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I'm amazed at the lack of morals that some iPhone sellers exhibit

Applefan4 said:
They'd still have your details, so they can chase you up on the payments.
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And do what exactly? Try to get you to pay and when you don't sell your collection to a collection agency for pennies on the dollar? :rolleyes: I don't think so...

Multiply this by all the poor people in America and you see why carriers have to lock phones that aren't paid for and not just let bad guys get away with B.S.
 
OP why was someone calling you to buy a Verizon iPhone, and why are did you tell them it could be blacklisted down the road if the seller didn't pay? I'm kinda confused, are you the seller?

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I deal in CL very much, on a weekly basis and I'll say this. Most sellers are honest, and the ones that are not can be found out if buyers do their due diligence. A guy bought a 6 plus from me and paid and left without even opening it. This sort of naive behavior is what fuels the scammers.
 
Black market works both ways.
Stealing a carrier subsidized phone for resale it theft.
 
andyp350 said:
Well you know what, I'm amazed at your lack of morals. I ended up with extra iPhones this year as I wasn't sure which model I wanted. I did the decent thing and returned them to Apple instead of making a quick profit out of those who weren't lucky enough to get one on launch day.
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The decent thing? Apple doesn't just sell the phone to the next person who walks in. The send it back to china and remanufacture it. Would have been better to resell them.
 
WolfSnap said:
Every year I buy a few extra iPhone's to sell. It pays for my yearly upgrade, and normally only takes a few hours to do. It's a good return on my investment. However, this year, I'm noticing more and more 'slimy' resellers doing things that I'd never even think of considering doing.

For example, I had someone call me looking to sell a phone they got "free" at T-Mobile on JUMP. What's the problem? The seller needs to make payments on the phone, or it will turn into a brick in a few months... They're trying to sell a product they have never made a payment on! (Then, the ultimate end-user will end up paying for a phone that turns into a brick in a few months.. Great..) Oh, they also claimed it was unlocked (which it wasn't, since it was purchased from T-Mobile via. JUMP).

Another guy called me a bit ago wanting to buy Verizon phones, "even if they're on contract". When I mentioned that those phones might become blacklisted if the seller stopped paying for them, he said, "Who cares? I'm sending them to Mexico where the US blacklists don't matter".

Even on Amazon, there are people selling phones well below the full-price cost of the phone.. Why? because by the time the phone gets blacklisted, they're LONG gone.

It's pathetic, and criminal. And, I as an honest seller, pay for the phones up-front from Apple (i.e. full price, no contract, no payment plans, etc), and make sure the buyer knows exactly the model, color, size, etc. they're getting. I won't sell a T-Mobile or AT&T unlocked phone to a Verizon user (even though they'll technically work), because Verizon says they don't guarantee they'll work on their network. I'm honest, considerate, and knowledgable; and I'm being beaten out on price because I'm doing things honestly. The crooks are making a ton of money, and honest sellers are finding the sales harder.

Absolutely insane.
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Yeah, they should be good, upstanding people who buy phones solely for the purpose to take advantage of supply and demand and raise the price significantly in order to profit...like you. And the should only sell them to Americans obviously...like you.
 
Meanwhile, I have one in perfect condition that I can't get anyone to bite on because it's used. They compare the price I'm asking to the contract price and say it's stupid to pay for it when they could get it cheaper at Verizon on a contract.
 
andyp350 said:
Well you know what, I'm amazed at your lack of morals. I ended up with extra iPhones this year as I wasn't sure which model I wanted. I did the decent thing and returned them to Apple instead of making a quick profit out of those who weren't lucky enough to get one on launch day.
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Some weren't lucky enough to get one on launch day because of people who bought extra ones to see which model they preferred. iPhones returned to Apple can't be sold as new.
 
I don't see why everyone is attacking the OP. There's nothing wrong about being a Reseller. He's waiting in line and buying the phone, others are paying extra to get the phone with minimal effort.

The people he talks about are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
 
seth556 said:
I don't see why everyone is attacking the OP. There's nothing wrong about being a Reseller. He's waiting in line and buying the phone, others are paying extra to get the phone with minimal effort.

The people he talks about are going to ruin it for the rest of us.
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I don't have a big problem with what the OP is doing. Nobody is forcing the buyer to pay more to get the phone. There is always the option of pre-ordering, standing in line or just waiting until the phone is readily available. However it is hardly admirable. This behavior is unfair and results in some who have waited hours in long lines to go home empty handed.
 
gsugolfer said:
Meanwhile, I have one in perfect condition that I can't get anyone to bite on because it's used. They compare the price I'm asking to the contract price and say it's stupid to pay for it when they could get it cheaper at Verizon on a contract.
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Those people are idiots!
 
Hal~9000 said:
You mean let people sign up for an Att/Next or Verizon/Edge contract, give them a $650+ smartphone, and just let them walk away without paying :confused:

Something doesn't seem right there...
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I still can't fathom the locking of mobile (cell) phones.

In the UK, you get "free", discounted or subsidised phones, when you take out a 12/24 month contract for X amount of minutes, texts and data.

For the life of me, I still can't understand the thought process of locking that phone.

