I'm sick and tired of macrumors forum…

[facedmurkroots]

OP, I completely agree with you. I have read this forum and site for years and signed up recently. And for commenting on a similar thread to this I too got a warning then banned when I made a post about it.

I can’t imagine how it would feel with the amount of posts and time you’ve contributed and made the forum a more valuable place for. I am actually shocked you have got warnings, I am newly signed up so maybe they think I’m spam but it’s interesting to see that even long term stable members are experiencing the same. I truly hope they fix it soon to avoid losing more members

 

[I7guy]

OP, I completely agree with you. I have read this forum and site for years and signed up recently. And for commenting on a similar thread to this I too got a warning then banned when I made a post about it.

I can’t imagine how it would feel with the amount of posts and time you’ve contributed and made the forum a more valuable place for. I am actually shocked you have got warnings, I am newly signed up so maybe they think I’m spam but it’s interesting to see that even long term stable members are experiencing the same. I truly hope they fix it soon to avoid losing more members

To be candid, if you believe it’s the system that’s broken rather than posters understanding the rules and taking accountability for their posts, you’re in for a rocky posting road.

 

[Ben J.]

OP, I completely agree with you. I have read this forum and site for years and signed up recently. And for commenting on a similar thread to this I too got a warning then banned when I made a post about it.

I can’t imagine how it would feel with the amount of posts and time you’ve contributed and made the forum a more valuable place for. I am actually shocked you have got warnings, I am newly signed up so maybe they think I’m spam but it’s interesting to see that even long term stable members are experiencing the same. I truly hope they fix it soon to avoid losing more members

Thank you. I've checked in on this thread from time to time, and seen how posts supporting my views have been deleted, how "loyalists" have not adressed the points I made and instead all but derailed the thread.

Doctor Q helpfully supplied a summary of my incidents in post #57, page 3. I have not seen anyone commenting on the specifics in that post. Although it's slightly angled in favour of the mods, I think it speaks for itself, how the moderation culture on MR forums is turning people like me away.

This thread and the response it has got makes me even more convinced that I don't need this, and that I won't be missing these forums at all.

 

[svenmany]

Thank you. I've checked in on this thread from time to time, and seen how posts supporting my views have been deleted, how "loyalists" have not adressed the points I made and instead all but derailed the thread.

Doctor Q helpfully supplied a summary of my incidents in post #57, page 3. I have not seen anyone commenting on the specifics in that post. Although it's slightly angled in favour of the mods, I think it speaks for itself, how the moderation culture on MR forums is turning people like me away.

This thread and the response it has got makes me even more convinced that I don't need this, and that I won't be missing these forums at all.

I'm surprised to see you following the thread and still posting.

 

[tdar]

The only thing that I am going to say, is that the changes in how mods work here, have caused people to leave. And that is a sad thing.

 

[Iwavvns]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

Please don’t take it personally. The moderators here are just people who have too much power. I was a moderator once and we had a testing and psychological screening process to weed out people who shouldn’t be mods. The test/screening worked and it should be standard practice for all forums, that way we’d have respectful and consistent mods everywhere instead of the bullies we see far too often. There should be more rules and limitations in place. For instance, mods should only be allowed to serve for one year and then cannot serve as a mod again for two years.

 

[svenmany]

The only thing that I am going to say, is that the changes in how mods work here, have caused people to leave. And that is a sad thing.

I agree that it's sad. Any group will have conflict and the larger the group the more conflict it will have. It's sad we can't all just get along, but if people aren't compatible, they'll be happier when they go their separate ways.

By their actions, the moderators create an environment that's comfortable for some people and uncomfortable for others. They could manage it more loosely, making it less comfortable and less uncomfortable. There's no way to measure the net happiness of everyone involved to make that decision perfectly. It's also not clear what would keep the most people on the site; allowing more conflict might drive people away.

It's not fair to judge moderation without reviewing the details of a bunch of incidents. Whenever someone complains about how they were moderated they should immediately give permission to have the details discussed publicly. Only after you've seen enough examples can you draw a conclusion about whether the moderation is generally aligned with your own values.

 

[I7guy]

I agree that it's sad. Any group will have conflict and the larger the group the more conflict it will have. It's sad we can't all just get along, but if people aren't compatible, they'll be happier when they go their separate ways.

By their actions, the moderators create an environment that's comfortable for some people and uncomfortable for others. They could manage it more loosely, making it less comfortable and less uncomfortable. There's no way to measure the net happiness of everyone involved to make that decision perfectly. It's also not clear what would keep the most people on the site; allowing more conflict might drive people away.

