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Discussion in 'MacBook Pro' started by phaselocked, Nov 22, 2016.
Do they play a lot of Mafia 3 in the Audiovisual Art & Design Industry? Here we go - another "pro" bitching about the fps in games. Did you at least check how it works in, you know, real pro apps?
Also, Apple literaly used the same class of GPU (middle-class mobile) for the past, what, 8 years? More? And you're suddenly angry? Tell me the name of the last MacBook Pro that was good for gaming. In fact, compared to all previous MBPs, this one is ahead of the curve.
You're either angry because you can't afford it, or you're just trolling.
Well, that low-end GPU can play modern games at high@60fps, so its kind of sufficient for the laptop category Apple is going for. Besides, its faster than the vast majority of the gaming laptops currently on the market (the most popular gaming laptop GPU is still the 950m/960m). And anyway, there are dozens of threads discussing the same topic. Why make a new one?
You obviously have never tried a pro app before. I suggest you try developing shaders, or do some VFX editing in 4k video material. Not talking about VR development yet... *juvenile comment deleted by myself*
Answer the question. This is literally the exact same class of card that has always been used in the MBP's. There is no other card with better performance in anything less than double the power envelope. Apple wasn't going to suddenly use a 90W card in their laptops.
While I do agree that Apple has never been known for being a "gaming" laptop, and they have always had mid-range GPU's on their "high-end" models, I think the issue people are having are the price increases on the MBP given the tech inside is about a year outdated, and I'm not just speaking about GPU's... They seem to be rolling with the "battery-life" excuse, but there are many other products on the market that are able to have DDR4 ram, Kaby Lake, 12+ hours Battery life (I believe the surfacebook is 16), different ports, and still be at or cheaper than what a MBP costs and be extremely portable.
It's disappointing that the company that prides itself in "innovation" and is the richest company in the world hasn't figured out how to give consumers a product that they want... or rather don't want to because it's easier to milk their loyal consumers for money... For example, many companies offered dongles for free in their laptops which only had USB-C, but not Apple, who is charging $20+ for a dongle to connect your iphone to your macbook pro (which costs pennies to produce).
The MBP 2016 has just hurt Apple reputation if anything, and it's a big red flag for average consumers going forward who keep hearing the negative reviews of the Mac. A month before the MBP was released Apple told us "head phone jacks are old tech", and gave us "lightning" headphones with our new iphones, but a month later come out with their MBP (Which has been the longest wait for) and include a headphone jack and no lightning jack? They have been developing the iphone7 and new MBP for over a year and didn't think about making it easier on their consumers who are in the "ecosystem" or rather, lets just give the sheep a dongle they will have to spend $20 for (which they originally charged more for lol).
They claim USB-C is the future? but didn't offer 32 GB ram because of "battery" issues, and that 16GB is more than enough for the time being... but isn't this MBP supposed to be "future proof"?
Fact is, the new MBP's are decent laptops, but simply not worth the price tag Apple has put on them, but their loyal consumers like myself who have bought into the ecosystem seem to be getting the short end of the stick lately as Apple isn't really focused on innovation but profit margins... and when they do pretend to be "innovative" they contradict themselves with their other products and make it hard for you to use them together (which used to be one of the positive aspects of being in the apple ecosystem).
That being said, it's easier for me right now to get the MBP than switch up entirely, but I will say the Apple I once knew and loved has shifted, and going forward I will be slowly trying to get myself out of the "ecosystem", as this year Apple has left a bad taste in my mouth with how they are trying to milk their loyal consumers.
Its sad. Your original post had so much potential for a good discussion but then you had to ruin it with a juvenile comment.
You are right. So I deleted it
MBP can't run games with smooth FPS at full resolution? Well that's news! Again, it's not a gaming pc, if you want to play games, buy a gaming computer!
I really don't see the point in that video.
Would you be so kind and explain which changes you want?
It is NOT about gaming. Please read It is nowhere near future proof, innovative. I grew up with apple being the #1 in the creative industry, sadly enough those days are gone. Companies and personal users are now putting their eye on the Surface Studio's, and other products. This is not a complaint, it is just a major disappointment and it feels that apple is using their strong position in indeed 'milking' out customers.
I can guarantee you that the 2016 MBP can last you easily 3 years without needing to upgrade, of course again, without the gaming discussion. That is future proof.
