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For decades now, there has been plenty of watches out there which are a heck of a lot more waterproof than the iphone without the use of adhesive.

that's a bit stupid of a comparison. watches for decades didn't have the tech of OLED/LCD screens or have the use in being a multipurpose machine that needed to be carried in a pocket.
 
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so your proposal is to add an additional hour of battery life to a phone that already lasts all day by removing FaceID, the front camera, the telephoto lens, and wide angle lens?

Yeah makes perfect sense. You should have cancer and world hunger solved by tomorrow.

Who said an hour?! if you look closely there is space for about 50% more battery , that is an increase from 10 to 15 hrs. Who said the phone lasts all day? If this was the case you will not hear people asking for larger batteries, power banks market, or battery equipped cases including Apple's own made.
 
Does it still get the battery service message if you swap the batteries?

I believe this is standard protocol for any iPhone Model when the battery is non-OEM. But someone else mentioned about a software patch claiming it prohibited the message from reoccurring, so I can neither confirm or deny if that’s accurate.
 
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Almost every Apple device I buy I will buy AppleCare as I've saved thousands of dollars thanks to it. Plus if a Apple considers a covered device unrepairable they replace it. Years ago my sister's out of AppleCare MacBook Pro had to have the logic board replaced. Apple called one day to say that the replacement logic board wouldn't be available for several weeks and they offered us, for the same price of repair, to replace it with a newer model. Also since the new model had some drawbacks I was able to convince Apple to give us some upgrades like upgrading the 500GB SSD to 1TB and give us a free thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter since we weren't using wifi. Of course we said yes. Other times I've had Apple declare various MacBook Pros I've owned unrepairable and they always offered me a replacement by giving me a newer equivalent model. When the newer model removed something I used Apple usually didn't give me issues when I asked for the needed adapters for free. Also when they replaced them the remaining AppleCare was transferred over to the replacement. I love having a waterproof iPhone. I don't have to worry about it getting wet. Also if the waterproofing does fail sometimes you can convince Apple to warranty it for free if you have AppleCare on it.
 
As I stated, to each their own. I was simply pointing at the differences, everyone can decide whether those differences are worth the price or not.

As for the screens though, you're wrong in your assertion. iFixit noted that the displays are swappable, but they are different, something they claimed their going to explore more of. Whether those differences are purely software based or hardware based we can't say for sure at this moment. However, regardless of whether it is software or hardware, if the 12 can only go up to 625nits and the 12 Pro can go up to 800nits, that is a difference plain and simple. And, if it is indeed software, it will probably take a jailbreak to increase the brightness on the 12 to match that of the 12 Pro.

Again, I'm not saying the 12 Pro is worth the extra $ vs the regular 12, just that there are enough differences for a certain segment of users that those differences are worth the extra $.

For me personally, I've currently got the 11 Pro Max. Not sure if I'm going to upgrade to the 12, but if I do it'll be to either the 12 Pro or 12 (the screen on the 11 Pro Max is really nice, but it is so very big). I really like having a telephoto lens, and LIDAR has been pretty cool to use on the iPad Pro (2020) - though its use case hasn't really presented itself yet, and I know 6GB of RAM does make a difference, albeit minor, in day to day use. With that being said, my primary reason to go with the 12 Pro would be for that telephoto lens, and I'm really not sure if it's worth the extra $150/$200 with AppleCare.

I am not wrong in my assertion because it wasn't a assertion. It is a fact. The screens are exactly the same with the same part numbers attached to them (A2479). I fixit said as much. It is a software limitation, not hardware. The max nits are the same for both in HDR. The 625 nits is only for SDR, not HDR, where HDR will be displayed most of the time in most conditions. The 625 nits vs 800 nits literally means zero in real world use for most users.


Not saying you are wrong or right. Just giving you another perspective on why someone would buy the 12 over the 12 pro. 6gb ram makes a difference to you, the camera makes a difference to you, the SS makes a difference to you or people who may buy the 12 pro. My opinion that 2gb ram might make a difference based on a person's use habits. It makes zero in my day to day for me. SS is a large downgrade in materials for the reasons mentioned. It is much cheaper than 7075 aluminum, makes the phone run hotter, is heavier. I had the X, Xs, 11pro and hated the weight of them. It's funny to hear reviewers say "more premium" materials when reviewing the pro model. When in fact it uses less premium materials. Apple marketing works on most, but not everyone.

Your reasons for the purchase of the pro are just your opinion. As are mine. Doesn't make them fact.

