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Impressive phone. Also really amazing to see how stacked the technology is internally being neat and organized it is. Apples engineers are truly are amazing producing awesome tech.
 
Still no mention of PWM problems with OLED screens by Macrumors. The whole iPhone lineup is OLED now and it causes major problems including health effects for a subset of affected users. And nothing. For some reason Macrumors refuses to do any news about this, despite several threads right here on this site with thousands of comments.

...and you're surprised? 🙈🙉🙊
 
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Thousands of comments from a few dozens people at most is still a few dozens people at most out of several thousands. And this is without taking into account that:

  • Some people say is from PWM OLED
  • Some people say is from Face ID
  • Some people say is from all last generation liquid retina regardless of them being OLED or not
  • Some people that have the problem also say they use their handled tiny screen device to watch movies or play games for hours on end, something that would probably cause headaches and eye strain on itself
I would also add that looking for info about the issue online, only a few quite dubious websites come up, some of them refers to "many studies proving..." without linking to any of these studies, and when searching for these studies on Google Scholar or elsewhere there is no trace of them. The only one article on Medium that apparently gives some more technical information about this issue, is from a software company that sells an app to avoid the issue. Honestly this look like a few people with eye issues and headaches trying to find online a reason for this issue, instead of going to an ophthalmologist and have it solved.
Don't try to reason with them. I tried, and they behave like the people who claim to be sensitive to electromagnetic signals.
 
It would be interesting to know if the magnetic sensor stabilization (which I already know from old Pentax times and which of course has advantages) makes the use of magnetically fixable lens attachments impossible.

After all, it will hardly be possible to integrate a real tele into a phone. And 52 mm is just a standard focal length (as everyone who payed attention at school or used to have a DSLR knows).

Nevertheless, this camera is a powerhouse that only a few years ago one would not even have dared to dream of. I was thrilled when I saw the first 12 Pro Max photos of the Milky Way (which again none of the copy-paste bloggers tried out themselves).
 
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I wonder if that L shaped battery is helping with making the 12 Pro Max feel a little better balanced than the 12 Pro.

I had a 12 Pro and returned it because the weight in combination with a feeling of top heaviness was contributing to hand strain. There was just something about the weight distribution that made it a constant extra level of effort to keep a grip.

I don’t own the 12 Pro Max yet but I’ve had several opportunities to try my husband’s phone, and despite the larger camera and increased weight, I could get a more comfortable grip on the phone that was less strain to sustain. My 11 Pro always feels heavy, but it’s better balanced so the odd weight distribution of the 12 Pro surprised me. I was expecting it to feel like my 11 Pro but it doesn’t.
Are we sure this isn't a bot posting these things ? I mean " I had a 12 Pro and returned it because the weight in combination with a feeling of top heaviness was contributing to hand strain. There was just something about the weight distribution that made it a constant extra level of effort to keep a grip. " REALLY? SERIOUSLY ??
 
Are we sure this isn't a bot posting these things ? I mean " I had a 12 Pro and returned it because the weight in combination with a feeling of top heaviness was contributing to hand strain. There was just something about the weight distribution that made it a constant extra level of effort to keep a grip. " REALLY? SERIOUSLY ??
Why on earth do you seem so personally offended by my experience?
I’m an woman over 50 who may be facing the beginning of rheumatoid or osteoarthritis like my mother has. Is it so hard to believe someone would have a different experience than you?

You question whether I am a bot yet seem to be the one lacking empathy and the ability to accept human diversity.

Not everyone who participates in this forum is a strong thirty something male. I was fine with big heavy phones until the last year. The problem with nerve pain and joint inflammation took me by surprise. But looking at my mom’s struggles, I guess I should have anticipated it.
 
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Protruding cameras ar based on bad engineering! I will never understand how Aplle could be happy with that.

Understanding is easy. Apple came to the conclusion their phone customers want better performing cameras, rather than those found in the early 2010s. You may not be aware that good product engineering is about managing a set of often conflicting design objectives and requirements, where compromise is often required.
 
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I wonder if that L shaped battery is helping with making the 12 Pro Max feel a little better balanced than the 12 Pro.

I had a 12 Pro and returned it because the weight in combination with a feeling of top heaviness was contributing to hand strain. There was just something about the weight distribution that made it a constant extra level of effort to keep a grip.

I don’t own the 12 Pro Max yet but I’ve had several opportunities to try my husband’s phone, and despite the larger camera and increased weight, I could get a more comfortable grip on the phone that was less strain to sustain. My 11 Pro always feels heavy, but it’s better balanced so the odd weight distribution of the 12 Pro surprised me. I was expecting it to feel like my 11 Pro but it doesn’t.
I agree, there is something about the Pro Max that feels very balanced. I've started using the right justified keyboard to text with one hand and it still feels very balanced. It is a big phone but you get use to it very quickly.
 
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It would be interesting to know if the magnetic sensor stabilization (which I already know from old Pentax times and which of course has advantages) makes the use of magnetically fixable lens attachments impossible.

After all, it will hardly be possible to integrate a real tele into a phone. And 52 mm is just a standard focal length (as everyone who payed attention at school or used to have a DSLR knows).

Nevertheless, this camera is a powerhouse that only a few years ago one would not even have dared to dream of. I was thrilled when I saw the first 12 Pro Max photos of the Milky Way (which again none of the copy-paste bloggers tried out themselves).


There's never been a real telephoto attachment though, it's just stacking the lenses, the equivalent of putting a magnifying glass over it. But that's neither here nor there, the camera has a magnetic back for attachments so it shouldn't be an issue if you can manage to find one designed to cover the three lenses. Moment has an attachment and youtube videos demonstrating their various lenses over the Max. It requires a case and an added mount, and you're still covering the real lens with another lens. Results are good though.
 
I have regular to large-ish hands and I still can't sign on to the "you get used to it" groupthink. I'm still getting used to the thumb gymnastics of invoking the control center on the 11 Pro. I want that sweet 12 PM camera but I can't imagine using anything larger (or fitting it into my jeans pockets) than the 11 Pro.
I hear ya man. That’s tough. Of course not EVERYONE can get used to it, but a lot of people don’t mind the gymnastics. It’s not the most amazing experience Lol, but I love it.
 
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