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iLife '05, Keynote 2, Asteroid, and Other New Applications? [Updated]

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Maybe Slingshot is a way to use keynote with iPod photo? Slingshot in the back pocket, get it?...uh, right.
 
daveway00 said:
Think Secret is also reporting that Apple will be releasing a $499 1.25ghz headless imac at the expo as well, citing reliable sources. I'm excited about this more than anything else. Marketshare=^^^^

http://thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html
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TS puts it perfectly....Apple drops a BOMB.

This is amazing, and completely reliable coming from TS. Hundreds of us have been wanting this from Apple for so many years....well, you only have to wait 2 more weeks.
 
This [headless iMac, sub $500] should be great news for Apple if its true. I don't think it would eat away from higher end mac sales, rather it would open up the mac to a new market, and therefore expand the platform as a whole. Also, it could be a good option for companies or schools who have plenty of monitors, but want cheap, reliable workstations for employees/students. Bring it on Steve :)
 
While Apple opens the door to the low end very low end market with these sub 500 USD Mac's this bring concerns in regards to viruses down the road unless Apple has some on the toe plan to bite viruses in a couple short days in regards to security.

Interesting I actually priced all the components in the eMac G5 thread and I was dead on. :)
 
applekid said:
Finally some news we can work with. :)
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I may skip this update, but if there's something that just grabs my attention, I'm going to be definitely begging to purchase iLife sometime soon.
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The only iApps I use these days are iTunes and iPhoto (use iTunes a lot more). My video and DVD stuff is done with the pro apps.

That being said, I will always buy the latest and greatest iApp package, even if I end up using just a part of it. Why? I don't know really. I just FEEL like I have to, as there might be a feature or two in the other apps that I will want to use one day.

Besides, its very inexpensive, and lets me have a shiny new box and go through that great fuzzy warm feeling of installing something new and sweet. Can't go wrong. ;)
 
TheWereSloth said:
Maybe Slingshot is a way to use keynote with iPod photo? Slingshot in the back pocket, get it?...uh, right.
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oohh you are tempting me now - this would make an ipod photo worthwhile. :D
 
Code names aren't meaningful

When I saw an iMac beta unit it was called the MIB. Men in Black had just been out and it was similarly styled.

The PowerMac 8100 was called the Carl Sagan until he sued Apple over the unauthorized use of his name. It was henceforth called the "Butthead Astronomer".

Slingshot and Crossbow are Word and Excel respectively. See, David used a SlingShot to slay Goliath. Get it?
 
Avicdar said:
The only iApps I use these days are iTunes and iPhoto (use iTunes a lot more). My video and DVD stuff is done with the pro apps.

That being said, I will always buy the latest and greatest iApp package, even if I end up using just a part of it. Why? I don't know really. I just FEEL like I have to, as there might be a feature or two in the other apps that I will want to use one day.

Besides, its very inexpensive, and lets me have a shiny new box and go through that great fuzzy warm feeling of installing something new and sweet. Can't go wrong. ;)
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Heh. I think this is an Apple strategy to get our money that no one can object to...... :p
 
mgescuro said:
yes.... you'll be able to get it for free. I wouldn't worry about it.
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It will cost $19.95 through the iLife '05 Up To Date program.


roadapple said:
Appleworks X?
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That would be a pretty big leap, to go from 6.2.9 to a version X. If AppleWorks ever gets a new version number it's much more likely to be VII, or 7 if you like.


mgescuro said:
Why woudl Apple want to release a version of Access, when FileMaker is a division of Apple??
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Apple has released GarageBand, but they still sell Soundtrack, Logic Express and Logic.


BWhaler said:
I was imagining that this would be a FileMaker light version or something of that ilk. Could happen given the changes to the FM group this year.
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That's a good idea, and consistent with the multi-tiered approach to music-creation applications Apple has.


BornAgainMac said:
iMovie seems to good to be true. I hope it has more surprises also. The last update was minor.
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iMovie 4 is a big improvement over iMovie 3. The timeline view became much more flexible compared to previous versions, which made a tremendous difference. But I agree, that description of iMovie 5 is impressive, even incredible.


BornAgainMac said:
iPhoto needs the most work. iDVD needs to work with modern DVD burners including third-party drives. I want to replace my 4x drive to a 16x drive that supports 4 hours of video but not have to upgrade to DVD Pro.
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The Hurz/Pfurz method plus Patchburn has that taken care of. It's unlikely Apple will officially support external burners in the iApps, but the iDVD with external burners modification works very well at zero risk to your system.


