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iFixit Shares 2019 Mac Pro Teardown: 'A Masterclass in Repairability'
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I’m not exactly sure who these sorts of thumbnails are attempting to attract, but it must be a LOT of people since a lot of YouTubers do it.
Considering how a system like this didn’t exist prior to the Mac Pro, the premium also includes the hefty chunk of R&D.
Someone’s probably made this point before now, but repairability hurts reliability. If you‘ve ever opened your machine to reseat a DIMM or PCI card, raise your hand 🙋♂️
It makes sense that a machine like this would be easily repairable. Most Apple consumers, though, have no interest (or business) digging into the guts of a machine— and certainly not a phone. That doesn’t mean some folks here wouldn’t like to, and some of those might even be capable of it, but for most people removable parts are just one more thing that can go wrong.
It makes sense that a machine like this would be easily repairable. Most Apple consumers, though, have no interest (or business) digging into the guts of a machine— and certainly not a phone. That doesn’t mean some folks here wouldn’t like to, and some of those might even be capable of it, but for most people removable parts are just one more thing that can go wrong.
Not comparing with PC its already a big progress considering its from Apple
I do like the case very much. If only its not overpriced with regards to its performance I might get one.Did your power supply easily slide out as a complete module without dealing with cable harnesses?
One of my older Apple machines did, it might have been a Quadra 950 or possibly a Blue and White G3 (also a very nice design with its drop down side panel). An eight pin or so Molex connector with a flared socket that guided the plug in nicely.
I loved that Q950, it was a beast and expensive as hell. I got it in trade from a client who was going out if business and couldn’t afford to pay me. Could never have afforded it otherwise. Got a LaserWriter also
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I expected it once they ditched the trashcan design. The other Mac Pros were all pretty repairable.
One of my older Apple machines did, it might have been a Quadra 950 or possibly a Blue and White G3 (also a very nice design with its drop down side panel). An eight pin or so Molex connector with a flared socket that guided the plug in nicely.
I loved that Q950, it was a beast and expensive as hell. I got it in trade from a client who was going out if business and couldn’t afford to pay me. Could never have afforded it otherwise. Got a LaserWriter also
Started with Quadra950 and probably end with MP7.1.
Nah started with an Apple II Plus. Wrote the code for the world’s first PC-based point of sale system, complete with a solenoid-controlled cash drawer that popped open after the payment was tendered (via a custom interface card that went into one of the slots). It had a pen-type barcode reader that we OEM’ed from HP. Ordering, inventory, sales, barcoded price tags printed out on an IDS 460 “Paper Tiger” printer. All within a maxed out 48k of RAM lol. First job after high school, 1982, I was 18. Good timesStarted with Quadra950 and probably end with MP7.1.
But I plan on being around a good while longer as well, so I’m sure I’ll see the a few more Mac Pros. This won’t be the last.
Ah yes, the enterprise "consumerism," again, p1$$ing away cash---we have about six E3v2 xeon-based ML310e Gen8 that we got in 2013 dirt cheap and with cashback(!) (I think they worked out as about £150 each for base 4GB RAM + E3-1220v2 + 1TB HDD), and guess what, they are still working perfectly fine today beefed up with aftermarket parts with upgrades as the load grew! People were saying that US$50 per day or whatever for MP2019 is "ok" for a professional, well, those servers are working out in pennies per day now, and nobody is planning on retiring them! Hardware needs to last, not needlessly churn on lease!
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You clearly failed to grasp the failure model of the SSD tied to T2: if the SSD goes you're waiting on Apple to replace, backup has SFA to do with vendor repair/replace lag! If your argument is "well, just boot off another drive!" then WTF is the point of the T2 tied SSD in the first place?! I appreciate people's pathological need to defend Apple at all costs (including that of the common sense) but the argument is frankly both stupid and ridiculous!
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It sounds like someone “making” a job for themselves. As long as these machines are sitting around as one-offs, then you have to keep the folks around that support them. And, the IT guys may see it as a “quality of life” thing that their job includes tinkering with hardware. But, in the end, there’s a reason why a lot of companies don’t let IT talk to suppliers.
That was, like, a really weirdly formatted reply, and now the quote is empty...
Anywho, that still doesn't address the other avenues of internal storage upgrades. And can you boot the OS off the internal SATA port or other PCI based storage? If memory serves you could boot from external drives as recently as a few years ago, so if you can boot from a different drive on a PCI expansion card then how does the T2 relate to that?
Anywho, that still doesn't address the other avenues of internal storage upgrades. And can you boot the OS off the internal SATA port or other PCI based storage? If memory serves you could boot from external drives as recently as a few years ago, so if you can boot from a different drive on a PCI expansion card then how does the T2 relate to that?
