for it to be fixed. maybe if apple spent a fraction of the billions they have towards engineering RnD, they would solve this problem. hell, patent it, I don't give a damn if only the rMBP has that new feature - just as long as it exists.
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I'm not crazy. The rMBP keyboard reaches 48 celsius / 118 fahrenheit
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for it to be fixed. maybe if apple spent a fraction of the billions they have towards engineering RnD, they would solve this problem. hell, patent it, I don't give a damn if only the rMBP has that new feature - just as long as it exists.
My retina display has no issues at all. Whatsoever. By far the best display ive ever used.
Your trollish comments indicate otherwise. I would have guessed your end goal is to convince everyone that only you are right.
Anyway, this is a problem with known solutions, to either increase the size of the laptop/cooling system or to use lower wattage CPU's. The last few architectural improvements from Intel were focused on more efficient power usage, and this year, Apple was able to swap the rMBP 13's 35W CPU to a 28W CPU while increasing CPU and GPU performance. According to notebookcheck (late 2013 vs late 2012), this resolved throttling issues and dropped surface temperatures quite a bit. This did not happen with the rMBP 15 as Intel's 35W quad-core CPU's are still too slow compared to their standard 45W CPU's, and Nvidia's GT 750M hasn't changed much.
Intel and Apple (and all other laptop manufacturers) do in fact need many years to solve this problem. Apple obviously does not want to reduce the portability their laptops, and Intel's lowering of thermal envelopes can only improve so much per year. "Innovation" is not some magic that immediately solves thermal problems.
so sit and wait until they squeeze money out of you while their engineers quite possibly know of solutions but aren't allowed to implement them for profitability reasons.
and you should consider the display issues so many people here are posting about. checkout the new one on quality control.
Oh, no. I don't think you understood my comment at all. Engineers are aware that decreasing thermal envelopes solves heat issues, but actually decreasing thermal envelopes is an incredibly difficult problem. It costs Intel billions of R&D/year, and AMD is having a hard time keeping up due to the lack of revenue to fund such R&D.
I definitely am aware of IR/yellowing issues. It would be impossible not to be, considering it's a significant source of discussion on this forum.
I think I should clarify that people are inclined to argue with you because you make a lot of over-the-top blanket statements. As I mentioned earlier, people wouldn't think you're a troll if you were more reasonable.
How is your time spent on this forum furthering that?
You seem utterly surprised that rMBPs can get as hot as they do (per your first post). MacWorld's been writing articles about MBP temperatures for seven years now. Seven years. MacBook Pros run hot when under a high CPU load. You're not bringing any new information to light on this topic.
As for Apple having a spotty quality history, you're not bringing any new information to light with that, either. As sinc26 pointed out, it's a huge current topic of discussion on here. The 27" iMac screens that were yellow tinted a few years ago were a huge topic of discussion (and front page MacRumors articles), as were the first generation LED MBP screens a few years before that. My first Apple notebook, a "hi-res" 15" PowerBook from back in 2005, had a screen that had the infamous horizontal banding issue. Apple replaced my screen with no questions asked, although I waited a month or two for them to identify/address the supplier with the issue before I sent it in.
I can understand you wanting Apple to do better in terms of thermals and monitor quality control, but I honestly don't see how you can correlate your actions here as to having any effect on making Apple change their designs. I just think there's got to a better way for you to achieve your goals. The end result of your actions here seem to be a lot of eye rolls from many people.
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What are our options? The best way is to launch an anti-apple campaign for any effective resolution. What matters isn't apple. it's meeting customer requirements. If another company beats apple to it, then great.
If the issue is this huge, as it seems to me, then people should vote with their $$$$$ and by providing negative PR.
Sorry, but you are absolutely delusional if you think the discussions you see in this forum are grounds for an anti-Apple campaign. The number of people with issues is incredibly skewed because those who have no problems do not post forums articles about it.
But, I guess you like the sweeping generalised argument so clearly EVERYTHING is wrong with Apple and EVERYONE must have issues because YOU don't like something. Sensationalism at its finest. You would make a great tabloid journalist.
Emphasis added to the most important word. As most everyone here seems to agree, and not always because they are "fan boys," it isn't huge. If a machine has an actual problem, people can swap it for a new one. If there's not a problem (which the temperatures aren'talthough they could be better) and people are just imagining one because they don't comprehend the basic laws of physics...well, I'm not sure what to tell them to do.
This thread is hilarious to read... high-level trolling.