HasanDaddy said:
incorporating HD into iMovie makes a lot of sense, as Apple needs to start accomodating for the Mini DV cameras that record in HDV ---- currently, JVC has such a camera, and Sony is on the verge of releasing one

That is a great sign, as Windows does not have a cheap solution for HDV --- so Apple will pull ahead greatly, in this respect
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JVC as two HDV cameras on the market, and Sony's consumer HDV camera was released last month. Sony's pro HDV camera is scheduled for release in February.

I agree that HDV support in iMovie would be a huge boon / boost for the Mac platform compared to Windows.


Laslo Panaflex said:
Sorry, I really don't see Apple releasing support for HD in iMovie, and definately not HDV, FCP and FCE don't even have native support for this yet!

Unless they release FCP 5 and FCE 3 both with HDV support and better HD support, then MAYBE iMovie HD, but I doubt it. Right now there aren't even "consumer" HD cameras, and the prosumer ones, JVC and Sony's that use HDV run around 4 grand, highly unlikely that that support is needed in iMovie, which is for low end consumers.
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The JVC HD1 sells for around $3100 new, and the Sony FX1 is about $3700. However, lower priced HDV cameras are just around the corner. DV camcorders used to be very expensive too. iMovie was out back then, in OS 9 days. It would be great to see Apple ahead of the HDV curve as well.

I agree that FCE and FCP need native HDV support. Until then (and who knows, maybe even after that) I'll be using Lumiere HD.


TrenchcoatJedi said:
Slingshot = FCE 3
Crossbow = FCP 5
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What would that make iMovie 5? Spitball?

pimentoLoaf said:
"Sugar" could be some kind of icing (or iCing... sorry) on the Apple cake.
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It's nice to see an integrated circuit pun.


m a y a said:
While Apple opens the door to the low end very low end market with these sub 500 USD Mac's this bring concerns in regards to viruses down the road unless Apple has some on the toe plan to bite viruses in a couple short days in regards to security.
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iMac G3s are all over the place at well under $500, and that hasn't inspired virus writers. Your point is probably about market share though, and in that case I still wouldn't worry about viruses. The whole virus strategy would have to be very different on OS X, and that makes it too much work to cause meaningful and widespread damage.


m a y a said:
Interesting I actually priced all the components in the eMac G5 thread and I was dead on. :)
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Are you ready to be inundated with PMs / emails / IMs like jimsnowden was? :) (He got the last eMac update dead-on before it was released).


daveway00 said:
Think Secret is also reporting that Apple will be releasing a $499 1.25ghz headless imac at the expo as well, citing reliable sources. I'm excited about this more than anything else. Marketshare=^^^^

http://thinksecret.com/news/0412expo2.html
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Freg3000 said:
TS puts it perfectly....Apple drops a BOMB.

This is amazing, and completely reliable coming from TS. Hundreds of us have been wanting this from Apple for so many years....well, you only have to wait 2 more weeks.
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I'm sure glad we're not all on the same AIRPLANE.
 
iphoto5

iPhoto needs raw support badly. really badly.
I need iPhoto to be able to handle raw files. really badly :)
 
Durendal said:
HD support in iMovie? Not a chance. iMovie is the consumer application for people who want to edit videos of their kids running around the backyard. Final Cut Express doesn't support HD, so there's no way they'll add such a high-end capability to iMovie at this time. They probably wont for years.
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I agree. There is no way iMovie is going to support HDV when FCP does not even support it, yet.

I could see support for H.264, since it will be included in Tiger. But, then if Tiger isn't going to be out for awhile they just might add this feature as an update when Tiger is released.
 
m a y a said:
Rod Rod, Say hello to the Xserve mini. :)

I have no problems with the swamp of IM, Email, and so forth. :)


The Xserve has just gotten a younger brother meet Xmini. I like both names. :)
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hmm.. maybe iSlice (iSlice o' iLife) or iFragment (we should ask eyefragment about that one).. or LCIV?

The ThinkSecret article says it'll be in the iMac family, so maybe it'll be called iMac Pizza.

maya that's cool, I'll be emailing you for further insights.