As a personal notebook, yes. As a PROfessional tool, no, it's already outdated.
1. Apple never used high-end GPUs in their laptops or even desktops. Thats a fact.
2. If the MBP is unsuitable for creative work, then the Surface Studio is unsuitable as well. It uses the same class GPU unless you go top spec.
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By your logic, so is every single Surface product and also every single Dell XPS.
The only stuff that is apparently not outdated for pro work are high-end gaming laptops
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Playstation Pro can't even run Photoshop. What a lame device, not worthy of the pro name!
Precisely! These Macs are configured nowhere far from any of these similar products. People who buy these $2.4K-3K macs just feel entitled to get the best product in the world, but it's just like any other product out there, maybe a little better, maybe a little worse.
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Also, don't like it, don't buy it. You rant won't make Apple make a special one for you
Then what is it about? You linked a video called "Gaming on a $4300 MacBook Pro". And the only comment was that you were paying 4k for a machine to run mail? Which is obviously nonsense.
As for future proof, what do you expect? It's not like in 3 years time you're going to see a massive jump in performance, the industry just isn't moving that way. At most you'll see more battery life with 10% increase in power. So 'Future proofing' for what exactly?
The only reason Apple were #1 in the creative industry was the early days of Adobe, those days are long gone. Now it's a preference. Most companies I know use Windows as it's cheaper, and easier to upgrade, and Apple have never had a massive footprint in the creative side of things. More the education, as they have always had pretty nice deals with educators to put their machines in the schools.
Also I'm a creative and I'm in no way eyeing up the Surface Studio, that thing looks like a huge gimmick. You also can't complain about the MBP being underpowered, and compare it to the Studio, which is hugely underpowered for the price.
As for milking customers, how? The days of cheap computers are over, they were artificially suppressed for a number of years however this just isn't sustainable. There's a lot involved throughout the chain, such as higher R&D costs for Intel or Apple, right down to the factory workers demanding a higher wage. I'm not saying this isn't an expensive device, but it seems in line with similar powered devices from other manufacturers and given the global economy, it seems right.
this isn't a gaming laptop, its a work-travel balanced (supremely balanced I would say) pro laptop. Is this some attempt to get youtube hits for some ridiculous gaming comparison? those thunderbolt 3 (not usb-c) can drive two 5K monitors plus the native retina, while doing FCPX. What the hell do you do as a 'pro' exactly.
There is such a lack of critical thinking in these forum rants. So PLEASE for the love of god cancel your preorders to move me up the line.
So much truth.
Apple hasn't changed at all, your expectations have become completely out whack with what Apple are aiming for and the world in general.
Yes, 10 years as a game developer, all I do is run Word and Mail.
So, you're saying that anyone who develops shaders and does VFX editing etc. uses Alienware and Razer laptops? Oh, correction - they can only do it as of this year, with the new 10-series, because the 965 equivalent is, apparently, not enough. So, bascially, there were no pro laptops until 2016, and the onlyones that are pro now are laptops with the name "Blade" and "Stealth" in their names.
Dude. You can run pro apps on a MBP. It's a laptop, not a rendering server farm. It's a highly portable, fast computer that can replace workstation desktops for most - but not all tasks. And your proof that it can't is a guy playing some silly mobster game (that, btw, works quite nice if you look at the video, tbh)
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Was this you? http://mashable.com/2014/08/27/microsoft-excel-games/#LBLiKLFKEkqT
I think a lot of the complaints here, kind of on what you say, is that these new laptops are not significantly more powerful than the previous generation. I see a lot of posts about people who own a 2015 15" complain that the 2016 15" is underpowered, and they have no reason to upgrade. Yet these same people, are the ones complaining about future proofing. If anything this just proves your laptop is perfectly future proof, if they released a laptop that was 10x more powerful then you would be forced to upgrade due to obsolescence.
The some reason the OP has replaced their post with a pair of breasts, deleting this You Tube video:
To a layman, that's pretty amazing to see. That MacBook Pro cannot play that game.
Aren't Macs designed for heavy graphics work? Surely there are games designers out there who need a computer on which to work?
Complete BS. The new MBP is far closer in power to a current comparable workstation than it has ever been in the history of the device. It's more powerful than the vast majority of PC laptops used professionally - not by a little bit, but by an order of magnitude. Name one part that is already outdated.