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that's my same fear...
Steve doesn't care about Pro side...
he wants money!!Easy money....
ok...he's quite great with the I-products...
but i did prefer the last year when was Schiller leading....
we saw Imac 27 on fall and Mac Pro Nehalem on March!!!!!!
but now..?
Nothing....this makes feel a little bit sad
'cause i'm scared about a sort of Apple-Pro exit strategy....
I-OS4....Apple A4.....
i don't think any I-machine will ever replace the desktop's power...
but Pro user are less than Iphone-Pod Pad users..so...
but that's only my opinion....
 
It's really not an easy decision. I can either buy the top of the line pc and hope that it doesn't freeze, crash, or fail. Or I can buy an outdated piece of hardware for 3x the amount and hope that apple doesn't pull the plug on the whole PRO line.

And the fact that it wasn't even mentioned at WWDC makes me wonder if they will ever even upgrade the MP at all.

I'm an AudioEngineer working with an nearly obsolete PowerMac G4. It has served me well over the years, but it's time for an upgrade. Mac or Pc?

decisions, decisions, decisions.........
 
It's really not an easy decision. I can either buy the top of the line pc and hope that it doesn't freeze, crash, or fail. Or I can buy an outdated piece of hardware for 3x the amount and hope that apple doesn't pull the plug on the whole PRO line.

And the fact that it wasn't even mentioned at WWDC makes me wonder if they will ever even upgrade the MP at all.

I'm an AudioEngineer working with an nearly obsolete PowerMac G4. It has served me well over the years, but it's time for an upgrade. Mac or Pc?

decisions, decisions, decisions.........

You only have to look at the thread titles on a few pages of this sub-forum to see that there are many hardware and software problems with Mac Pros too. A workstation from the likes of Boxx, HP or Dell running Windows 7 is no less reliable than a Mac Pro these days, and the support is decent at that level. Of course you pay for it over building your own system, but the options are better than Apple.
 
Apple's main focus is no longer on their computers. Put it this way, when was the last time they dropped money on those wonderful Mac vs PC commercials???

The life span of their product cycles seems to have gotten longer, MBP, MA, MP... which wouldn't be so bad if they didn't let the line run at the initial price unlike all other electronic companies.

I am a new comer to Apple, only a few months and it seems all the things I heard over the years like having the latest and greatest hardware and getting CPU chips first, and new software being nearly flawless (Aperture 3 didn't even seem to be beta tested), all seem a thing of the past. Don't get me wrong, I love my Mac's but it is no longer Apple Computer, it is Apple Mobile. Again, when was the last time they sprung for a PC vs Apple commercial? I think it was when Windows 7 came out and then.... :(
 
My god, I don´t want to go back to Windows again!

But Apple is leaving me with little choises, I can´t believe this day has come that I´m even thinking about this. :(
 
Would it be wise to just buy a used MP from ebay or something or just forget my mac plans and get a PC workstation?

If you have invested in Mac software and you need it now, get a second hand one off eBay. Either this generation or the one before it.

I'm not sure if Apple will ever stop producing the Mac Pro, but it does seem strange that even the iMac 27 i7 is a heavy rival to the current Mac Pros and it was release ages ago.
 
Ehh.

I recently switched to Mac (actually about a month and a half before they brought out the new i5/i7 processor versions). I love my MacBook Pro. To be honest, after being a Windows user for many years, I just don't want to go back right now. I know my MBP will last me a few years, but after that it'll be time to shop again. I can't find many computers that match the Mac's industrial design quality. But I am a creative pro user and I will continue to be. Do y'all really think they have abandoned the Mac Pro? As of right now, it seems like, but they have a pretty good user base for Final Cut Pro and even ProTools users for pro audio I think this would be a total misstep.

At any rate, part of me hopes they'll continue to make computers... because when they do they innovate. This is what I love about their design and built quality. They make every computer count. Now it's just less often I guess...
 
I recently switched to Mac (actually about a month and a half before they brought out the new i5/i7 processor versions). I love my MacBook Pro. To be honest, after being a Windows user for many years, I just don't want to go back right now. I know my MBP will last me a few years, but after that it'll be time to shop again. I can't find many computers that match the Mac's industrial design quality. But I am a creative pro user and I will continue to be. Do y'all really think they have abandoned the Mac Pro? As of right now, it seems like, but they have a pretty good user base for Final Cut Pro and even ProTools users for pro audio I think this would be a total misstep.

