They know what youtube is though, a lot of youtubers do repair guides
This constant "oh you are not the average person" needs to stop, a good percentage of humanity likes DIY stuff, and it's not 1%.
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They know what youtube is though, a lot of youtubers do repair guides
This constant "oh you are not the average person" needs to stop, a good percentage of humanity likes DIY stuff, and it's not 1%.
The iMac is nice machine but Apple is definitely turning it into a very expensive disposable commodity. Long gone are the days of upgrading it to last a little longer. Of course its in Apple's best interest to stop customers from upgrading it. That way they have to buy new computers.
This wasn't an overnight progression, Apple has been making its computers more and more locked down with every iteration it seems.
I love the design, the OS, but I do have to think twice about laying out nearly 2k of my hard earned money with no future of it being upgraded.
This wasn't an overnight progression, Apple has been making its computers more and more locked down with every iteration it seems.
I love the design, the OS, but I do have to think twice about laying out nearly 2k of my hard earned money with no future of it being upgraded.
While you are right about dvd drive,you are completely wrong about upgrade..
the only real reason Apple is doing that is to make more profit by forcing users to purchase a new machine sooner by downgrading lifespan of a premium expensive desktop computer.
Don't forget it's a full on desktop computer,not a phone or travel laptop.
most people cannot afford to by whopping price of maxed out initial factory upgraded models.
and about upgradeability being 80s/90s..would you say that about Mac Pro too?
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Oh please give me a break about that environmental stuff. It's just an excuse on your part to bash Apple.
If the SSD fails under the warranty coverage, Apple will repair at no cost. On an iMac like this, or a MacBook, the AppleCare is mandatory. If you can't afford that, it's fine, don't buy an iMac.
Oh dude you should buy AppleCare.
I strongly advise to not buy a Mac without it.
They did. Deal with it.You don't solder SSD on a motherboard, not on a macbook and not on a desktop machine, it's not rocket science
Don't buy it
he said since they dropped the drive not because. obviously with every year optical drives are used less but it certainly wasnt the right time then. apple didnt help ease people of them they just made it more complicated for people.
as for being more reliable can you post stats on that? as far as being more recyclable the best thing is to be able to use the computer as long as possible and get as much out of it. its unrelated to this topic but itunes 12 not working on sl means lots of fully functioning computers cant be used with new ios devices. back on point are you really claiming that all this soldering and locking out users/hackers has made the computer more recyclable? if so then please expand.
seems quite obvious. ifixit promotes users to make and get the best out of their machines. sadly the computer industry is evolving in this way though (every big business is). then he he goes through apples history and rules and laws.
if its a serious question whether it makes sense to repair the computer because of the high repair cost then it certainly is not that serviceable. the option has to be realistic. buying and upgrading later most importantly gives people the option to really evaluate what they need and spread the cost over the lifetime of the machine.
no they havent. its only in the last few 3-4 years apple has been on this route with the imac. obviously people know that however there isnt a whole lot of other mac options out there hence the frustration.
applecare dosent make the quality any better. that cant be too hard to understand. how long you use your devices is your own prerogative.
i must say it is interesting (though not mildly surprising) to see the number of the lovers of the totalitarian rulers we have in giants like apple.
i mean jeez not trusting a site which documents every step of the teardowns because they broke an agreement you are not party to.
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Oh please give me a break from all the ardent fanboism defending of Apple. Its just an excuse to show that no matter what Apple does you and others will stick up for them over the consumer.
And when they replace it it will cause a lot more environmental damage that it should of. Applecare is not mandatory, as repairs on a very expensive computer should not involve replacing the logic board when another component dies.
But in the end whats the use? You only care about Apple's bottom line. The fact that the environment and consumers will suffer as a result of this cost cutting decision (because thats really all that it is).
But oh no, Apple's bottom line which must really be suffering. Oh poor Apple, they're doing so poorly that they need to cost cut and rip off the consumer.
What because Apple's quality is so bad that its a necessity?
Theres probably no point in me replying to you any more as in some people's eyes, As long as Apple is making that bit more, everything is fine.
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So are you saying we cannot voice our opinions that criticize Apple? We are free to voice our displeasure with the direction apple is taking. What you consider is whining, many of us think of is voicing our opinion. Not everyone blindly walks lockstep with Apple,
I think you missed the point, why give more money to Apple when they shouldn't need too.
Apple's direction on their computer line reminds me of GM back in the 80s when they basically introduced planned obsolesces into the cars, i.e., they designed the cars to only last a few years so you had to go back and buy a new one. While Apple quality is still good, I see a similar approach by Apple.
