And there in lies the problem. "Only thing Apple is listening are sales numbers." - So Apple couldn't care about what the iMac is like given it sells. With that attitude Apple is well on the way to being the Microsoft of old. We don't care how bad Windows is, as long as it is selling.
Microsoft didn't sell computers at the time...
Windows didn't sell very well. Most of the copies were pirated for years.
Yes, Apple listen to sales numbers, like any company should do. iMacs don't sell ? Ok people don't like it and they have to change their decisions.
But if Mac sales keep going up in the next quarter like they did in the last, well ....
What a bloody elitist attitude. " if you can't afford the one you need straight up". I try to keep my computers for 6-7 years so buying what i need in 7 years is going to cost a BOMB. If I had gone down the road of a Retina Macbook Pro, it would have cost me $1500 more than what I paid for my non retina Pro( with my requirement of a 1TB SSD and RAM). I'm glad you can obviously afford to pay truckloads more for your future needs but I can't afford it at Apple's highway robbery upgrade prices. it is an absolute joke.
It's life, dude.
A 4K iMac is not a computer you can keep 7 years. If you are looking for something like that, look in another direction.
If you configure it accordingly, it will last 4-5 years. And you need money to do that. You can't afford it, you don't buy it.
This is not just about me. Its about the general population who will not upgrade their computers at purchase. Many don't. That makes their machines a very poor second hand machine, where as an upgradable baseline will allow the second purchaser to make use of it, instead of it going to waste. As I said, very few old Macs would be in service now had they not been upgradable.
You are free to do whatever you want with you money.
Don't speak about the general population, because I think Apple 's market analysis department knows better than you what their target is.
Are you serious? 3 Years is not a long time. Paying for an extra 2 years is very expensive and then what happens after that? Hit with logic board replacement fees for a simple SDD failure which will probably occur outside the warranty period anyway.
Why should we have to hand Apple more money for an overpriced warranty on an overpriced computer that should not have the SSD soldered in the first place?
3 years for me are a reasonable period of time for a computer.
You think differently? Don't buy a Mac.
To me AppleCare is a must.
McDonalds sales are probably also growing. So they make the perfect food then?
So we pay more money to Apple for having the SSD soldered to the logic board which provides no benefit to us? Right.
This shows absolute fanboism. You're standing up for Apple over the customer.
Last time I checked, McDonald's sold hamburgers, not computers....
Again, I'm not going to buy an iMac.
It doesn't fit my needs.
How long should a Mac priced more than $1000 last?
Why should we pay extra to keep it running?
Again it isn't my issue, it's Apple quality issue.
You can google it and see these are not isolated cases.
Because many Apple customers are used to pay the extra money and feel superior Apple quality isn't getting any better because they make more money out of it, either because many of the new crop of Apple
Customers are used to replace the iPods and iPhones every year and pay for the Apple care.
Refusing to pay for an insurance to cover Apple's terrible quality is my choice. Sadly I'm not in the current majority of new Apple customers.
If only more consumers behave better then Apple will improve their quality.
Apple quality is simply the best I found, bending in the field since 1987.
On google I could find a flying horse: that doesn't make it true.
he said since they dropped the drive not because. obviously with every year optical drives are used less but it certainly wasnt the right time then. apple didnt help ease people of them they just made it more complicated for people.
as for being more reliable can you post stats on that? as far as being more recyclable the best thing is to be able to use the computer as long as possible and get as much out of it. its unrelated to this topic but itunes 12 not working on sl means lots of fully functioning computers cant be used with new ios devices. back on point are you really claiming that all this soldering and locking out users/hackers has made the computer more recyclable? if so then please expand.
seems quite obvious. ifixit promotes users to make and get the best out of their machines. sadly the computer industry is evolving in this way thought (every big business is). then he he goes through apples history and rules and laws.
if its a serious question whether it makes sense to repair the computer because of the high repair cost then it certainly is not that serviceable. the option has to be realistic. buying and upgrading later most importantly gives people the option to really evaluate what they need and spread the cost over the lifetime of the machine.
no they havent. its only in the last few 3-4 years apple has been on this route with the imac. obviously people know that however there isnt a whole lot of other mac options out there hence the frustration.
applecare dosent make the quality any better. that cant be too hard to understand. how long you use your devices is your own prerogative.
i must say it is interesting (though not mildly surprising) to see the number of the lovers of the totalitarian rulers we have in giants like apple.
i mean jeez not trusting a site which documents every step of the teardowns because they broke an agreement you are not party to.
Again. Don't like iMacs ? Don't buy it.
From what I'm seeing, there are plenty of happy users out of this thread.
But the pattern is well known on this forum: if don't scream, and cry, and bash Apple in every post you are a fanboy.
The hilarious thing is that I criticized the new iMac since the beginning and I said several times I'm not going to buy one.
But nobody even took the time to actually read my posts.
If you don't say "Apple is evil" you don't worth any attention here
Oh please give me a break from your ardent fanboism defending of Apple. Its just an excuse on your part to show that no matter what Apple does you'll stick up for them over the consumer.
And when they replace it it will cause a lot more environmental damage that it should of. Applecare is not mandatory, as repairs on a very expensive computer should not involve replacing the logic board when another component dies.
But in the end whats the use? You only care about Apple's bottom line. The fact that the environment and consumers will suffer as a result of this cost cutting decision (because thats really all that it is).
But oh no, Apple's bottom line which must really be suffering. Oh poor Apple, they're doing so poorly that they need to cost cut and rip off the consumer.
What because Apple's quality is so bad that its a necessity?
Theres probably no point in me replying to you any more as in some people's eyes, As long as Apple is making that bit more, everything is fine.
Apple quality is among (if not THE) the best on the market.
And you bashers saying something different doesn't change a proved fact (look at customer satisfaction numbers).
So are you saying we cannot voice our opinions that criticize Apple? We are free to voice our displeasure with the direction apple is taking. What you consider is whining, many of us think of is voicing our opinion. Not everyone blindly walks lockstep with Apple,
I think you missed the point, why give more money to Apple when they shouldn't need too.
Apple's direction on their computer line reminds me of GM back in the 80s when they basically introduced planned obsolesces into the cars, i.e., they designed the cars to only last a few years so you had to go back and buy a new one. While Apple quality is still good, I see a similar approach by Apple.
Voicing opinions is a matter, fueling up hysteria like some well known users are doing in every single news is another matter.
I know perfectly well your attitude regarding Apple, even if you are a moderator (this is not an Apple forum). You are entitled to have your idea , like I'm entitled to have mine.
As a moderator you should avoid people name calling me (I was referred as a fanboy several times in this thread), but that's another matter. I don't really care, I'm an Apple supporter after all. I didn't even report them.
You don't like the way Apple is going.
In some way I don't like it too.
I said what I don't like about iMacs, I'd like to discuss about performance and options instead of read tons of posts about how evil Apple is. Don't you agree ?