As far as an Xserve mini... I predict some GarageBand musicians will put this screenless iMac in a rack, alongside the Asteroid. When they save up enough money they'll connect it to a Final Scratch. :)
 
poor boy's blade

I'm curious as to the lack of Gigabit Ethernet. Not a big issue for PC users, but looking ahead, it would make sense to upgrade a future headless G4 with the Moto dual core processor and Gigabit ethernet. With the low power consumption, a G5, Xgrid and a couple of these would create low cost grid computing for folks like animators, Motion, FCP and Logic Pro users. Look for Marathon to have a rack for these if they do in fact arrive.

My spin on the speculated HDV capability of iMovie is that it makes a great deal of sense for Apple to provide basic HDV capabilities as earlyas possible as there are many Indie producers adopting HDV now, with FCP and FCE adopting HDV a little later this next spring.

BTW "Sugar" is just mind candy to mess with us. Personally, there are too many rumors on the plate for Jobs to announce all of these at MWSF.
 
BornAgainMac said:
iDVD needs to work with modern DVD burners including third-party drives. I want to replace my 4x drive to a 16x drive that supports 4 hours of video but not have to upgrade to DVD Pro.
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It's not going to happen...and if it did, most of us probably wouldn't like the results. Here's why...

There are significant licensing fees for DVD video recorders. Apple is able to give away iLife or sell it so incredibly cheap because they put the licensing fee on the hardware. If the software worked with any drive, they would have to put the licensing fee on the software itself, which is much more expensive, and problematic when it comes time to upgrade.

We're much better off with cheap iLife, given that we can still use 3rd party drives with the various patches/hacks.
 
BornAgainMac said:
iTunes 5? It's seems like they are done with it. I remember a thread that had some really good suggestions for the next version. iMovie seems to good to be true. I hope it has more surprises also. The last update was minor. iPhoto needs the most work. iDVD needs to work with modern DVD burners including third-party drives. I want to replace my 4x drive to a 16x drive that supports 4 hours of video but not have to upgrade to DVD Pro.
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http://www.mcetech.com/dvdr16xdt-d.html. $109 isn't bad.

jon
 
Dave the Great said:
I agree. There is no way iMovie is going to support HDV when FCP does not even support it, yet.
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all they'd need would be a minor upgrade for the fcp/fce.

Dave the Great said:
I could see support for H.264, since it will be included in Tiger. But, then if Tiger isn't going to be out for awhile they just might add this feature as an update when Tiger is released.
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if the spec is finished, why wait? it's more an update for quicktime than an update for imovie.

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now, the ilife'05... i guess the main feature will be 16:9 aspect ratio for imovie and idvd. this is what i and many others have been waiting for.

support for dual-layer media would be nice, but not necessary; the quality of ilife movies is most affected by the quality of DV cameras, so there wouldn't be the need for higher-quality encoding than what it currently does. and two hours is plenty. ilife only understands 2-channel pcm audio (which is stupid as it takes more bandwidth than 2-channel dolby digital), so the space wouldn't be needed for multiple audio tracks, and there are no subtitles either. everything that user would benefit from the dual layer media would be longer playing time, which would be nice, but come on - 2 hours is plenty. if i wanted to make a longer movie, i would also want to do it with the pro app suite ;)
 
JFreak said:
all they'd need would be a minor upgrade for the fcp/fce.
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I don't know if would we see an update soon for FCP. Apple likes to upgrade this software at NAB to show off its new features. NAB is in April. They could break from that trend but it just seems more likely April would be our time for that Pro update, possibly versions 5 and 3.

jon
 
iJon said:
I don't know if would we see an update soon for FCP. Apple likes to upgrade this software at NAB to show off its new features. NAB is in April. They could break from that trend but it just seems more likely April would be our time for that Pro update, possibly versions 5 and 3.
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true. but as they are now in 4.5(HD) so it's a possibility they'd add hd features within a minor update, at least for fcp even if the fce upgrade would take a longer time.

they could, however, wait until tiger release, too. if the ilife pack indeed gets a minor revamp within tiger, why not saving some features for it ;) on the other hand, those who pay for ilife are left behind and as i have understood it it is now apple's policy to sell operating system and ilife independently of each other, so that in mind we could soon see some surprises. but then again, the hd feature could be done within a minor update conveniently just after tiger release, so you'll never know.

it will sure be interesting to see what they release... if they give us 16:9 aspect ratio for ilife, i'm happy. everything else is extra.
 
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