For example, if I take out a 2 year contract with Vodafone, I get a cheap/free iPhone 6.

I sign up to pay them £50 per month for 2 years and they agree to provide me a phone service for 2 years.

When all is said and done, why on earth do/should Vodafone care what I do with my iPhone?

As long as I pay them my £50 each month as per the contract i signed, they shouldn't have any control over what I do with my iPhone.

If I decided to set light to it, that's my business and doesn't affect Vodafone, as long as they get their money.

It's wrong on so many levels and IMO only exists because "its what's always has happened".

It doesn't affect me, because I buy my iPhones unlocked from Apple, but it still makes me angry.
 
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If it's unlocked it's more appealing for someone to sell the phone and quit making payments even if when they bought the phone planning on doing so.
 
seth556 said:
If it's unlocked it's more appealing for someone to sell the phone and quit making payments even if when they bought the phone planning on doing so.
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In the UK, it's just not that simple.

Vodafone would simply sell the debt to a debt collection agency, who would come after you for the outstanding money (24 x £50=£1200+ their "costs") and you'd find yourself in court and also with a bad score against your credit rating, which will MASSIVELY affect your chances of getting another credit/loan agreement (mortgage, car, etc).

I think there are people that do default on their payments, but I don't think people do it to sell the phones and do a runner, as the risk is not worth the "reward", so again, why bother locking the phone?
 
Azzin said:
In the UK, it's just not that simple.

Vodafone would simply sell the debt to a debt collection agency, who would come after you for the outstanding money (24 x £50=£1200+ their "costs") and you'd find yourself in court and also with a bad score against your credit rating, which will MASSIVELY affect your chances of getting another credit/loan agreement (mortgage, car, etc).

I think there are people that do default on their payments, but I don't think people do it to sell the phones and do a runner, as the risk is not worth the "reward", so again, why bother locking the phone?
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It's the same in the US, so I can't imagine what point that poster is trying to make.
 
The whole service sector of the economy "scalps". Your local car dealer scalps (with the help of the government) by inserting himself between the manufacturer and the buyer. The whole point of the financial industry is to scalp money between creators and consumers. But I guess that is all fine and dandy as long as it's cloaked with a suit and a Maserati.. Oh woe me if someone less fortunate tries to get rich...
 
bevsb2 said:
Some weren't lucky enough to get one on launch day because of people who bought extra ones to see which model they preferred. iPhones returned to Apple can't be sold as new.
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Yes but it was something I had a genuine interest in having, I didn't purchase it with the intent of stopping someone else from buying it, its a bit different than deliberately buying more in order to make extra money for yourself.

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WolfSnap said:
The decent thing? Apple doesn't just sell the phone to the next person who walks in. The send it back to china and remanufacture it. Would have been better to resell them.
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Disagree, in my opinion buying something like a new piece of tech or concert tickets with the sole intention of selling it on for profit is disgusting and should be illegal.
 
It's a good thing there are good scalpers(slime) around to keep the bad scalpers (slime) in check... :(

Sorry, but as someone that is having a hard time locate a iPhone 6+ in stock, I think they ought to find a way to stop ALL the scalping.

I appreciate that you, the OP are an "honest" scalper, but you are part of the problem. I won't shed any tears for your dilema, but I'd be happy to kick you in the nads. :D

Note: Dishonest scalpers(slime) are welcome to 2 free kicks...
 
Azzin said:
In the UK, it's just not that simple.

Vodafone would simply sell the debt to a debt collection agency, who would come after you for the outstanding money (24 x £50=£1200+ their "costs") and you'd find yourself in court and also with a bad score against your credit rating, which will MASSIVELY affect your chances of getting another credit/loan agreement (mortgage, car, etc).

I think there are people that do default on their payments, but I don't think people do it to sell the phones and do a runner, as the risk is not worth the "reward", so again, why bother locking the phone?
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These crooks aren't dumb enough to use THEIR OWN account.
 
WolfSnap said:
That's also why it's harder for me to sell this year. People get afraid when there are criminals selling the phones. All the honest sellers get screwed.
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"Honest." Purposefully creating scarcity in order to make a profit, yeah that is totally honest.
 
andyp350 said:
Disagree, in my opinion buying something like a new piece of tech or concert tickets with the sole intention of selling it on for profit is disgusting and should be illegal.
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LOL -- I guess Walmart, Bestbuy, and every other retail establishment should be, in your words, illegal?



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calderone said:
"Honest." Purposefully creating scarcity in order to make a profit, yeah that is totally honest.
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I resell things for a living (well, I do IT work for businesses, and as a consequence, resell stuff to them). It's no different than buying a video card to resell. It's how the world works.
 
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bhags8 said:
You have a 5s. Lets not act like youre different from anyone else.
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I plan to keep it until it no longer works (probably 4 - 5 years by not updating past iOS 7 and battery replacements as needed) so yes... I am 'different' from a lot of people on the forum. Nice try though.
 
TJ82 said:
I'd say people who upgrade their phone every year are unethical and pathetic too through their perpetuation of a destructive cycle of rare earth mineral waste, shameless consumerism and exploitation.
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my face when reading that post
 

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