iLife '05, Keynote 2, Asteroid, and Other New Applications? [Updated]

[iJon]

those who pay for ilife are left behind and as i have understood it it is now apple's policy to sell operating system and ilife independently of each other

Well things are going to be a little backwards this time around. Before it was Panther came out, then a little bit later they made iLife 04' but never included it with Panther and left the older versions on there.

This time around we will get iLife 05' and then Tiger will be coming out. Now what will Apple do, iLife is a huge selling point for the Mac. I can't see them not including a version of iLife on the machines. Having an older version and having to pay for the latest makes some sense, but not in this case. I can't see them having iLife 05' out for 6 months but putting 04' or something on Tiger. It will be very interesting indeed.


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[geeman]

....most presentations can be done with a PDF and fullscreen mode. And this is the way it should be!

Try as I might, I can't work out whether you're serious or joking

Either

1) your presentation delivery is SO darn awesome that static PDF slides with Acrobat transitions are all you need to "wow" your audience;

2) The topics on which you present are so simplistic that having aids such as transitions/builds to get your points over in a clear, concise and entertaining manner add no value to your presentation;

3) Someone is too polite to tell you that your presentations s*ck....


Organisations pay me to make maybe 50-80 presentations a year all over the world, to audiences ranging from 20 to more than 500 people. I like to think that I know what I'm talking about (otherwise I doubt that I'd continue to get bookings ). Presenting is as much about "showbiz" as it is about delivering a message or opinion to a group. Intelligent use of slide builds, transistions and suchlike can, in my experience, significantly enhance any presentation.

Sure, such animations can be overdone. Yes, you can embarrass yourself. But that's hardly the fault of the application. You can say the same thing about using PhotoShop filters or templates for iDVD, Word or PowerPoint.

Don't blame the tools, dude.

 

[JFreak]

I can't see them not including a version of iLife on the machines.

they will naturally bundle the iLife package to A COMPUTER PUCHASE, but the point is that the package is independent of the operating system, which is not the case with the major rival

(should there be legal issues, apple may have to remove whatever ilife versions there might be in the operating system installer disc, but nothing can prevent apple from giving ilife installer disc for free within every computer purchase. it is only a lot more convenient to install ilife within the same installer than operating system, but - imho - apple would do better to just remove the ilife apps from the operating system altogether. that would be fair.)

 

[HasanDaddy]

HDV is already here and it will be in the hands of many consumers, very soon

it didn't take long for the Panasonic 24p technology to get into people's hands

if Apple can beat Windows to HDV, with all three of their video editing apps, then it will continue to be giant steps for Apple

if we allow Avid/Adobe to beat us to it on Windows, then that would hurt Apple greatly

Apple ain't gonna let that happen - especially with how well they jumped on the 24p bandwagon

 

[Rod Rod]

Well things are going to be a little backwards this time around. Before it was Panther came out, then a little bit later they made iLife 04' but never included it with Panther and left the older versions on there.

This time around we will get iLife 05' and then Tiger will be coming out. Now what will Apple do, iLife is a huge selling point for the Mac. I can't see them not including a version of iLife on the machines. Having an older version and having to pay for the latest makes some sense, but not in this case. I can't see them having iLife 05' out for 6 months but putting 04' or something on Tiger. It will be very interesting indeed.

The current iLife suite will be included on the machines, and the machines without the current iLife will either be eligible for an Up To Date program or they'll have the iLife discs dropped into their boxes.

 

[h'biki]

HDV

HD support in iMovie? Not a chance. iMovie is the consumer application for people who want to edit videos of their kids running around the backyard. Final Cut Express doesn't support HD, so there's no way they'll add such a high-end capability to iMovie at this time. They probably wont for years.

