I'm Tired of Defending Android I Want To be a Apple Fan Boy!

[fertilized-egg]

For some odd reason before they learn anything about the phone, they assume they know it all and immediately root it or do some other needless modification. Then they wonder why it's not operating like their iPhone.

That's not at all like what I've experienced participating in Android communities. Most Android ROMs tend to be all about stripping away all the crap installed by manufacturers and speed up the OS as well as making it more stable. Most ROMs definitely do not aim to make the Android OS operate like iPhone, at all, with MIUI as one of few notable exceptions.

It's quit interesting really. After all, if Android was as bad as the whiners claim, they'd never have the large base of happy users they have, even if all models were free.

For the OEMs the main alternatives were either Windows Mobile or Symbian. Compared to them Android is an amazing product. Windows Phone 7 has yet to get traction and Symbian is still Symbian. Android is the closest thing to iOS available to the manufacturers and is pretty good compared to the alternatives. However I personally don't know if it's really that great.

But then again I'm one who enjoys learning and progressing.

If I was younger I'd definitely enjoy Android more. But whenever I'm installing a new ROM because my current ROM has a bug or some performance issue with specific apps, I cannot help cursing while trying to hold off my kid who's wondering why I am staring at the black screen on my phone with an angry face. Learning is nice and all, but where the heck am I going to use my familiarity with ClockworkMod Recovery?

 

[McGiord]

Generalization fail ftl.

So what if i "want" my phone to have a 4.3-4.5 inch screen with minimum bezel. Or if i want it to play nice with my media without conversions or software decoding, or if I want to easily load files without having to go through hoops aka itunes tether to the pc? (so much for the "post-pc" claim)

I think most people don't buy phones based on their needs. If i had a dime for all the people playing with androids and iphones and using them for just calling,texting and facebooking I would be a millionaire by now. You spend $500-800 for something a basic and old phone can handle easily.

I do have an iPhone 4 and a samsung captivate. The iPhone is ready to be sold and captivate stays till the 4.5in galaxy s2 comes on my carrier. Why? It meets my needs. The iPhone doesn't. And neither will iOS5 meaning neither will iPhone 5.

As for defending android OP, i find it sort of sad you feel the need to defend a string of 1s and 0s. What are you defending it for? It is a product. Just use it or throw it away/sell/whatever-you-want-to-do if you don't like it.

I have VLC and I can play so far any video I needed to in my iPhone 4, even downloaded ones.
For flash videos I use Skyfire.
I prefer the screen resolution/pixel size of the iPhone 4 vs some fractions of inches in size. I just hope they don't reduce the resolution/pixel size if they increase the screen a little bit.
Too big screen will make it uncomfortable to hold and carry.

How good is the battery of your Galaxy S2?
What is the point of having the capability of seeing all the media you want for just a couple of hours?

 

[Savor]

I don't care which platform people root for.

But I must say I am curious what Samsung will do with Tizen (aka MeeGo) and if they really go away from Android and build their own homegrown OS with Intel that can succeed where Bada failed.

I think Samsung is a very dangerous opponent for Apple.

 

[sentinelsx]

I have VLC and I can play so far any video I needed to in my iPhone 4, even downloaded ones.
For flash videos I use Skyfire.
I prefer the screen resolution/pixel size of the iPhone 4 vs some fractions of inches in size. I just hope they don't reduce the resolution/pixel size if they increase the screen a little bit.
Too big screen will make it uncomfortable to hold and carry.

How good is the battery of your Galaxy S2?
What is the point of having the capability of seeing all the media you want for just a couple of hours?

I have VLC too and it fails to run many of my avi and wmv videos especially home movies. While the captivate runs them without an issue.

I also have AVplayer, Goodplayer , Oplayer and it is annoying to use so many when built in hardware decoding can easily take care of it, so meh.

As for screen, that is your preference. I would like the high pixel count (which is coming soon, so that is covered) but i appreciate the vibrant AMOLED and "i" need a bigger screen. Side by side the captivate is half a inch wider and half a inch taller. The GS2 i checked at carrier shop is same dimensions thanks to samsung reducing the bezel. Last I checked my friend's bold is about the size of the captivate and lots of people have those, meaning size isn't an issue.

As for battery, I don't have the gs2. But it is going to be better than the captivate for sure. As for captivate, i have widgets and active use of the phone and it lasts the entire day. Sure I end up charging it every night, but I don't see issues with that.

