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iHologram - For Real This Time

MacFly123 said:
THANK YOU! I saw the headline and then watched the video and I was like... HUH :confused: I guess it is kind of cool, but pretty worthless.
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So where is the link to one of your submissions to the app store? Nothing?

Well you know what they say, those who can, do and those who cannot, critique.

Have you ever even written any code at all that was consumed by other users? Have you written any software period?
 
aristotle said:
So where is the link to one of your submissions to the app store? Nothing?

Well you know what they say, those who can, do and those who cannot, critique.

Have you ever even written any code at all that was consumed by other users? Have you written any software period?
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Funny, I guess the opinion of the consumer or end user doesn't matter. :rolleyes:

And actually I am an iPhone developer. I have 3 apps that are currently in development. :rolleyes:

If you can't take the heat, don't put yourself out there. It is a cool concept, but there isn't really any use for it, AKA useless. :rolleyes:
 
aristotle said:
So where is the link to one of your submissions to the app store? Nothing?

Well you know what they say, those who can, do and those who cannot, critique.

Have you ever even written any code at all that was consumed by other users? Have you written any software period?
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What does insulting this dude have to do with the touting of something that is false. Fact is it is 3d, it is NOT a hologram. You could argue all day just to be annoying but the facts remain. No one is stating that the submitter of the app is in any way incompetent. What was stated was that, it was said to be something, that it clearly is not. A hologram equals projection. Nothing here is projected anywhere, it is on a flat surface. Hence . . no hologram.
 
Stately said:
What does insulting this dude have to do with the touting of something that is false. Fact is it is 3d, it is NOT a hologram. You could argue all day just to be annoying but the facts remain. No one is stating that the submitter of the app is in any way incompetent. What was stated was that, it was said to be something, that it clearly is not. A hologram equals projection. Nothing here is projected anywhere, it is on a flat surface. Hence . . no hologram.
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Uhhh...no. Holograms are specifically 3-D images that have been captured on a 2-D surface. True that this iPhone app is not truly a hologram but your assertion about "projection" is simply incorrect. You probably have a hologram on your driver's license. Is anything being projected there?

You're thinking of Star Trek's Holodeck or R2D2's projection of Princess Leia.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/hologram.htm
 
blybug said:
Uhhh...no. Holograms are specifically 3-D images that have been captured on a 2-D surface. True that this iPhone app is not truly a hologram but your assertion about "projection" is simply incorrect. You probably have a hologram on your driver's license. Is anything being projected there?

You're thinking of Star Trek's Holodeck or R2D2's projection of Princess Leia.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/hologram.htm
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Yes that is exactly along the lines of what I'm thinking, because that is a TRUE hologram. I can draw in 3d, last time I checked I didn't see anything floating off of the paper.
 
Stately said:
Yes that is exactly along the lines of what I'm thinking, because that is a TRUE hologram. I can draw in 3d, last time I checked I didn't see anything floating off of the paper.
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No, a TRUE hologram is what is described in the link, a 3-D image captured using lasers and holographic film that allows you to see the image from different sides and angles on a flat 2-D surface depending on your viewing angle and direction. They are fairly commonplace (check out many commercial DVD covers) and the technology to create them has existed for a long time.

Your idea of 3-D holographic projection has, until recently, been solely in the world of science fiction. Some progress has been made in the real world and has been shown off at various high-profile events, but is far from being a consumer technology. Certainly no reason to believe that the "iHologram" program for the iPhone would be anything but a visual simulation or optical illusion creating the same sense of depth, angle and rotation of a standard flat holographic image, by using the iPhone's internal accelerometer to determine the viewing angle.

3-D drawing or rendering on a computer screen does not allow you to see the "front" of a character facing away from you by turning your drawing or screen more "sideways" relative to your eyes. That's exactly what happens with a TRUE holographic image (flat), and what is simulated by this iPhone app.
 
MacFly123 said:
Funny, I guess the opinion of the consumer or end user doesn't matter. :rolleyes:

And actually I am an iPhone developer. I have 3 apps that are currently in development. :rolleyes:

If you can't take the heat, don't put yourself out there. It is a cool concept, but there isn't really any use for it, AKA useless. :rolleyes:
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iphonemom said:
cant wait to see it in action. :D
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It's out in the app-store (I'm the developer). Kind of sad to see the thread turn into flamefests into what are holograms and what are not, how this app is useless etc.

But, if I may add, Stately, volumetric displays are not holograms, in fact that article you posted says that holograms *may* be considered part of volumetric display.

As for how real the app looks, if you have a 3D glasses it looks pretty good. I've done as much as I could with regards to it's 3D-ness (aka making it as holograph-y), but there's always magnetic interference, lag between accelerometer and output etc, and the phone's inability to detect where your head is. And the fact that it only works for one person.