There are many flavours of HD. FCPHD supports all of them. Adding supporting for HDV (HD on miniDV) in iMovie [and FCE] would make *alot* of sense. Many professionals are somewhat cynical about HDV as a broadcast format, but consumers and 'prosumers' are already lapping it up. These people will want to make use of their cameras in iMovie before they migrate to FCE or FCP. Proper HDV support is coming in FCP 5, so it makes sense that they'll engineer it into iMovie around the same time.

 

[iChan]

I'm not big on software... where's the HARDWARE updates?

Hmmm... I wonder when those G5 Powerbooks will be coming out...

the software is what makes the hardware do what it does...

imagine using windows on a powerbook... not the same is it?

software, software, software. that's where the men are separated from the boys.

 

[loneAzdgari]

Any speculation on the new applications? And what exactly is Asteroid?

 

[Zaty]

iTunes 5

I'm almost sure, iTunes 4.7.1 will be released on Jan 11. Why? Because the single purpose of iTunes 4.7.1 is to offer support for the new iPods (mini and probably flash). Since iLife 5 might not be available immediately, they have to release a new iTunes version. If iTunes 5 wasn't around the corner, the new version would rather be called iTunes 4.8. iLife 5 might not ship until later in the first quarter.

 

[centauratlas]

iSync using SyncML?

A big question is when iSync will support SyncML for phone synching. Will Apple wait for 10.4 (or longer) or be out before that? I know many were hoping for a Macword intro.

 

[moiety5]

iLife '05 & Tiger

Anybody have a clue if iLife '05 will have Tiger dependent features? Such as iPhoto with Core Image capabilities, iMovie that leverages Core Video, etc. . .

It seems odd to release iLife before Tiger in that respect, though they could always build the basics in and then awaken them with a x.0.1 version.

 

[buseman]

HD support in iMovie? Not a chance. iMovie is the consumer application for people who want to edit videos of their kids running around the backyard. Final Cut Express doesn't support HD, so there's no way they'll add such a high-end capability to iMovie at this time. They probably wont for years.

who said FCE wont be updated as well? 16:9 isn't exactly a "pro" feature anymore

 

[flinch13]

Asteroid

Any speculation on the new applications? And what exactly is Asteroid?

No one knows exactly what the new applications are, but my guess is a new office suite (like Microsoft Office) that works with keynote as one of its applications. Though, I kind out doubt if Apple will actually do this, as Office is a big seller and compatible with windows (blah). Asteroid, on the other hand, is a firewire breakout box for Garage Band. With it, you can input a couple of outside audio sources, including microphones, etc. All of this is sort of exciting, but I'm skeptical as to whether this is all Apple has to offer us in January. The headless mac rumor seems a little unlikely, but that would make me much happier than all of this stuff. It's great to have rumors back! Yay!

 

[devman]

Try as I might, I can't work out whether you're serious or joking

Either

1) your presentation delivery is SO darn awesome that static PDF slides with Acrobat transitions are all you need to "wow" your audience;

2) The topics on which you present are so simplistic that having aids such as transitions/builds to get your points over in a clear, concise and entertaining manner add no value to your presentation;

3) Someone is too polite to tell you that your presentations s*ck....


Organisations pay me to make maybe 50-80 presentations a year all over the world, to audiences ranging from 20 to more than 500 people. I like to think that I know what I'm talking about (otherwise I doubt that I'd continue to get bookings ). Presenting is as much about "showbiz" as it is about delivering a message or opinion to a group. Intelligent use of slide builds, transistions and suchlike can, in my experience, significantly enhance any presentation.

Sure, such animations can be overdone. Yes, you can embarrass yourself. But that's hardly the fault of the application. You can say the same thing about using PhotoShop filters or templates for iDVD, Word or PowerPoint.

Don't blame the tools, dude.

http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint

 

[gianues]

iMovie -> Final Cut Pro
iDvd -> DVD Studio Pro
GarageBand -> Logic Pro
iPhoto -> (Sugar = Photo Studio Pro?)