It's not fair to judge moderation without reviewing the details of a bunch of incidents. Whenever someone complains about how they were moderated they should immediately give permission to have the details discussed publicly. Only after you've seen enough examples can you draw a conclusion about whether the moderation is generally aligned with your own values.

As I read tdar's reponse I was thinking the same thing and would have written something similar. The enforcement of civility I think is a big draw to the site. Ben J wants more leniency in ability to post insulting or degrading phrases. I appreciate the fact there is a push to enforce some civility. My suspicion is there is more of a net gain than a net loss with this "heavy handed" moderation.

MacRumors is free (and of course you could donate and be the equivalent of a patreon supporter) and Joe R provides a perspective: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-iphones-but-not-in-u-s.2452941/post-33796442 Those who enjoy the various discussion areas on this site would like it to keep operating. The online equivalent of barroom brawls, of which, the old PRSI was, imo, did not show the best side of this site.

 

[XboxEvolved]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

Have you been on there internet? Forums that are still around at least are all pretty heavily moderated. This one seems pretty decent. Besides that how many forums are even actually active nowadays?

 

[M.Brane]

The days of 2000s internet forums are over. Somebody has to pay the hosting bill, and they get to decide what content you get.

 

[davegoody]

…and its moderators suspending me for breaking the forum rules. For stupid, silly little reasons that I won't go into here, because I post this not to argue about it, I just want to explain why you won't be seeing me much on the forums from now on. If you're a moderator, I'm sure you will be able to find the reasons for my suspensions, and what posts triggered them.

I feel I'm being treated like a child and I feel unwelcome. Anyone who has seen my posts in the forums I'm sure will agree with me that I have always been polite, positive and constructive. I have many years of experience and knowledge that I've tried to share with the community, but this last suspension was the last straw.

I will no longer participate in the forums like I have before. IMO, it's macrumors and its forum users' loss, not mine.

I've never seen a forum run in such an authoritarian way.

Happens a lot on some other groups I am a member of (such as the Tesla group). Been a member here for years, and never had a problem. It's likely just something you said, or the way you said it. Don't take it personally, it's frustrating though.

 

[svenmany]

Happens a lot on some other groups I am a member of (such as the Tesla group). Been a member here for years, and never had a problem. It's likely just something you said, or the way you said it. Don't take it personally, it's frustrating though.

Here's a recap of some of what he said:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/im-sick-and-tired-of-macrumors-forum.2446142/post-33710054

 

[MBAir2010]

Here's a recap of some of what he said:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/im-sick-and-tired-of-macrumors-forum.2446142/post-33710054

seems to me that I say, that post was a lot of unnecessary work.

I only we knew what mods do.......

 

[fatTribble]

The months that followed the release of Vision Pro had me wanting more moderation, not less. I’m all for folks expressing varied opinions, but the tone and frequency of the negative posts were trying to me.

Any article or post related to Vision Pro attracted posters who clearly didn’t like the product. The negativity was directed not just at the product. Buyers were ridiculed frequently.

Over time I think some owners just got tired of the negativity and posted less often. So from my perspective a more moderated forum might have made the experience better for some. But I understand there are downsides of that too.

To take the words of the OP, I wish more folks could strive to be “polite, positive and constructive”.

 

[bousozoku]

Thank you. I've checked in on this thread from time to time, and seen how posts supporting my views have been deleted, how "loyalists" have not adressed the points I made and instead all but derailed the thread.

Doctor Q helpfully supplied a summary of my incidents in post #57, page 3. I have not seen anyone commenting on the specifics in that post. Although it's slightly angled in favour of the mods, I think it speaks for itself, how the moderation culture on MR forums is turning people like me away.

This thread and the response it has got makes me even more convinced that I don't need this, and that I won't be missing these forums at all.

Self-restraint is a virtue.

 

[MBAir2010]

The months that followed the release of Vision Pro had me wanting more ....

Wow I forgot all about that.....
that
that 'thing"

 

[hobowankenobi]

I have received 2 warnings, and both were fair and warranted. Once for trolling a troll (he started it ), and once for a political post.

I welcome the rules that keep things civil, useful, and on topic...even on rare occasions when I violate them. Having been a moderator in another universe, I appreciate the moderator's work here!

 

[I7guy]

I have received 2 warnings, and both were fair and warranted. Once for trolling a troll (he started it ), and once for a political post.

I welcome the rules that keep things civil, useful, and on topic...even on rare occasions when I violate them. Having been a moderator in another universe, I appreciate the moderator's work here!