You totally missed the point of my post.
 
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For decades now, there has been plenty of watches out there which are a heck of a lot more waterproof than the iphone without the use of adhesive.

Well, wristwatches are sealed unless you pop out the crown with your fingernail so you're able to twist it. Or unscrew it like on a diver's watch. Do you really want to unscrew the crown on your Apple watch to be able to use it? And also have no speaker holes, no barometer, no microphone?

Same goes for the iPhone, it's actually great how waterproof it is without compromising too much. You still get pretty good sound through the speakers, great microphones, you can plug in the cable without unscrewing anything. You can use it as is while cooking and spill things on it with nothing happening. My sister made a vacation video of her kids diving for the first time and had to point out it's just her iPhone 11 filming, no case or anything. She can afford just replacing it on a whim and it was worth the risk to just take her phone for diving, worked out great.
 
yep. Was about to get the SE but resolution, oled, camera, new chip and colors made me preorder the mini. 990€ +8gb lte over 2 years is a fair price.
And it will last 5 years, if you so choose. (At least my soon to be retired 6s did.)

I also considered the SE, but I’ve been looking forward to something smaller than my 6s, and that’s the mini. If I were really into photography I’d get the 12 Pro and accept the larger size.
 
I am not wrong in my assertion because it wasn't a assertion. It is a fact. The screens are exactly the same with the same part numbers attached to them (A2479). I fixit said as much. It is a software limitation, not hardware. The max nits are the same for both in HDR. The 625 nits is only for SDR, not HDR, where HDR will be displayed most of the time in most conditions. The 625 nits vs 800 nits literally means zero in real world use for most users.


Not saying you are wrong or right. Just giving you another perspective on why someone would buy the 12 over the 12 pro. 6gb ram makes a difference to you, the camera makes a difference to you, the SS makes a difference to you or people who may buy the 12 pro. My opinion that 2gb ram might make a difference based on a person's use habits. It makes zero in my day to day for me. SS is a large downgrade in materials for the reasons mentioned. It is much cheaper than 7075 aluminum, makes the phone run hotter, is heavier. I had the X, Xs, 11pro and hated the weight of them. It's funny to hear reviewers say "more premium" materials when reviewing the pro model. When in fact it uses less premium materials. Apple marketing works on most, but not everyone.

Your reasons for the purchase of the pro are just your opinion. As are mine. Doesn't make them fact.

You totally missed the point of my post.

100% agree with every single post you made.
12 Pro is the worst value of the line up by far for the above reasons. It still makes sense but for a niche audience who is really into photography and can't deal with the Max format or those who are willing to spend extra cash for appearance-based reasons.
12 Pro should have get the same Pro Max camera system to be a decent value. Plus ProMotion is lacking. Next year Pro models should be better value just because of ProMotion.

In EU it's even worse, price difference is €200 at same storage (€250 if 64GB is OK), it's over 20% more in the price for certainly not 20% more value.
In short 12 Pro is still a good pick but only for the niche audience who can really exploit its camera and can't handle the Max format.
 
look at all that space that could be used for battery instead for tri-lenses and a notch that eats in your screen.
So, ideally, we'd have an a-la-carte iPhone? Select which cameras you want, whether you want FaceID or not.
 
I'd make a slight addition to that.
No. What's the point of paying extra you don't use ? You better off use that money on other stuff you will really benefit, it can be new airpods, cool stuff for your home or just add some money in equity or other financial products etc etc.
 
No. What's the point of paying extra you don't use ? You better off use that money on other stuff you will really benefit, it can be new airpods, cool stuff for your home or just add some money in equity or other financial products etc etc.
So, I don't exist? I've considered the Max, but couldn't justify the extra $100 over the standard Pro. For me, the extra screen real estate and difficulty in handling the Max one-handed about balance each other out. Thus the better battery life and the better camera are what would justify the extra $100 for me. So, for me, it was a question about money.
 
So, I don't exist? I've considered the Max, but couldn't justify the extra $100 over the standard Pro. For me, the extra screen real estate and difficulty in handling the Max one-handed about balance each other out. Thus the better battery life and the better camera are what would justify the extra $100 for me. So, for me, it was a question about money.
I have said that the 12 Pro can be the best pick but for a niche audience (real photo enthusiasts who can't handle max format).
Previous year Pro models could be the right pick to a way larger audience since the gap was not only on the camera but also on the screen and battery department.
12 Pro and 12 are almost the exact same in the inside. Battery, wide, ultra wide, selfie cam are the exact same.
 