At any rate, part of me hopes they'll continue to make computers... because when they do they innovate. This is what I love about their design and built quality. They make every computer count. Now it's just less often I guess...

I think Mac Laptops are some of the best on the market.

Their desktops however have seemingly been thrown in the trash. We need someone to leave a prototype mac pro at a coffee shop for gismodo.
 
I think Mac Laptops are some of the best on the market.

Part of the reason the MBP sells is all in the aesthetic. Non-pros think they look good under their arm or in a lecture hall or coffee shop.

Apple is steadily becoming the Bose of the computer world. Making shiny looking products, powered by marketing and hype, for people who have no idea about computers beyond switching them on.

If you are in the market for a new unit and software package it's hard to justify a Mac Pro now. Even the aesthetic of the Mac Pro is well past it's sell-by date. It's rocking a seven year old design which has had a slightly modified internal layout. Of all the products in the Apple catalog, the Mac Pro is the only one that has never had a new shell since then.

Even the "Professional" Apple area hasn't been updated in seven months.
http://www.apple.com/pro/

Thanks for your commitment Apple. :rolleyes:
 
just a thought, could Apple be holding out because of USB 3.0?

USB 3.0 boards have been shipping on the PC side since the beginning of the year.

Even if Apple are holding back for Light Peak that's a technology so far ahead of product lines that it could be a year or more before they add it to retail units.

That's too long to justify holding the Mac Pro line back.
 
Hackintosh?

It's getting easier every day. All of the benefits of OS X with all of the convenience of cheap hardware.
 
Part of the reason the MBP sells is all in the aesthetic. Non-pros think they look good under their arm or in a lecture hall or coffee shop.

Apple is steadily becoming the Bose of the computer world. Making shiny looking products, powered by marketing and hype, for people who have no idea about computers beyond switching them on.

If you are in the market for a new unit and software package it's hard to justify a Mac Pro now. Even the aesthetic of the Mac Pro is well past it's sell-by date. It's rocking a seven year old design which has had a slightly modified internal layout. Of all the products in the Apple catalog, the Mac Pro is the only one that has never had a new shell since then.

Even the "Professional" Apple area hasn't been updated in seven months.
http://www.apple.com/pro/

Thanks for your commitment Apple. :rolleyes:

fim on the look for a i5 mbp and believe me it has nothing to do with looks its just that over the years i have heard sooooo many good things abut apple, but recently everything i hear is ipad and iphone so i have beagan to be scared of spending all my money on a mbp i mean i starting industrial design studies in 2 moths and i know that my i5 will do the job and will do it in an awsome way...but is it really worth the extra money is it worth spending my hard earned money on a dying mac? Dunno the only thing thats keeping me from getting a PC is that if mac is dying i want to at least have tried it ones... hope i do not regret it.
 
Nah. The most likely reason is Intel giving them the processors they want in the quantity they want.
I see it more as a time factor (validation testing in the case of the MP), as their developers are having to focus on more projects, without a significant number of personnel added to help share the load (keep dev time to around where it's been in the not too distant past).

As per the proccessor supply issue, I've posted on it in a few other threads (last one was directly to your post; has to do with contracts used for direct purchases from Intel).
 
Steve and Apple have Mac users figured out.

They excel in creating hype, and use panic to their advantage.

I think they learned this from the Segway guy. There was this new thing, it's going to change the world, etc. It turned out to be a stupid electric rolling platform that only lame mall-cops use, as far as I can tell.

Steve has done the same thing. He hypes up new products that will "change the world as we know it," and it is always just some cute junk that people have convinced themselves they HAVE to have NOW. It's no different with the "pro" line.

By keeping silent about the newest pro machine, an environment creates itself in which people speculate. We've been trained into a Pavlovian response in which we demand being constantly fed new products. Enter the iPad, and see the feeding frenzy it created. There is only so far that stupid thing can go before the lipstick wears off, but it will hold us over long enough for a new tower to be polished up.