What's the point of having a media player on the phone if media shouldn't be played? Maybe you find it not useful, but i do. I commute a lot and I need to kill time. That is usually done by either watching a movie/show or reading a book. Both benefit extremely with larger screens. And i don't have to spend hours converting my huge media library which i did with the iPhone 4. In fact the iPhone 4 has no contacts and media/photos on it thanks to the iTunes need. I have used it a lot, sorry I cannot get used to it. It is not for me. So ill pass.

Funny how my needs propel me to my decision, not blind brand loyalty which gets me nothing really.

 

[Applejuiced]

I left and haven't come back ... I have an EVO, but I'm having a SGSII delivered on Friday.

You will change your mind October 4th

 

[iBreatheApple]

ahahhaha

welcome to the dark side

Nah, I'd consider us the light.

You will change your mind October 4th

Exactly what I was going to say!

 

[aohus]

apple is playing catchup from android os features like

a) fully integrated voice action system

b) native navigation and maps application

c) widgets, scrollable widgets

d) flash support

e) fully integrated notification system

 

[McGiord]

sentinelsx:
The only thing that I wish was different, is to be able to move media to the iPhone without the iTunes Library where you synced to, specially when on the road.
This might change once iOS 5 is out there, and iTunes Match or iCloud do something about it. But I don't think it will be as simple as been able to connect your iPhone to any computer and a simple drag and drop.
This can be done to take pictures and videos recorded out of it, but not to other media.

Amazon Kindle App, works like a charm.

A side note: it is very interesting the Amazon Silk, and how it can make Google, Apple and Microsoft provide or offer something maybe better?

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apple is playing catchup from android os features like

d) flash support

Where you got that? I haven't seen any rumors about Flash support in iOS?
Maybe I am missing something here.

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Nah, I'd consider us the light.




Exactly what I was going to say!

Brighter you mean...

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Not agreeing with the argument by many that Android is too much freedom for some or there's to many choices, etc etc ...

If Android had as few of settings and/or customability as iOS, it would still be confusing for some non tech heads.

I believe the iPhone could have as many options as Android but without all the clutter and maze like settings. Most people I know who are clueless about anything tech are still able to deal with all the customability and freedom that comes with jailbreak.

The whole some people are too dumb to deal with Android statements is just a lame excuse for a poorly coded OS.

 

[aohus]

Where you got that? I haven't seen any rumors about Flash support in iOS?

thats what im saying. flash support isn't coming to iOS.

 

[Agent-P]

Personally I try to experience all the different mobile OS types that way I'm not tied down to one. That's kind of the reason I bought an HTC HD2 back in '09. I first got to play around with WinMo 6.5 (better with Sense, but not great). Then I installed Froyo and Gingerbread on it (many different roms of each). Now I am currently using Windows Phone Mango on it. Although I still keep a spare sd card with Gingerbread in case I want to try out something different one day. I also have an iPhone 3GS which still works great and I used to have a Blackberry Bold 9700 (that one died in a water accident and I haven't replaced it). Pretty much the only OS I haven't owned is WebOS (although I played around with it quite a bit), Meego, and Symbian. Of the ones I've used, I've found they all have their strengths and weaknesses. None of them are perfect. However I will say that WebOS would be my favourite if it was ever given the proper hardware to run it. But of the rest, my favourite two have to be IOS and Windows Phone Mango. These two show the best stability and smoothness of all the mobile OS's I've tried. It is largely due to the fact that each respective company has put controls on the hardware to ensure that the OS runs flawlessly.

 

[appleofmy"i"]

I agree with you, Android has SOOO MUCH potential but its the simple things they are messing up. Im using Android (with a Miui overlay) now and love/hate it. It is fun having all the customizability but when its still glitchy and apps are fragmented it just destroys it. There are many things that Android has that I wish IOS had (indepth voice actions, navigation, true widgets) but IOS just shows the true passion put into it.

 

[CosmoPilot]

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I've always said I'm not a big fan of "tweaking" my phones. This is my #1 favorite feature of iOS. It is so simplistic, yet smooth and powerful while providing excellent battery life.

Welcome back!

 

[verwon]

Sprint + iPhone = this woman tossing her Evo ASAP!!!