It sounds like someone “making” a job for themselves. As long as these machines are sitting around as one-offs, then you have to keep the folks around that support them. And, the IT guys may see it as a “quality of life” thing that their job includes tinkering with hardware. But, in the end, there’s a reason why a lot of companies don’t let IT talk to suppliers.
Because God forbid someone who knows what they're talking about is involved in procurement, right? I mean it's much easier to sell marketing fluff than respond to "what is the spec of X"? I presume that's why Apple's "specs" are always so wishy-washy?! For example, how many Apple "power users" actually think they get 40Gbps data out of their TB3 ports when in fact the best they can hope for, in terms of PCIe bandwidth, is 22Gbps and quite often that's shared between two ports on a mac???
INVOLVED, yes. Everyone has a job to do in procurement. IT is required to define the solution that will suit the needs for the enterprise. Then, the finance discussion starts with the legal, contractual, supplier management teams doing THEIR jobs of ensuring that the solution as a WHOLE meets the enterprise requirements.
There’s far more to be concerned with than price. For example, with the right contract, that vendor CAN acquire whatever expansion cards you want (using their massive purchasing power) and provide that to you at a steep discount. Not only that, they’ll also have the level of support needed, even setting aside folks who’s job it is to do nothing but answer the phone for YOUR organization.
Of course, if you’re paying for quality support from a vendor (at less than the cost of the equivalent full time employees), then you don’t need that knowledge in-house. Of course, if the real intent is to keep an in-house organization for support, then you obviously don’t want to involve folks that may be able to get a good contract signed.
The Mac Pro really demonstrates how Apple understand their customers. The build a fully modifiable system for true industry pros (who need this functionality) and create closed systems for masses (such as an iPhone). Repairability is not free and making an iPhone as repairable will mean more weight, larger size, reduced reliability, and reduction of certain features such as waterproofing. 9/10 customers would choose the lighter, thinner, more reliable phone for the same price without the repairability.
I do think Apple should instead provide an extended warranty for free, especially for iPhone internals.
I do think Apple should instead provide an extended warranty for free, especially for iPhone internals.
I love that approach---especially when IT is critical to their mission. Let's play a quiz, rhetorically: who do you think is best placed to make a decision about a piece of hardware finance, legal, or people who live in the datacenter? Like I said, got a bunch of servers from a vendor at basic config with aftermarket upgrades and so far we have zero downtime in core services, try pricing up even a 99.999% SLA with a vendor 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That must be why Apple's memory is so much cheaper than retail? 🤣 🤣 🤣 /sarcasm
It is most sad when people reaslise they're getting fleeced and they're still not only happily parting with their money but are thanking the other side for "affording an opportunity to be fleeced!"
And you are paying their salary, and for most part their job can be done by a web form.
Thing is, some organisations treat buying IT like buying the toilet paper, and that's all they get; others realise that IT is critical to their mission. Let's leave it at that.
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Funny, when Lumia 920 was released, it was fully repairable by end user with dimentions and other spec meeting or exceeding that of iPhone 5 (L920 even had Qi charging back then!) (can't speak for other phones as I'm still on L920 having replaced the screen, usb port and the battery myself...) Moral of the story: don't buy one vendor's marketing BS...
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Not sure if you are serious but the L920 weighed 50% more and was over 33% thicker than the iPhone 5. We all know how the Lumia sold compared to the iPhone 5.
Why then can Lenovo and every other PC maker build expandable desktops for under a thousand bucks but Apple would have to ask $5k for it? I'm not asking for a workstation-class PC with RDIMMs and Xeon chips, I am asking for a prosumer desktop with slots and NO ADHESIVE.
Because Apple hasn't and won't make an xMac. They clearly don't think it's worth it. Maybe Apple will offer a cheaper professional SKU, but they’re likely going to start offering flimsy towers with i7s in them. If that’s your overarching concern, better get used to a Hackintosh or just deal with Windows.
Hmm.... 33% thinker: 7.6mm vs 10.7mm... but wait... 1440mah vs 2000mah battery! So the thickness/weight was not on the repairablity but in... the battery: the thing that people actually DO want! It didn't sell because Apple had better marketing, the camera still is on par and even better in some cases than XR
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I SAID that IT determines what hardware is needed. A question back to you... who is best placed to craft a binding legal document between two organizations such that the value of the contract is greatest? The answer is, of course, not IT.
Going to Apple to buy these machines retail without a supplier contract in place is foolish at best. The prices you see on their website are retail prices. There is no supplier management professional worth their salt that will let that dollar value stand. If your IT is starting negotiations with a vendor at the RETAIL price... then you’re already doing the organization a disservice. I am pretty sure the vendor was laughing all the way to the bank.
No... you’re not paying their salary... You know what, I think I understand your position well enough, you go right ahead and let IT make finance decisions
Every company is different, and it’s obviously the best thing for your org.