But it's there, the result of a few days' worth of work and some maths. Enjoy it, I guess..
 
underthesun said:
It's out in the app-store (I'm the developer). Kind of sad to see the thread turn into flamefests into what are holograms and what are not, how this app is useless etc.

But, if I may add, Stately, volumetric displays are not holograms, in fact that article you posted says that holograms *may* be considered part of volumetric display.

As for how real the app looks, if you have a 3D glasses it looks pretty good. I've done as much as I could with regards to it's 3D-ness (aka making it as holograph-y), but there's always magnetic interference, lag between accelerometer and output etc, and the phone's inability to detect where your head is. And the fact that it only works for one person.

But it's there, the result of a few days' worth of work and some maths. Enjoy it, I guess..
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Listen, I tip my hat to you. I'm not trying to be a jerk as I know what it is like to put yourself out there and have the public (online or otherwise) blast you one way or another. But I am assuming you are aware that this app you have made, although a cool concept, will likely be very niche. It is more of a proof of concept than a piece of software that provides lots of uses or entertainment. Am I wrong?
 
Just bought it! Very cool effect and yes, great proof of concept that could be integrated into games and other apps. Of course it's not actually a "hologram" but a very clever use of the iPhone's intrinsic abilities to create an effect beyond simple 3-D rendering!!

Kudos!
 
MacFly123 said:
Listen, I tip my hat to you. I'm not trying to be a jerk as I know what it is like to put yourself out there and have the public (online or otherwise) blast you one way or another. But I am assuming you are aware that this app you have made, although a cool concept, will likely be very niche. It is more of a proof of concept than a piece of software that provides lots of uses or entertainment. Am I wrong?
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have no idea, a lot, that's for sure. I mainly use them between 3 and 7 volts, so it's very dependant on the speed you run them at aswell.
 
underthesun said:
It's out in the app-store (I'm the developer). Kind of sad to see the thread turn into flamefests into what are holograms and what are not, how this app is useless etc.

But, if I may add, Stately, volumetric displays are not holograms, in fact that article you posted says that holograms *may* be considered part of volumetric display.

As for how real the app looks, if you have a 3D glasses it looks pretty good. I've done as much as I could with regards to it's 3D-ness (aka making it as holograph-y), but there's always magnetic interference, lag between accelerometer and output etc, and the phone's inability to detect where your head is. And the fact that it only works for one person.

But it's there, the result of a few days' worth of work and some maths. Enjoy it, I guess..
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I never said they were holograms, nor did I question the relevance of the app. I'm not throwing any flames if it's me your referring to. Macrumors was always a place to come and discuss things that we all relate to regarding Apple. As of late people come here to argue and dispute every little thing that someone posts. It's ridiculous. The reason I put the link there was solely for the purpose of giving an example of what most people think of when the term hologram is mentioned.Don't take my defending myself as an insult to your beautiful work which has much usefulness as I'm sure you already know.
 
Stately said:
I never said they were holograms, nor did I question the relevance of the app. I'm not throwing any flames if it's me your referring to. Macrumors was always a place to come and discuss things that we all relate to regarding Apple. As of late people come here to argue and dispute every little thing that someone posts. It's ridiculous. The reason I put the link there was solely for the purpose of giving an example of what most people think of when the term hologram is mentioned.Don't take my defending myself as an insult to your beautiful work which has much usefulness as I'm sure you already know.
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Well, sorry, I was referring to the ones above questioning whether the others have made iPhone apps before or not etc. You are right that most people these days think that holograms == volumetric displays, and the recent CNN stunt didn't help at all. In fact, someone just replied on the youtube vid saying that it's "****, like that CNN crap".
 
It doesn't look that impressive to me... Perhaps the vid doesn't do it justice... Be interesting to see the real thing in action.
 
There's just one thing I don't understand. How does the app know where your eyes are? I know that seems like a really dumb thing to say, but how does it know to show the right side of the cat or the left side of the cat? Your eyes could be on the left or to the right of the phone for all the app knows. So i gather that the direction that you are located at in relation to the phone must be set in a menu.
 
You first set the phone to face your face straight up. That way it will know where your eyes are.. then you tap the "start" button and don't move your head or the phone, but turn the phone around in its place. With the compass it will know where your eyes are.
 
Cool proof-of-concept

Glad to see it got approved. I bought it out of curiosity and was happy to support the developer. I hope that more apps using this will come out; it is a very neat proof-of-concept. I think it works just fine with both eyes open, better with one eye (tricks you into seeing more depth), and best using 3D glasses.
 
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