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Oooooh, not just a failure. But a COLOSSAL FAILURE! Perhaps demand for the pencil exceeded Apple's wildest expectations? Sometimes that even happens with new iPhones being introduced, pushing out availability for several months. Fortunately, we all have choices and different brands available. Maybe a Surface Pro would be better for you?

Ok buddy.
 
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Of course this is the only headline MR could have chosen. :rolleyes:

Stupid Apple putting decent speakers in this device. Because no one will be using it to consume audio or video and if they do they'd surely be using headphones or Bluetooth speakers. And using that space for bigger batteries wouldn't make the device heavier and more uncomfortable to hold for longer periods of time. /s

I can't wait to test the speakers out. I love the idea of not needing to carry a bluetooth speaker with me when travelling.
 
Im a bit confused as to exactly how big the speakers are. On the first picture i can see a small black and white speaker probably about 2" square at most, then between that and the battery there is another black slab possibly about 4" x 2", is that part of the speaker as well?
 
Id rather a bigger battery than better speakers to be honest.. The only sounds my iPad air makes out loud at the moment is notifications.. if I even have it off silent. Everything else goes through my Beats Studios or EarPods.

I wouldn't. I also expect most of these to be used for businesses that include them for Display Kiosks and much more. The four speakers will greatly improve the interactivity. They'll be plugged in at all times.
 
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Id rather a bigger battery than better speakers to be honest.. The only sounds my iPad air makes out loud at the moment is notifications.. if I even have it off silent. Everything else goes through my Beats Studios or EarPods.

Then it'd be better to have the battery twice as thick for best of both worlds. The 4 speaker design, whether YOU use them or not, is such a great feature which truly sets this device apart from all other tablets on the market that it would be a shame to see it disappear due to complainers like you. Either way, doubling the battery size in any direction would add a lot of weight so I'm sure Apple is content with their formula here. Not to mention, when is Apple truly about having huge batteries anyway? Compare iPhone 6S Plus vs Droid Turbo 2.
 
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I love iFixit and appreciate their insight to say the speakers take up what could have been 50% more battery BUT I don't like their tone. It's as if they're saying it would have been better to have the added battery and added weight that goes along with it. To make matters worse, that's exactly the trend people are saying now but I bet prior to the teardown they were plenty happy with the 10hr battery life. The 4 speaker design is one of the most innovative ideas to come out since the birth of the tablet and arguably the main reason I'd buy it over any other iPad. Is it acceptable to have 1 speaker facing off to the right on your home TV? No, so when did it become acceptable for tablets which have primarily been proven as media consumption devices by consumers to have 1 sideways facing speaker? At least with a home TV you can always buy a sound bar but who really wants to clip a sound bar to a tablet or constantly carry a bluetooth speaker? I applaud Apple for doing the right thing here. The iPad Pro is a great 1st gen but hopefully the iPad Pro 2 will feature force touch, a lighter pencil that attaches and charges magnetically to the sides, a 1080p front camera/4K rear, the rumored e-SIM card (basically an integrated reprogrammable Apple SIM), microUSB-C instead of lightning, and a few improvements with iOS10. That's when I'd buy my very first tablet.
 
9 pages discussing this story - seems fairly relevant to me.

Well, they might soon be irrelevant in the sense that almost none of the tablets and ultrabooks out these days are user repairable.

But they are pretty interesting if you like to see what the guts of your electronics look like. If anyone can crack something, iFixit are usually the ones to do it first.
 
When i suddenly read a bit more negative news from a company who's been slapped on the fingers .. I just start to wonder sour grapes. It's probably just me.
 
Id rather a bigger battery than better speakers to be honest.. The only sounds my iPad air makes out loud at the moment is notifications.. if I even have it off silent. Everything else goes through my Beats Studios or EarPods.

I'd rather just have a super ***tty experience on the iPad Pro and it be prolonged as much as possible.

In fact, why doesn't Apple just release a big slab of battery and call that the iPad? No speakers, display, camera, sensors; i.e. nearly useless components like these that just suck up the battery life.
 
And how would you accomplish that?
Less metal, less glass, lighter components, newer battery tech, fast charging, wireless charging
Just hoping that later versions of iPad pro are similar weight to current iPad air

Actually what would be nice is the offspring of a rMBP, the new macbook and an iPad Pro
 
There are many ways to reduce the weight of an object...

Great! Being a systems and hardware engineer I would love to learn your approach to getting the weight of the iPad Pro down to that of an iPad Mini, without reducing battery life, performance, features, or durability/robustness. Details would be great.
 
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WAIT! iFixit is telling us that it has a low repairability score. What a shocker. And this is news or important why? It's AN iPad. You're not really suppose to take it apart yourself!

the lower the repairability score the less likely folks are to buy their tools and parts to fix it
 
Great! Being a systems and hardware engineer I would love to learn your approach to getting the weight of the iPad Pro down to that of an iPad Mini, without reducing battery life, performance, features, or durability/robustness. Details would be great.
Why would I the non expert need to tell you the expert? Isn't it your job to figure it out? Apple does this every year making devices like the iPad Air a lot lighter than the original iPad 1.

Laptops of today are more than half the weight of laptops of the past. That is what I meant by my comment...
 
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If IfixIt discovered that Apple could have increased the iPad Po's battery by 50%, why is the usage 9-10 still ? shouldn't it be lower at a 50% loss?

so the low repair-ability score is suppose to frighten people. into taking it to Apple :D

(Looks like it works too)
 
Why would I the non expert need to tell you the expert? Isn't it your job to figure it out? Apple does this every year making devices like the iPad Air a lot lighter than the original iPad 1.

Laptops of today are more than half the weight of laptops of the past. That is what I meant by my comment...

Up above you confidently claimed, "There are many ways to reduce the weight of an object..." when I replied to your wanting the iPad Pro to be the weight of an iPad Mini.

Was asking how you would go about doing that. Even with my engineering background I don't think there's any way to make the iPad Pro the same weight as an iPad Mini without severely compromising battery life, performance, features and build - with the technology that's available today or in the near future.

Thus my original question: How would YOU do that?
 
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I'd rather just have a super ***tty experience on the iPad Pro and it be prolonged as much as possible.

In fact, why doesn't Apple just release a big slab of battery and call that the iPad? No speakers, display, camera, sensors; i.e. nearly useless components like these that just suck up the battery life.

You really didn't read what I wrote at all did you? I had just said that I would have preferred a bigger battery than bigger speakers. Simple. Not ruin the experience overall, get rid of all the components. I know your hyperbolising but to ME, I would prefer the powerhouse that it is with a bigger battery rather than have 'echo chambers' or whatever it is inside. Then again I'm not an engineer at Apple so I can't talk whether they're needed or not. I know "10 hours on wifi surfing the web" is a lot but when you really use the iPad Pro for what it's designed for can you really get through a whole day without charging it? I guess we'll see @filmantopia.
 
50% more battery would be nice, but batteries account a significant amount of the weight of the device. Doubling the battery capacity would increase the weight of the device by idk ~30% or more.

So when it comes to Apple, they are more particular about user experience than overall performance. Sure, they are great with performance, but if that performance is too detrimental to the user experience, it's a sacrifice Apple will make. Apple likely sees the speakers as higher priority over battery due to the detrimental effects of a heavier tablet device.

I'm sure people would have appreciated 25-50% more battery life, especially since it can take ~4 hours to charge. But I kinda understand why Apple settled for their current setup. Plus, Apple likes to leave room for improvement. This may just be one of those things they hold back on in order to sell upgrades.
 
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