The low end models are very expensive in comparison to really cheap PCs but also a mix of crippled combinations just to cater websurfers and Mail c
Luckily for some reason there are some weird cycles that make old practices to become a hip or cool thing therefore there may be crop of new kids whom will be leaning towards liking computers that are "tinkerable" therefore the Macs may come back in full glory sometime in the not so distant future...I hope...They know what youtube is though, a lot of youtubers do repair guides
This constant "oh you are not the average person" needs to stop, a good percentage of humanity likes DIY stuff, and it's not 1%.
Every comment you make on MR makes me more and more sure I would never want to have a conversation with you.
Bringing that up again on an entirely unrelated post just demonstrates the kind of person you are.
I'm glad to see the staff members apply logic to their thinking.
An important point is that in Europe Apple's warranty covers 2 years vs. in the US only 1 year. If US consumers start demanding it, we may see a spin in the market. I boggles my mind how polarized the consumer behavior in the US tend to be either consumers that don't give a crap on how their possessions are used and if something gets broken they tossed it and buy a replacement vs. those that think very carefully what they buy, and once they invest on it they try to make it last as much as possible, in some cases to the extreme of neglecting new technology or just balancing the needs vs the wants and nice to have features.
There seems to be a very few of us that dabble in between them.
For my Macs I do want them to be powerful fast and upgradable, and terrible hate when apple releases a new OS X version that doesn't run all the new features in the former hardware just because they purposely want to drive sales of the new models even you can make a simple upgrade or buy an accessory to make it work.
The optical drive (Superdrive) is a good example of something they decided to keep releasing without BluRay until they removed it completely. Good that there are plenty of options to buy an external BluRay drive/burner, it took a few months to have them in the market with proper OS X support, but there are some workarounds.
Sadly keeping spinning HDD at 5400 rpm in a late 2015 iMac is a carefully measured moved by Apple Marketing and its fueling those know it all rich kids that are used to pay extra for everything on top of the Apple Care premium payment.
There seems to be a very few of us that dabble in between them.
For my Macs I do want them to be powerful fast and upgradable, and terrible hate when apple releases a new OS X version that doesn't run all the new features in the former hardware just because they purposely want to drive sales of the new models even you can make a simple upgrade or buy an accessory to make it work.
The optical drive (Superdrive) is a good example of something they decided to keep releasing without BluRay until they removed it completely. Good that there are plenty of options to buy an external BluRay drive/burner, it took a few months to have them in the market with proper OS X support, but there are some workarounds.
Sadly keeping spinning HDD at 5400 rpm in a late 2015 iMac is a carefully measured moved by Apple Marketing and its fueling those know it all rich kids that are used to pay extra for everything on top of the Apple Care premium payment.
What I've learn over the years you shouldn't judge customer satisfaction by the mood on this forum.
If you listen to people here, Apple is doomed .... since 1988
In addition to this there are plenty of countries where Apple is trying to penetrate that still do sell plenty of CDs, DVDs and BluRays on their streets.They know what youtube is though, a lot of youtubers do repair guides
This constant "oh you are not the average person" needs to stop, a good percentage of humanity likes DIY stuff, and it's not 1%.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1912340/mcdonalds-sales-plunge/
McDonald's is more akin to the rest of the PC industry, they raced to the bottom and found out it wasn't the right place to be.
An SSD doesn't have PCI-e speeds...it's almost as if you're not understanding that this is a large cache for the actual hard drive.
Frankly, if I was being cheapskate, I'd just replace the hard drive with a budget SATA SSD. Any SSD will turbocharge boot up and application opening, and it will be a lot cheaper than a PCIe one. AFAIK Apple's PCIe SSDs are proprietary anyway so you'd have to get one of uncertain provenance off eBay or as an spare from Apple (which won't be cheap).
That said: deal with it folks: the real "entry level" iMac 4k is the 256G SSD model at US$1699, the $1499 one is just a marketing strategy (or maybe for some customers who won't buy SSDs).
True. On the other hand, the whole PC market has been going down the toilet recently, partly because most people no longer need the power of their machine to double every year. Apple are one of the few companies bucking the trend. The inconvenient truth is that if Apple sold you an xMac (the proverbial upgradeable mini-tower with an i5 or i7 and a GPU in a PCIe slot) today, you'd get the base model, trick it out from eBay and wouldn't need to replace it for a decade.
My 2011 17" MBP with 8GB RAM is still perfectly respectable today - slapping a SSD in it a couple of years back gave it a new lease of life. The only serious nuisance is that it lacks USB3, which I can add via ExpressCard. Good news for me - bad news for Apple.