In the meantime, old Macs keep getting older, and the pool of users that feel their machines need updating grows larger. Once it reaches the breaking point... BOOM! Steve hypes up the NEW MAC PRO that kicks the ass of the Sun God Ra himself, and we will tear out the eyes of children to get it after waiting so long.

See, Apple is waiting. This tech wave with i7 and beyond-quad-core was one of the smaller waves, and they're waiting for the bigger waves behind it to come, so they can finish bigger with more style.

In my opinion, there is evidence of this in the cycle / waves of Android vs. iPhones. The 3G and 3GS were on top, then they let the android market swoop in behind them, but on a smaller wave at first. Android started to pick up and fill out, getting cooler, more hip, more widespread... and Apple throws out the iPad-iPhone 4 one-two punch. It's all just a little bit better than Android - - better screen resolution, front and rear cameras, multi-tasking (finally) and powerful enough to edit HD video on. (Edit video on a stupid phone, really? That's another rant for another time.) Now they're on top again in the mobile market, and it will take that much more effort for their competitors to out-surf them in the next heat.

Apple will build a new Mac Pro, and it will be scrumtrulescent. The pros will suck from the teats of it, savoring the nectar it gives with crack-like addiction, and have no problem justifying the increased cost, because it's the top of the big wave again.

I jumped on this train right as the 3.33GHz model came out, and I'm happy. I think it will last long enough to allow me to skip one wave (Mac Pro 5,1) and jump on the following Mac Pro 6,1 wave. I don't believe pros will be editing feature films on phones in five, ten or even twenty years, but things will change for sure.

Why sweat it? Go with the flow, mang.
 
Steve and Apple have Mac users figured out.

They excel in creating hype, and use panic to their advantage.

I think they learned this from the Segway guy. There was this new thing, it's going to change the world, etc. It turned out to be a stupid electric rolling platform that only lame mall-cops use, as far as I can tell.

Steve has done the same thing. He hypes up new products that will "change the world as we know it," and it is always just some cute junk that people have convinced themselves they HAVE to have NOW. It's no different with the "pro" line.

By keeping silent about the newest pro machine, an environment creates itself in which people speculate. We've been trained into a Pavlovian response in which we demand being constantly fed new products. Enter the iPad, and see the feeding frenzy it created. There is only so far that stupid thing can go before the lipstick wears off, but it will hold us over long enough for a new tower to be polished up.

In the meantime, old Macs keep getting older, and the pool of users that feel their machines need updating grows larger. Once it reaches the breaking point... BOOM! Steve hypes up the NEW MAC PRO that kicks the ass of the Sun God Ra himself, and we will tear out the eyes of children to get it after waiting so long.

See, Apple is waiting. This tech wave with i7 and beyond-quad-core was one of the smaller waves, and they're waiting for the bigger waves behind it to come, so they can finish bigger with more style.

In my opinion, there is evidence of this in the cycle / waves of Android vs. iPhones. The 3G and 3GS were on top, then they let the android market swoop in behind them, but on a smaller wave at first. Android started to pick up and fill out, getting cooler, more hip, more widespread... and Apple throws out the iPad-iPhone 4 one-two punch. It's all just a little bit better than Android - - better screen resolution, front and rear cameras, multi-tasking (finally) and powerful enough to edit HD video on. (Edit video on a stupid phone, really? That's another rant for another time.) Now they're on top again in the mobile market, and it will take that much more effort for their competitors to out-surf them in the next heat.

Apple will build a new Mac Pro, and it will be scrumtrulescent. The pros will suck from the teats of it, savoring the nectar it gives with crack-like addiction, and have no problem justifying the increased cost, because it's the top of the big wave again.

I jumped on this train right as the 3.33GHz model came out, and I'm happy. I think it will last long enough to allow me to skip one wave (Mac Pro 5,1) and jump on the following Mac Pro 6,1 wave. I don't believe pros will be editing feature films on phones in five, ten or even twenty years, but things will change for sure.

Why sweat it? Go with the flow, mang.

That's actually a pretty good theory my man. Sounds about right.

I'm leaning towards getting a used machine from ebay at this point. I really don't want to go back to windows right now. I have a feeling i'm going to regret this later...
 
