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I'm depressed...
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Mac's were never about the processors to me. Sure they were damn fine processors but it was all about the OS, the applications and the community.
Just take a look at what OS X is today. It is future-proof, secure, has an excellent and enjoyable development environment, is more beautiful, is easier to use and more straightforward and can do some wonderful things with the hardware seamlessly.
We also have top notch applications from excellent developers. Companies like Panic, OmniGroup, Delicious Monster and myself into the future are dedicated to providing simple yet powerful applications with the customers wants and needs in mind. You just don't see apps like Transmit, Delicious Library, Connoisseur, Watson, NetNewsWire or the countless others on the Windows platform or even Linux.
Finally the community is awesome. I simply look at the support we have received as we raise money for Leukaemia research as being the icing on the cake. You know you can trust your Mac friend to help you out just like you know there are going to be friendly people on these forums and many others.
So in the end we still have it pretty good and I didn't even have to cover hardware design.
*gets back to constructing more applications*
Just take a look at what OS X is today. It is future-proof, secure, has an excellent and enjoyable development environment, is more beautiful, is easier to use and more straightforward and can do some wonderful things with the hardware seamlessly.
We also have top notch applications from excellent developers. Companies like Panic, OmniGroup, Delicious Monster and myself into the future are dedicated to providing simple yet powerful applications with the customers wants and needs in mind. You just don't see apps like Transmit, Delicious Library, Connoisseur, Watson, NetNewsWire or the countless others on the Windows platform or even Linux.
Finally the community is awesome. I simply look at the support we have received as we raise money for Leukaemia research as being the icing on the cake. You know you can trust your Mac friend to help you out just like you know there are going to be friendly people on these forums and many others.
So in the end we still have it pretty good and I didn't even have to cover hardware design.
*gets back to constructing more applications*
Gary.... you're in stage 4 of the 5 steps according to the Joy of Tech's current cartoon...
If it's any help, stage 5 is acceptance...
JoT cartoon
If it's any help, stage 5 is acceptance...
JoT cartoon
actually i find this all pretty depressing too. this movement to convergent systems may well result is nothing being TRULY being optimised for macs. unless of course os x ends up wiping out windows completely. damn it. that might actually happen. maybe i'm not so depressed. 
I haven't felt like this since I was told there was no Father Christmas when I was 7 years old.
After reading lthis article at Anandtech last week, I was reminded how well the dual G5 generally performs against much more expensive processors from Intel.
I have a feeling that this move to Intel is all about the Powerbook line, and Apple's desire to have bragging rights with the best portable, and it's messing with my head, precisely because a lot of Mac fans like me have actually bought into the philosoophy behind Apple, not just the products.
After reading lthis article at Anandtech last week, I was reminded how well the dual G5 generally performs against much more expensive processors from Intel.
I have a feeling that this move to Intel is all about the Powerbook line, and Apple's desire to have bragging rights with the best portable, and it's messing with my head, precisely because a lot of Mac fans like me have actually bought into the philosoophy behind Apple, not just the products.
cube said:
LOL, who is becoming an Intel fanboy? How is it not fanboism what you say?
cube said:
It is a company for Christ's sake. It is ALL about making money and market share and I'd consider you very naive if you believed otherwise.
cube said:
So the G5 is a piece of engineering beauty while the Pentium M isn't???
And how is IBM not an empire? And how do you define "bad" empire???
Anyway, I think Intel will do much better than IBM, which has sucked the last 2 years and probably will for the time to come.
Why would it? Its not like you have a choice about what CPU is in the box. No need to advertise what is already a foregone conclusion, especially on a website devoted to mac users.
Bogus - there is nothing wrong with the x86 architecture. Yes apple has fed that line for years, why not - it WAS the competition. Just wait a couple of weeks and you'll see benchmarks from apple showing the exact opposite. Within 5 years most Mac users will be saying "Intel is awesome". This has all happened before and to be honest, the PPC is not THAT good. Its merely good.
Apple aren't stupid - this will all work out in the end. I don't know why people on a forum think they know better than the engineers and developers at apple!? Its ludicrous, your just spreading fud.
Remember - Apple == Design and OS. Not the CPU otherwise Apple would have ceased to exist the second it moved to the first PPC cpu.
You still do - you don't just drop a CPU in a box and it works. There is a whole lot of other stuff that goes into making the Mac experience and the CPU is a VERY small part of that.
I've been a programmer for 20 years.
And I have coded on x86, PPC and a bunch of other cpus, from 8bit to 64bit architectures - in 5 different languages including ASM.
So don't give me that crap. Its all about points of view - you like the PPC - I like that PPC - but the gap is not as big as the DEFINITIVE statement used above presupposes. Seriously - its a half truth. It has limitations, but so has the PPC.
Huh, thats one of the architectures i've written for too, the Sparc CPUs. Nice machine. Of course, back then it was the ol' pizza box machines...
Okay good call.
Software for Solaris is a bit thin on the ground unless your looking for server gear though. I would think that wouldn't be the choice of the average user. They are also pretty expensive unless you go for clones like the cycle CPUs.
Okay good call.
Software for Solaris is a bit thin on the ground unless your looking for server gear though. I would think that wouldn't be the choice of the average user. They are also pretty expensive unless you go for clones like the cycle CPUs.