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iFixit Tears Down Battery, Improved Keyboard, and Removable SSD of MacBook Pro Without Touch Bar
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You triggered him. You should of known better. Leave him alone in his safe space until he is ready to come out.
The keyboard in this machine is actually not that bad - but I still like the original (classic and retina) keyboard the most.
Guys, the writing has been on the wall since the Airs came out: if you want to upgrade and repair your laptop, stop using Apple hardware. Your options are:
1. Deal with it.
2. Get a new platform.
3. Go the Hackintosh route.
Apple has made their direction clear and for the small fraction of the population that services and upgrades their own machines, the direction sucks. I get it. My first OS X running Mac was a Mini I picked up in 2004 and before I even booted it up I popped it open and upgraded the RAM to 1GB from the stock 256MB because the BTO prices from Apple have ALWAYS sucked. I still pick up older Macs off CL and upgrade them with spare parts for people I know.
With that said, I don't have any delusion that my hobby is something that factors into Apple's business or design plans. I also know that professionally, the time value I get out of Apple's platform is not worth crying over a few hundred bucks over. If it was, it would be time to switch platforms not take to MacRumors and whine like someone that just can't get over their ex.
The original unibody MBPs were some of the easiest machines to work on—the generation before that was a nightmare. Then, Airs and rMBPs came it that was that. C'est la vie.
1. Deal with it.
2. Get a new platform.
3. Go the Hackintosh route.
Apple has made their direction clear and for the small fraction of the population that services and upgrades their own machines, the direction sucks. I get it. My first OS X running Mac was a Mini I picked up in 2004 and before I even booted it up I popped it open and upgraded the RAM to 1GB from the stock 256MB because the BTO prices from Apple have ALWAYS sucked. I still pick up older Macs off CL and upgrade them with spare parts for people I know.
With that said, I don't have any delusion that my hobby is something that factors into Apple's business or design plans. I also know that professionally, the time value I get out of Apple's platform is not worth crying over a few hundred bucks over. If it was, it would be time to switch platforms not take to MacRumors and whine like someone that just can't get over their ex.
The original unibody MBPs were some of the easiest machines to work on—the generation before that was a nightmare. Then, Airs and rMBPs came it that was that. C'est la vie.
How would I change brightness? How would I use the f-keys (I know most people don't)? Volume? Next track, play, pause? All that stuff moves around so I'll HAVE to look at the bar.
And yeah, I agree, can't compare. While execution is different idea is the sameJust because it will be more responsive, and prettier, doesn't change what it does.
From what I can see though, it seems like you can customize it. So maybe that's not bad.
Maybe I'm torn and being stupid. At the same time, some of the context stuff on x-code looks nice. So you don't have to hunt down menus, but I kind of already remapped all the functions I need with shortcut keys.
What are your honest thoughts? I know it's impossible without trying, but just wondering.
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I actually played with it yesterday. The keyboard does feel different. I wasn't so against the MacBook one, but man, this one is NICE. It has more travel and a more satisfying click on each press. The keys on my MacBook Pro right now feel mushy compared to the new ones. Like I'm using one of those rubber keyboards.
Having to look at the bar when you want to change the brightness or skip a song, doesn't sound very bad. If you had to look at the bar every time you wanted to like CMD+C or something, then I would understand.
I have not seen the Xcode context stuff yet, where do you see that?
Not to mention that the SSD for now is not a standard drive so you may be stuck with 256gb for some time
Agreed!
People can complain about how they love big heavy batteries or whatever, but most of us want the computer to have 10-12 hours battery life & have the smallest battery (thus shortest charging time, greatest energy efficience, & lowest energy use footprint) able to achieve that.
If you could run the MacBook off a watch battery for ten hours, then it took ten minutes to charge... I'd call that a solid win for consumers AND the environment!
Let that be the goal.
As Billy said:
"Lay on, Macduff,
And damned be him that first cries, “Hold, enough!”".
One of the repair sites. Dont know anymore which one. I googled a lot. OWC i think.
People are already making raspberry noises at the current Mini verses the last one.
I hope the 15in is a total failure at the cash register, this **** is too damn expensive for what it is. After Thursday I just went on EBAY and got a brand new 2015 MBP for $1800 which even still feels expensive to me. But in no way will I ever spend $2400 - $2500 for a laptop.
