more than the outgoing 13" model, but not to the point where it would discourage you from travelling with it. For the specs it's still an impressively compact and light device. The MBA on the other hand is so thin and light that it's an absolute joy to carry around. It's almost like an iPad! In fact it's so light it can wobble around a bit when you're typing on your lap.

Though the MBP keyboard is (in my opinion) nicer, typing does need a little settling in period because the enclosure is raised off the surface more than the MBA. If you're used to this from previous MBPs then it's a non-issue.

So, why did I choose the MBP?
I use a Mac for a number of things, including my main job (working with clients for coaching, delivering presentations) and side hustles (photography, product design). The two features that sold the MBP for me were the screen and the speakers. These are the most impressive that I've ever come across on a portable computer and they significantly gave me a leg-up when it came to editing photos, sharing video with clients and simply enjoying my music collection.

The addition of HDMI is convenient for plugging into projectors and TV whenever I travel anywhere, and means I can forget about bringing adapters. And the SD card slot makes my camera workflow a lot quicker, as well as being able to take project files from my 3D printer and audio from my audio recorder!

I will miss just how 'airy' the MBA was, though equally I'm now more aware of how overblown the concept of weight is. For its class, there really is nothing that you can compare the 14" MBP to in the Windows world when you combine the performance with the thickness and weight. It's a beautiful product and easily the best Mac notebook I think Apple has ever made. The Pro chip at 8/14 cores has completely exceeded my expectations.

Finally, the difference in pricing between the models was £180. For that additional cost I felt the additional screen improvements, speaker quality and keyboard was worth it.

Hope this was useful!
Thanks for this. Good writes. I still don’t understand why people should argue on their choice. Everyone’s needs and experience are different. Take whatever applicable from everyone’s review and put them in consideration before you buy or change your mind (if you already bought). It’s simple.
 
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