There seems to be a lot of people in the Mac Pro Forum who are engaged in endless frenzied posting desperately trying to convince you that you shouldn't buy a Mac Pro - Keep waiting, get a PC, Hackintosh.

I suspect when a new one arrives they'll say 'might as well wait until April when some other amazing technology is rumoured to arrive. It actually all adds up to the same message : - 'don't get a Mac!'

Well, all I can say is that's a bunch of crap!

As a working pro I can tell you that the current Mac Pro is the best most powerful well built, well designed Mac that has ever been built and that you could ever buy and it offers you an amazingly productive professional workstation experience. Quite simply it will work hard every day

If you like Macs and you can afford it then why the heck not!
 
Mac Pro, FCP and the entire pro market is making Steve less money
than a week of iAds.

In the keynote Jobs said had $60M on table for iAds for second half of the year. Total... not profits; that was total revenue stream. If the pro market revenue was that small for 6 months it should be killed off. The "hobby" AppleTV ecosystem probably does more revenue than that.

These threads increasing bare a resemblance to what small kids say when a new baby brother/sister comes home and they aren't getting the same attention timeslices from their parents.


Given Intel isn't streaming 32nm Xeon parts at will and the gaps in the 3600 line up ( no 3620 or 3640 ) there is stuff missing that would go into a volume new Mac Pro release. If Intel had removed or sustantively lowered the prices on the 3500 and 5500 Xeons make have point that the tech is old and decrepit. Intel is selling it at same price as last year. A few minor speed bumps in the 3500/5500 series but the new Xeon's recently released all came in at higher prices than last year's releases.

Similarly Dell, HP, and other larger established vendors continue to sell "last years" models at approximately the same price for workstation class boxes. Again like Intel, tacked on more models on top of the old line up which they continue to sell. Apple may not be matching them press release by press release, but to large extent doing exactly the same thing while keeping the number of models shipped constant.

If Apple can't do the six primary configs they want to drop they just won't drop them until they can. They aren't going bump up the number of primary configs just because. If Intel sticks to their pricing, Apple moving to all new stuff is just going to drive prices higher.

If in the next couple of weeks Intel flushes out the 3600 line, drops prices on 3500/5500 series because "last years stuff", minor price drop on 3600/5600 to match now "old" previous generation prices, and then Apple doesn't deliver ... that would lax. However, if Apple waits till then and ships new workstations at the same price at now (no price hikes)..... what is wrong with that? Being "early" and matching Dell/HP even on press releases just would have meant those folks that bought in the first 2-3 months got screwed. Imagine what the threads would look like in that case. (well I guess would look alot like this one. )
 
Now, since it's clear that Apple doesn't care about the Pro Market, would it be a wise decision to switch to PC. I mean, I don't want to drop over $3,000 on a machine that is 1 1/2 out of date. And I don't to put money into a product line that apple might end up being canceled by apple pretty soon.

Would it be wise to just buy a used MP from ebay or something or just forget my mac plans and get a PC workstation?

If you have to ask you are not a pro user. Buy a PC, you can build it with the latest components and play your favorite games at 200fps.
 
Think of it like an auto manufacturer

Keeping a smaller but high end division like the Mac Pro line up and running still makes sense if you think in terms of auto companies having racing divisions that push the performance edge and then let the technology trickle down. Or limited high-end performance vehicles at the top of the line. The high end products become aspirational. The buyer of a 3-series BMW knows that the development that went into the hugely expensive M6 is making the next 330i a better car.

Same thing here. The Pro division doesn't lost money, and it makes complete sense to keep it if for nothing more than the coolness factor to those looking to pick up an iMac.

Personally, I don't care so much about a major overhaul. Just give me the 12 cores and the option to order it with an nVidia card that's recommended for CS5 and I'll be happy. Oh, and a blue ray drive. And a puppy.
 
It's really not an easy decision. I can either buy the top of the line pc and hope that it doesn't freeze, crash, or fail.

This isn't 1998.

I don't know why so many of you guys here share that flawed mentality that Windows = unreliable. If anything, today Windows is more reliable than OS X, relative to their market share.
 
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