PC Magazine says they got 12 hours with the 13" escape version of the MacBook pro. http://www.pcmag.com/review/349178/apple-macbook-pro-13-inch-2016
So, if anything, Apple has UNDER estimated battery life. I think you'll be fine.
You know the more research I'm doing and looking at keynote hands on videos of the bar, it actually looks pretty sweet. So you are probably, right, will prove very useful once we have it.
I don't remember the video of xcode running it. Basically it had things like step into, step out of, debug, run, run simulator. They showed you can switch out different emulators. It had some buttons for constraints on the designer... I don't mean coding for the bar, I mean using the bar for coding in Xcode.
I really wish I could find it. I'll look through my browse history. I've been reading literally hundreds of "thoughts" on the new Mac and this popped up. I'll post back if I can find it.
I seem to remember talk, a while back, that SkyLake would eliminate the need for fans. A Mac with no moving parts would be cool, they could even make it water proof.
The answer is simple. Do not buy!!
They are watching and waiting for the money...
If it does not come, they will fix their mistake.
Simple...
They are watching and waiting for the money...
If it does not come, they will fix their mistake.
Simple...
Man, our family is sitting on 2 late 2011 MBP's and one 2014 retina, as well as several mini's that we use for media servers, web servers, and whatnot. I was really hoping that this release would bring something worthy of "Christmasing". After putting Crucial SSD's in place of my 5400 HDD's in my MBP's, I can't find one compelling reason to look at anything new at this point.
In other non-related news, I did pick up a 256GB Sim-free iP 7 Plus last week, and I have to say I'm loving the extra capacity and actually really starting dig the new style home button, so I'm not 100% down on Apple right now; just about 73%.
I agree on both counts: my 7 Plus is stunning and one of the best devices I've ever owned, and these new MBP's are not doing it for me. I'm happily staying with iPhone, but probably will go with Windows machines for my upcoming computer purchases. Windows (and those computers) have improved as much as the Mac has slipped, so the combination should be fine.
Obviously his point is, why pay for something you don't want to use. You just said yourself you're not likely to use the touchbar that much. Is it hard for you to imagine someone just wanting the high-end machine paying for the touchbar?
They keep calling the keyboard "improved", and maybe the design is different from the one in the Macbook. But, every review I've read says it feels exactly the same as the one in the Macbook and if you have problems typing on that one you'll have the same issues with the Pro.
Man, our family is sitting on 2 late 2011 MBP's and one 2014 retina, as well as several mini's that we use for media servers, web servers, and whatnot. I was really hoping that this release would bring something worthy of "Christmasing". After putting Crucial SSD's in place of my 5400 HDD's in my MBP's, I can't find one compelling reason to look at anything new at this point.
In other non-related news, I did pick up a 256GB Sim-free iP 7 Plus last week, and I have to say I'm loving the extra capacity and actually really starting dig the new style home button, so I'm not 100% down on Apple right now; just about 73%.
My situation exactly. Option a, drop Mac for 5 years; option b, wait another cycle for Apple to show some love, if not, drop Apple forever.
This is my comment on Apple:
I'm a really loyal apple fan, but I'm also a rational person. For the first time, I hopelessly fell apple really messed up this round of release. I think apple's problem is getting unmanageable.
Tim can be a great COO and a VP of supply chain, but he is not and he will never become the brain and heart of Apple.
What apple needs is not time, not patient from customers, not fancy marketing, but a visionary who is competent enough to envision and guide Apple in next 50 years. Someone who can sell products in simple plain paper envelopes. Someone who can define the future of computing while presenting products that seamlessly transitions from the past industry standards. Someone who lust engineering perfection in products while understanding business economics. Someone who is a system builder that integrates all the service and products within the Ecosystem to provide an ease of mind for customers (starting by allowing iPhones to be plugged into Macbooks, Apple ear pods to be plugged into Macs, Mac standard USB-c to be plugged into IOS devices). Someone who leads, someone who creates, someone who can be the center of Apple - the Apple core, just like Steve.
Apple's outcome today was theorized by Steve decades ago. You can skip to 25:44s to see Steve's explanation of the fall of a great company or watch the entire interview. Link is here ---https://youtu.be/TRZAJY23xio?t=25m44s
My deepest condolences to Apple - once a miracle of greatness, no longer.