 

[chameeeleon]

I was excited in hopes of iTunes 5, but worried that (like last year's keynote) it wouldn't be updated and Apple would hold off until the anniversary of the Music Store in April. *Sigh* And for those of you who say iTunes is perfect -
The changes to the other apps sound alright, although AUDIO COMMENTARIES and SUBTITLES in iDVD and album heirarchy in iPhoto would be my "Sugar".
And regarding the new apps, "Crossbow" and "Slingshot" sounds pretty violent to me, sort of like Apple's ready to take someone out. Microsoft and Office hopefully.

 

[chameeeleon]

iMovie -> Final Cut Pro
iDvd -> DVD Studio Pro
GarageBand -> Logic Pro
iPhoto -> (Sugar = Photo Studio Pro?)

I doubt it, it would tread on Adobe's heels, and such an app would likely be revealed at NAB (?), not Macworld.

 

[swissmann]

I love iLife and use it daily. I am mostly interested in iDVD updates and assume (hope) that because iMovie will support 16:9 and HD that iDVD must as well now. That would be a nice addition and a good prepartion for the new blue laser discs coming down the road. I'm excited about the tranisition to HD.

 

[tjwett]

I wouldn't be surprised if they unveiled some sort of Photoshop killer. I don't think Apple is too concerned with stepping on Adobe's toes any more, seeing as Adobe kind of shafted them a few years ago and the relationship has maybe soured since. Adobe had the market kind of cornered with Premier, then Apple stomped it out with FCP. Same goes for AfterEffects. Not that AE is dead (yet) but Motion certainly crushes it from many angles.
The logical next step is image editing, which I think Apple is totally capable of doing well. This Core Image stuff seems powerful and this would be the obvious way to use it. The only thing I don't see Apple doing is any sort of a vector drawing or page layout app. Not that Quark or InDesign or Illustrator are that great, they could all use some modernizing but I just don't see Apple going there for some reason. Probably because that stuff is kind of boring in comparison and Apple is all about dazzle.

 

[faintedlife]

Hopefully the new iPhoto will have more powerful editing controls (especially for those without Photoshop). If they did, then it'd kill off any other photo management/editing apps aside from the high-end versions.

 

[Waluigi]

my request

iDVD 5 must be able to sync DV recorded in 12-bit audio! Thats all I'm asking for.

 

[SWC]

Cool! I decided to place my order because I was confident a new iMac won't show up at MWSF...in my haste I forgot about a good ole' iLife update!

Based on what I have seen in the past. Free update only happen if you buy the mac after they make the anouncement. So even if you bought it the day before they anounce it your out of luck. Unless this policy changes I wouldn't count on it being free.

 

[SWC]

Sorry, I really don't see Apple releasing support for HD in iMovie, and definately not HDV, FCP and FCE don't even have native support for this yet!

Unless they release FCP 5 and FCE 3 both with HDV support and better HD support, then MAYBE iMovie HD, but I doubt it. Right now there aren't even "consumer" HD cameras, and the prosumer ones, JVC and Sony's that use HDV run around 4 grand, highly unlikely that that support is needed in iMovie, which is for low end consumers.

Sony is $3,300~ and jvc is $2,200~. For many mac users this is affordable as you pretty much have to be wealthy to own a mac. So iMovie support for hd isn't that absurd. I agree it would be stupid to add it to iMovie before they beef up support in FCP but they've done similar. Look at the iBook and Powerbook, not much of a difference in the product lines anymore to justify a substantial price increase for a metal case vs. a plastic one.

 

[themacman]

Imo?

I don't know. IMO I think Apple should just drop the whole appleworks line. Again IMO I think MS Office is good and everyone wants their office suite to be MS-related. Apple will be hard pressed to bring people away from Office, no matter how good the new appleworks might be.

what does IMO mean?

[From the moderator (so we don't get a bunch of replies as people read the thread): IMO=In My Opinion]

 

[themacman]

Can they really have that much up their sleeve? I don't think there's a lot Apple can do to make iTunes better, but maybe I'm mistaken.
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