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I had one of those early MBAs - it was a dog, from day one. I now have the rMB and it is anything but - it's perfectly capable for what I use a laptop for, and a college student will appreciate the portability, carrying it to/from lectures, coupled with the much nicer screen (which is also meaningfully larger). The battery life is plenty for a student day; the ports are simply not going to be an issue, and if they are, an adapter will fix that. The power is not an issue for most people either - yes it's slower on paper, but in real world use that translates to slightly slower app load times and not much more.

Yes, it will get more powerful, because laptops do - but for a college student, as with most non-artist professionals, the rMB is a great machine and in many ways a better choice than the MBA11. Lucky student is all I say.
Me too. I had the original MBA, and it was terrible. Slow (HD, CPU), constant overheating, the one USB port. Couldn't wait to get rid of it. Now I have an rMB, and that's a completely different beast. For normal use it's completely capable. Technology has developed to the point where fast CPUs don't matter much for ordinary use.
 
The old lady did herself a favor by going with the rMB. Her eyes are bad enough because of the age so she wouldn't want to be looking at that horrible $5 panel that Apple put in the MBA.

Is there a standard or definition of "retina"? Hyperbolic statements like this make it sound as if the MBA has a grimly awful one while the MB is utterly fantastic. I've looked at them in the store and there isn't that big a difference.

If a display comes out with twice the resolution and improved contrast will the current MB display then be difficult to use?
 
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Is there a standard or definition of "retina"? Hyperbolic statements like this make it sound as if the MBA has a grimly awful one while the MB is utterly fantastic. I've looked at them in the store and there isn't that big a difference.

If a display comes out with twice the resolution and improved contrast will the current MB display then be difficult to use?

Sure, it will. No doubt. (There are some who state that the screen of the MBA is so bad that they can see, count the pixels on the screen, others can constantly here the fans of the MBA even across the room). What do you think?
 
Fundamentally the Retina Macbook has few if any issues, outside of typical QC at point of manufacturing, if the new MacBook does not meet your needs, then the answer is simple, it was never designed to, a point worth thinking on...

As with all of Apple`s computer lineup the the 12" Retina has both strengths and weaknesses, and some would do well to consider this. Some posts are akin to someone complaining that their 27" iMac is too big for the average messenger bag :) Some can and do consider the entry price high, equally as is the base specification, with the addition of multiple new technologies/hardware never previously released in an Apple portable. In many respects when you look at the Retina MacBook analytically the pricing is relatively good for an Apple product.

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Sure, it will. No doubt. (There are some who state that the screen of the MBA is so bad that they can see, count the pixels on the screen, others can constantly here the fans of the MBA even across the room). What do you think?

No doubt some will say that, but the answer is no, the older screen will have the same quality as before.

I already said what I think. I'd still like to know that the definition of "retina" is.
 
It is more powerful, has better battery life, and has far better specifications.

Far better specs? It what way? Half the RAM and half the storage. The CPU is marginally faster. It does not have "far better" specs.

Yeah, you could order the MBA with more RAM and storage. But then it would cost as much as the rMB and the price advantage of the Air would be gone.
 
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Right, I can see it as a secondary laptop. Totally, if money is no object yes I agree 100 %.

This girl was replacing her old computer.

Glad you know her needs more than she does.

The rMB is good enough for most people.
 
Is there a standard or definition of "retina"? Hyperbolic statements like this make it sound as if the MBA has a grimly awful one while the MB is utterly fantastic. I've looked at them in the store and there isn't that big a difference.

If a display comes out with twice the resolution and improved contrast will the current MB display then be difficult to use?

There's a much bigger difference between 100 and 200 PPI than between 200 and 400 PPI

Saying there isn't that big a different between the MBA and rMB displays is the understatement of the century. The resolution, colors, viewing angles, are all so much better. It's IPS.
 
No doubt some will say that, but the answer is no, the older screen will have the same quality as before.

I already said what I think. I'd still like to know that the definition of "retina" is.
There IS a standard definition of Retina, ever since Apple started using it - it's something like 'pixels are dense enough that the human eye cannot distinguish them at a standard usage distance'. Which is why retina on a macbook is less dense than retina on a phone - because the laptop is typically used further away from your nose than a phone.

There's a vast difference between the rMB and the old Macbook Airs - in terms of gamut, sharpness, saturation, viewing angles. Further improvements are subject to diminishing returns (and battery life).
 
There IS a standard definition of Retina, ever since Apple started using it - it's something like 'pixels are dense enough that the human eye cannot distinguish them at a standard usage distance'. Which is why retina on a macbook is less dense than retina on a phone - because the laptop is typically used further away from your nose than a phone.

There's a vast difference between the rMB and the old Macbook Airs - in terms of gamut, sharpness, saturation, viewing angles. Further improvements are subject to diminishing returns (and battery life).

This is a non sequitur. The quality of the screen of a MBA or a MB for that matter isn't better or worse due to the existence of a better or worse alternative.
 
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This is a non sequitur. The quality of the screen of a MBA or a MB for that matter isn't better or worse due to the existence of a better or worse alternative.

That is not so. Products of all sorts are judged based on the environment in which they are first released in. My old 24" iMac screen, or the two 22" IPS monitors at 1920x1200 I had at my desk for years were fantastic until we had something better by which to judge them. The 'car of the year' for 1988 or whatever year was truly class-leading for 1988, but would be laughed out of the competition in 2015 - even if it is still a great car in many ways. We progress, and what was acceptable before becomes obvious in its deficiencies as we can improve them.
 