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A “Pro” iPhone has always been about a marketing distinction. The gap in differences has to get closer or the lower model becomes undesirable.
 
I have said that the 12 Pro can be the best pick but for a niche audience (real photo enthusiasts who can't handle max format).
Previous year Pro models could be the right pick to a way larger audience since the gap was not only on the camera but also on the screen and battery department.
12 Pro and 12 are almost the exact same in the inside. Battery, wide, ultra wide, selfie cam are the exact same.
And you keep insisting that my reasoning (I might like the Max but not enough to pay its premium over the smaller Pro) is not even worth acknowledging.
 
Applecare doesn’t last forever, and is the case with iPhone XS that my coverage ended, we are stuck paying the full retail price for a screen repair and it’s not cheap. Luckily i had asurion which does the same thing for a 29 replacement screen.

But after having apple limited coverage warranty, since it’s not applecare, they focus on the issue than fixing every possible issue. I had to make two different appointments for a battery and my camera going out. Apple care + would had given me a new device with rapid replacement.

As of this past summer, you can extend AppleCare+ past the two years and pay monthly for AppleCare+ for as long as you own the device, and it now comes with two incidents of accidental damager per year. Asurion uses third-party or refurbished parts. I think it's a better idea to get AppleCare+.
 
So, ideally, we'd have an a-la-carte iPhone? Select which cameras you want, whether you want FaceID or not.

we already have a-la-carte selection. iPhone SE(1camera+touchID+no notch), XR(2 camera), 11(2 cameras), iphone 12(2 sizes, 2 cameras), iPhone Pro (2 sizes, 3 cameras)
 
As of this past summer, you can extend AppleCare+ past the two years and pay monthly for AppleCare+ for as long as you own the device, and it now comes with two incidents of accidental damager per year. Asurion uses third-party or refurbished parts. I think it's a better idea to get AppleCare+

you are right i was comparing prices and asurion wants 15 bucks with a system that completely rewards you or doesn’t for using insurance, their 250 deductible for a “device” replacement while applecare is now 149$ from what i was reading, it’s a a now brainer IMHO
 
I believe this is standard protocol for any iPhone Model when the battery is non-OEM. But someone else mentioned about a software patch claiming it prohibited the message from reoccurring, so I can neither confirm or deny if that’s accurate.

You still get the message even with genuine Apple batteries on the iPhone 11.
 
I am not wrong in my assertion because it wasn't a assertion. It is a fact. The screens are exactly the same with the same part numbers attached to them (A2479). I fixit said as much. It is a software limitation, not hardware. The max nits are the same for both in HDR. The 625 nits is only for SDR, not HDR, where HDR will be displayed most of the time in most conditions. The 625 nits vs 800 nits literally means zero in real world use for most users.


Not saying you are wrong or right. Just giving you another perspective on why someone would buy the 12 over the 12 pro. 6gb ram makes a difference to you, the camera makes a difference to you, the SS makes a difference to you or people who may buy the 12 pro. My opinion that 2gb ram might make a difference based on a person's use habits. It makes zero in my day to day for me. SS is a large downgrade in materials for the reasons mentioned. It is much cheaper than 7075 aluminum, makes the phone run hotter, is heavier. I had the X, Xs, 11pro and hated the weight of them. It's funny to hear reviewers say "more premium" materials when reviewing the pro model. When in fact it uses less premium materials. Apple marketing works on most, but not everyone.

Your reasons for the purchase of the pro are just your opinion. As are mine. Doesn't make them fact.

You totally missed the point of my post.
I will stand corrected re: the screen. As far as missing the point of your post, not sure how you gleamed that. I agree with that the 12 Pro may not be worth the extra money, and the difference b/w the regular and Pro versions are significantly less than in years past. As always, it comes down to personal opinion.
 
i had a little crack on my iPhone 6S screen back in the day, like not even in the visible display area and Apple refused to replace the battery without also fixing the display which would have cost more than just getting a used iPhone 6S so I walked out and got it replaced within minutes at a random Turkish place. Still works great as a secondary device to this day. Why force me to fix something I don’t ask to be fixed.
If you don't know, to access and replace the battery on the iPhone 6s you have to remove the display. The display being cracked means a higher chance it will crack even more or even break during the repair. The Turkish place obviously was willing to risk it and Apple wasn't. That's all.

It's not like Apple refused to replace your battery because the back of your phone was scratched...
 
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