I’ve received my fair share over time. I think once I may have engaged further. Especially if a reminder is sent, take the feedback and go on with your posting life. It’s much easier on all.

 

[facedmurkroots]

Here's a recap of some of what he said:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/im-sick-and-tired-of-macrumors-forum.2446142/post-33710054

So he didn’t insult other members other than referring to an unspecified group of people, which by the way could mean other sites online not just MR Forums, as ‘youngsters’. …what?

But it was interpreted by a moderator as being an insult to another member. This is like those GTA V roleplay servers where kids go around looking to be cops and feel some kind of gratification over others.

Sort of validates my same issues with the thing. I’m sure 90% of the moderation team is fine and probably read Ben J’s post along with posts I made that got warnings and suspension and didn’t find an issue with it. But as I say, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

 

[I7guy]

So he didn’t insult other members other than referring to an unspecified group of people, which by the way could mean other sites online not just MR Forums, as ‘youngsters’. …what?

But it was interpreted by a moderator as being an insult to another member. This is like those GTA V roleplay servers where kids go around looking to be cops and feel some kind of gratification over others.

Sort of validates my same issues with the thing. I’m sure 90% of the moderation team is fine and probably read Ben J’s post along with posts I made that got warnings and suspension and didn’t find an issue with it. But as I say, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

There is no validation. The moderators and administrators act as a unit and the final moderation activities in Ben J’s posts were the collective opinion of all.

So you are more than welcome to believe what you want and post your criticism here, but the above does not reflect the reality of how the moderators and administrators document they work as a team.

 

[svenmany]

So he didn’t insult other members other than referring to an unspecified group of people, which by the way could mean other sites online not just MR Forums, as ‘youngsters’. …what?

I wonder if you were following the thread and read the reported post when it was made. I was and it was clear to me that it was targeting the posters earlier in the thread. If the post really was just referring to people on other sites, then it was the responsibility of the poster to make that clear. The poster dropped a bomb rather than shot a gun. He's responsible for the population he hit.

I guess that's more evidence of just how incompatible people can be. It seems you don't think he insulted any individual and feel it's OK to insult a group of people. I think it's a much worse thing to do.

 

[MBAir2010]

honestly, these forums and website have dwindled down in enthusiasm and activity from us posters recently as nothing exciting from  has happened in quite a while. the big 'to-do" today was the hue or color of the sky blue MacBook Air that looks exactly like my mouse that Satechi made years ago.
To quote Villanueva at le Louve....."BORING!'

Just to reiterate not that this lull in interesting things with  is macRumForums' fault,
just perhaps we are getting stale here interacting with our computer tech lately.

 

[bousozoku]

So he didn’t insult other members other than referring to an unspecified group of people, which by the way could mean other sites online not just MR Forums, as ‘youngsters’. …what?

But it was interpreted by a moderator as being an insult to another member. This is like those GTA V roleplay servers where kids go around looking to be cops and feel some kind of gratification over others.

Sort of validates my same issues with the thing. I’m sure 90% of the moderation team is fine and probably read Ben J’s post along with posts I made that got warnings and suspension and didn’t find an issue with it. But as I say, one bad apple spoils the bunch.

They weren't insults?

They certainly looked insulting to me. You have a unique way of looking at things that doesn't seem to agree with the majority of people here.

 

[facedmurkroots]

You have a unique way of looking at things that doesn't seem to agree with the majority of people here.

Yeah, that phenomenon is called the rest of the world. 🤣 or ‘reality’ for short

 

[svenmany]

Yeah, that phenomenon is called the rest of the world. 🤣 or ‘reality’ for short

We're all pretty guilty of assuming most people are like ourselves. Who knows, maybe 50% of people would agree with you and 50% would agree with me. But, consider two moderated posts:

"It seems I'm getting responses from youngsters who throw up answers they found on google or didn't bother to try and understand the issue in the first place." and "The blind leading the blind here. Lots of that going around."

I believe that most understand those comments included an evaluation of posters (not just their posts). Those comments are suggesting that something needed to be improved and they offered nothing constructive to help. So, they were nonconstructive, negative assertions about other posters.Those are the things that I label as insults and I think the moderators do too.

Some, like you, think that nonconstructive, negative assertions about other people are just fine. Such people might have a harder time coexisting with others in a public forum, simply because other people react negatively to negative stuff. Such posts are often moderated because they stimulate conflict.

Suggesting that these assertions weren't targeted at some earlier posters in the thread is a fantasy. The words "I'm getting responses" in the first quote and "here" in the second make it plain that the target is the posters in the thread.