Where is the second usable USB-C port that you speak of? Once you plug in the dongle there is still only one USB-C port that is usable.

My point is that with the inexpensive adapter and what comes standard, you have 2 USB-C ports to choose from, one standalone in the notebook and the other on the adapter itself.

Bottom line is that connectivity isn't a negative to the RMB. Instead, it's a major positive. Unlike the MBP and the MBA, you don't have to carry around all those ports and all that weight and all that thickness with the RMB.

BJ
 
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My point is that with the inexpensive adapter and what comes standard, you have 2 USB-C ports to choose from, one standalone in the notebook and the other on the adapter itself.

Bottom line is that connectivity isn't a negative to the RMB. Instead, it's a major positive. Unlike the MBP and the MBA, you don't have to carry around all those ports and all that weight and all that thickness with the RMB.

BJ

Nice piece of demagoguery.
You are trying to back off per your post #6:
It has a USB port, two USB-C ports, and an HDMI port...
The adapter in question (per your post #6) is expensive, i.e. it represents 6% of the price of the rMB.
As was pointed out by brand in his post #25, once you plug-in the adapter you have only one USB-C port. And you have no choice. If you don't use the USB-C port on your rMB, it still makes one port available. I don't think it should be so hard to understand for a "VP of a Fortune 500 company".
You can connect anything to the rMB (except mains) only with an adapter. Is such a restriction really a major positive?
"You don't have to carry around all those ports and all that weight", instead you have to carry around and use a dongle (not weitghtless), if you want to connect even a simple pendrive.
 
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Given the logic above, the MBA is expensive - why not just get a ASUS laptop?
better CPU, better screen, better sound, more ports, same-ish weight and 50% cheaper!
 
The girls usage... (Tip for you op I have kids)

1, school crap
2, Facebook
3, YouTube
4, maybe that iTunes thingy
5, it needs to be light (weight wise)
 
Totally agree! Nicest MacBook ever.
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Nothing poor about the connectivity of the RMB. It has a USB port, two USB-C ports, and an HDMI port.

Apple has merely allowed the user to remove the ports for the ultimate in slim/light design the 90% of the time they aren't needed.

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This is a non sequitur. The quality of the screen of a MBA or a MB for that matter isn't better or worse due to the existence of a better or worse alternative.

I defined Retina for you, because you repeatedly challenged someone to - I pointed out that the macbook screens are far superior to the MBA screens. Why is that a non sequitur?

'Good and bad' are entirely relative concepts. The Macbook Air screen was acceptable when it was launched (never good though, even by the standard of the times); now that screens have become progressively better, the Air screens are bad when viewed against the alternative. The functionality doesn't change depending on what's availability - but the quality does, because quality is entirely relative to what else is available.
 
For around $30 from amazon i got a sleek aluminum dongle with two usb and power port.
I have that, too, but unfortunately the power port is a bit shaky when you use USB 3.0 devices on the ports. Apparently the chipset is designed mostly to provide power only when using USB 2.0 devices.
 
Nice piece of demagoguery.
You are trying to back off per your post #6:
The adapter in question (per your post #6) is expensive, i.e. it represents 6% of the price of the rMB.
As was pointed out by brand in his post #25, once you plug-in the adapter you have only one USB-C port. And you have no choice. If you don't use the USB-C port on your rMB, it still makes one port available. I don't think it should be so hard to understand for a "VP of a Fortune 500 company".
You can connect anything to the rMB (except mains) only with an adapter. Is such a restriction really a major positive?
"You don't have to carry around all those ports and all that weight", instead you have to carry around and use a dongle (not weitghtless), if you want to connect even a simple pendrive.

You miss the point(s) entirely.

With the adapter you wind up with 2 USB-C ports, meaning that when you use 1 for the adapter you still have 1 USB-C port left. It's an important distinction because some may think that the adapter causes the loss of the USB-C port when it doesn't.

When I am in my office or home at a desk I use the adapter maybe 10% of the time. I have enough SSD space to not need an external drive, I have a Bluetooth mouse so I don't need a receiver, I use Dropbox so I don't need a thumb drive, I have wi-fi so as to not need ethernet, the only time I seem to use the adapter is when I need to connect to a monitor or a Powerpoint projector.

When I am on the road, I don't need the adapter at all. And that's the beauty of the RMB. The adapter is indeed "weightless" because I don't bring it with me. And unlike other notebooks, the battery life is so stellar on the RMB that there have been two day trips I've taken where not only did I leave the adapter behind but I've also left the power brick behind. It's a dream machine for the road warrior. And that's why it exists.

BJ
 
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You'd almost think that a wood stove isn't warm.

No, I think that a wood stove was a great source of heat 150 years ago. Today, compared to what we have as alternatives, they look pretty poor in terms of safety, efficiency, maintenance, etc.
 
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You miss the point(s) entirely.

With the adapter you wind up with 2 USB-C ports, meaning that when you use 1 for the adapter you still have 1 USB-C port left. It's an important distinction because some may think that the adapter causes the loss of the USB-C port when it doesn't.

BJ

You have 2 USB ports in total, but only one USB-C with the adapter. So you can have a monitor and a USB-A device plugged into the adapter while still charging the MacBook.
 
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