The iMac is more and more like a laptop. I can understand from a production POV it will lower costs but if things go wrong it's gonna be easier for them to replace the whole computer than take it apart.
Had a 2011 MBP video card issue fixed last week. Thankfully it was under a recall notice so cost nothing but it did mean a whole new main board so virtually a new computer. I guess its now worth more to get Apple care than it even was if things go wrong with most new Apple computers.
Had a 2011 MBP video card issue fixed last week. Thankfully it was under a recall notice so cost nothing but it did mean a whole new main board so virtually a new computer. I guess its now worth more to get Apple care than it even was if things go wrong with most new Apple computers.
I'm just saying that sales doesn't mean the best decisions are not being made.
I understand perfectly what the fusion drive is
It's inconvenient for the current state of affairs at Apple. That is the typical behavior of a non innovative company. Even though an xMac can be ran for many years if they indeed release new real hardware features that justify making the upgrade to a new machine worth it then they will stop the nonsense. The market will be well segmented and Apple will be catering all of them, still offering all-in-ones with some disposable models for the masses and upgradable ones for those who love the simplicity of a single package; xMac for those that like to build it and configura and continually make upgrades; Mac Pro for super powerful users; portables with super batteries and mobile features, etc...
If they increase just a tiny bit the investment in the Mac market without making them smaller and smaller, thinner and thinner but powerful and adding new tech to them they will have nothing to worry about because we will keep buying them.
3D printing is there fore the taking, and having the right technology to play with it and dominate the market is still to be seen. Hopefully they ant up the game.
The other future Mac line is the portable hybrid like the recent Surface Pro models, and so on...
Apple Care seems to be a necessary evil that should be considered as part of the retail price.
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Seems funny how there are so many old PC's in the world, very old ones, still working, having their RAM upgraded, as it as expensive when these PC's were new.
Perhaps a new graphics card, perhaps a SSD to replace the old hard drive, and giving these old PC more life still.
Yet Apple keep branding themselves as the GREEN company doing the very best it can for the environment, yet on the other hand making sure new Apple computers will have to be scrapped, unlike the millions of old PC's around the world that, as I said, get upgraded and keep running for X or XX more years.
We all know this is all about Apple making the very most money.
Yet they sell it as if they are making the best computers and thinking of the environment 100%
God know what they will do to a car if they ever make one!!!!
Perhaps a new graphics card, perhaps a SSD to replace the old hard drive, and giving these old PC more life still.
Yet Apple keep branding themselves as the GREEN company doing the very best it can for the environment, yet on the other hand making sure new Apple computers will have to be scrapped, unlike the millions of old PC's around the world that, as I said, get upgraded and keep running for X or XX more years.
We all know this is all about Apple making the very most money.
Yet they sell it as if they are making the best computers and thinking of the environment 100%
God know what they will do to a car if they ever make one!!!!
I'm sure a few people buy an iMac primarily to play CDs/DVDs - but not many. Meanwhile, plugging in a USB optical drive is no big problem since they don't need any more than USB 2 speeds. On the (increasingly rare) occasions that I buy a disc, the optical drive comes out of the cupboard for long enough to rip it to HD, then goes back in - I certainly don't need it plugged in.
Also, in my experience, those low-profile optical drives are horribly unreliable - you really, really don't want one built into a laptop or all-in-one.
How do you connect the two.
That's like saying how can I trust your cooking quality as a chef, when you avoided paying the tax you should have done this year.
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Yes, he was instrumental in moving Apple's production overseas. Apple products were mostly made in the US until fairly recently, even the original iMacs. Everything I wrote is true. Trade with China didn't ramp up till the 1970s. A lot of high-tech manufacturing didn't move there until much more recently (relatively speaking—I don't know how old you are—I'm taking a longer view of this).
As far as repairability, if you look at Apple service manuals, the procedure for repairing parts is mostly to replace them. If a retina MacBook Pro has a crack in the display, you don't just replace the display, you replace the whole top assembly. If the battery is worn out, you replace the top case as the battery is glued to it.
No. My point is if they indeed do only care about money, they will be catering their new potential customers. Everything on the street is not necessarily illegal.
Apple makes their computer very hard to upgrade because at the current computer speeds+upgrading the CPU or GPU, your computer purchase cycle might last as long as 10 years. If people will buy a new computer every 10 years, then Apple might as well shut down that division
I have macbook 2008, and tbh, its still running well(upgraded RAM and HDD).
I have macbook 2008, and tbh, its still running well(upgraded RAM and HDD).