Apple's aim is to keep customer satisfaction high, they are always proud of the numbers regarding this. If the heat and display were problems they would hear enough about it and do something. This issue isn't huge. My first Haswell rMBP didn't have any problems at all, with either heat or the display. Some people just have bad luck. You always hear about something when there's something wrong, but you don't when everything is fine.
Please, just stop. We know your opinion now. There is nothing we can or will do about it. This thread is pointless.
Apple's aim is to keep customer satisfaction high, they are always proud of the numbers regarding this. If the heat and display were problems they would hear enough about it and do something. This issue isn't huge. My first Haswell rMBP didn't have any problems at all, with either heat or the display. Some people just have bad luck. You always hear about something when there's something wrong, but you don't when everything is fine.
Please, just stop. We know your opinion now. There is nothing we can or will do about it. This thread is pointless.
People here are actually right about how hot the MBP gets. I tested 2012 and 2011 models, and they were FAR worse than the 2013 model. However, all 3 of them are unsatisfactory.
YOU might like the temps because you're not pushing the laptop hard enough, but as it reaches above idle temps (60C), it still is either too warm or already hot near the number key pad and vent area.
Hopefully broadwell is better.
But let me ask you guys something. Is having a machine that runs at 90-100 degrees when doing intensive work not decreasing it's life?
I understood it like that the components, logic board and battery becomes more unstable from continuous high levels of heat. Is a person who taxes his machine for a long tme really gonna have it work for as many years as someone who just does light/moderate work loads?
I'm talking, video editing for 10 hours, leaving a rendering file overnight, gaming for 12 hours and so on.
I understood it like that the components, logic board and battery becomes more unstable from continuous high levels of heat. Is a person who taxes his machine for a long tme really gonna have it work for as many years as someone who just does light/moderate work loads?
I'm talking, video editing for 10 hours, leaving a rendering file overnight, gaming for 12 hours and so on.
It's not sustained high heat that kills machines, it's the constant cycling.
A friend of mine had the same year of MBP, we both got them in 2007. Mine is still working today, his died two years ago. The only difference: I keep mine on 24/7, he puts his to sleep every night.
Also, our gen was the one with thermal paste issue, GeForce 8600m GT. So it was already at higher-risk of failure, unlike the newer unibody models.
A friend of mine had the same year of MBP, we both got them in 2007. Mine is still working today, his died two years ago. The only difference: I keep mine on 24/7, he puts his to sleep every night.
Also, our gen was the one with thermal paste issue, GeForce 8600m GT. So it was already at higher-risk of failure, unlike the newer unibody models.
Yes, it will wear out faster. The common rebuttal is you'll want to replace your $3000 machine before that happens. That's equivalent to saying, "shutup, just buy a new one"
but I've heard some people say that Macbook Pros can withstand more heat because they are made of aluminium, which attracts the heats away from the main components working as a heatsink. which is why it gets so hot on the surface.
I also read on this forum, that somebody said the thermal profile was designed to start throttling after 100c. but if this is related to wearing out faster I dunno...
my iMac early 2008 had its graphics card fried in 2012.
The Tjunction value on Intel's processors is around 100 degrees, so yeah, beyond that and they're going to throttle a bit. That's probably why I detect a max temp of 100 degrees using the OP's temperature utility when pushing my machinethere's probably throttling going on. (I get a much lower reading from other utilities.)
In terms of lifespan, I'm not too worried. Heat's bad day-in-day-out, but if you only occasionally do this stuff, I think you're OK. There's a reason the fans spin up.
I pushed the laptop to it's limits a few times yes. The aluminium area above the keyboard was really hot, but I could keep my finger on it without getting burned or whatever. The thing is I don't actually touch that area when normally using the device. They keyboard itself was warm, but I had no problem typing.
In the end you just have to understand that when you want such a powerful device, in a such a thin and beautiful body, you will have these "problems". It's just how it works. Not accepting this will keep you unhappy forever. Accept that it's just the way it is. There is nothing WE, the people here on this forum, can do. Don't forget there is a mass of people outside of here that also buy these products. As long as they don't complaint, Apple won't do anything.
As I've shown you with that MacWorld article from seven years ago, MacBook Pros (and the PowerBooks before them) all ran about as hot as the rMBPs do.
Where is the history that shows them wearing out faster?
There are 7+ years of tens of millions of these machines being sold. If there's a trend of them failing early, it'd be noticeable, IMO. I mean good lord, look at the huge discussions on here about the machines with the tinted screens. Where is the same for machines having failed prematurely from heat?
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