 

[Matthew9559]

I find myself much more attracted to smart phones than desktops and laptops these days. There is so much going on in the mobile world!

I loved messing with Android for 4 months on an HTC Inspire 4G but for many reasons I came back to the iPhone 4.

I will do the same with a Windows Phone 7 here sometime soon. Why? Because it is different.

I have invested alot of $$$ into the iOS store though and love the tight integration with my MBP/ATV so will most likely stay my main device for the forseeable future. Things can always change though.

 

[eaglesteve]

McGiord,

Actually I made this complain re difficuty customizing my Andoird phone many times already, for more than a year now, and wanted any Android expert to help me achieve the said customization. Nobody could help so far.

Regards dodgy application and malware, that's the price of freedom I guess. I see that as heaven for hackers and programmers but not for end users.

I guess an jailbroken iPhone could potentially be compromised in a similar way. Fortunately so far this has not happened, probably because we actually pay for many of the Cydia applications so the developers want to maintain their reputation. In contrast, Andoird applications are often stolen, cloned, with no reward for the developer, so some resort to dodgy ways of getting their due rewards.

 

[Juan007]

Don't need to be a fan boy, just a fan. Life is too short to fight holy wars over phones. Just use what you like and get on with life.

 

[sentinelsx]

sentinelsx:
The only thing that I wish was different, is to be able to move media to the iPhone without the iTunes Library where you synced to, specially when on the road.
This might change once iOS 5 is out there, and iTunes Match or iCloud do something about it. But I don't think it will be as simple as been able to connect your iPhone to any computer and a simple drag and drop.
This can be done to take pictures and videos recorded out of it, but not to other media.

Amazon Kindle App, works like a charm.

A side note: it is very interesting the Amazon Silk, and how it can make Google, Apple and Microsoft provide or offer something maybe better?





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Where you got that? I haven't seen any rumors about Flash support in iOS?
Maybe I am missing something here.

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Brighter you mean...

Apple will never let go of their iron grip on media loading. cloud will make it better but not as free as choosing what to load and from where compared to being limited. Also cloud puts another restriction i.e. having active connection, which might not be as big of a deal as having just 5gb space for free users.

Anyway, I feel more comfortable with fluid and flexible OSes for personal use and that obviously makes me go for android , meego or symbian (perhaps QNX if RIM doesn't sink). Perhaps it is because i don't mind spending an extra minute to figure it out, but once i do figure it out i find i spend less time getting things done with a symbian device than an iPhone. I had an E71 before iPhone 3gs long ago and i cannot fathom the amount of hoops I had to go through to get stuff done on the iPhone that I could easily do on the nokia.

Closed-source OSes are great for app development but then if i personally needed an app i probably would have developed it for myself and loaded it on the phone. If i needed to develop it for iOS i do not need an iPhone because all my family already carries them and testing an app is no issue.

In the end some people love apps, some just love a brand etc. I am mostly indifferent to all this so it doesn't matter. As for spending time updating ROMs, i spent loads of it playing around with apps only the discover in the end I blew money and time on 90% of them only to be deleted save for a select few that I need for every day use. That alone makes it easy for me to go wherever i feel comfortable.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Just to have an idea of the cost of ownership of the Androids:
How much out of the pocket cost for each?

Well you can not exactly condisder anyone who jumps phones ever 6 months a way to look at cost of owner ship. Most people will own the phones for the 18-20 months before it is time to upgrade their phone on contract.

I'm still waiting for Google to put the "settings" in alphabetical order. Has anybody exactly figured out how Android 'Contacts" works? It's impossible to make a QUICK call.

What do you mean? There are ways to set it up and there are 3rd party contact programs to use. I set mine up only to view a certain group which for me is my google contacts and in those I could reduce it down to a certain list.

You can also set up speed dial numbers.

I too came back but for different reasons. My unhappiness with my Samsung Galaxy S were:

A. Security concern. I had my phone content taken by a backup program in a fraudulent way. Then I had a VOIP program that took my user ID and password but does not have calling functions in it. Later, when I tried using third party keyboards, I was presented with warning messages that this application could send what I was typing, including password back to the vendor.

B. Inconsistent user interface in area such as copy and paste. Although by upgrading to the more recent firmware address some of it, the third party applications continued to be stuck with different methods of performing such operation.

C. Hated KIES, which is a poor effort to emulate iTunes, which I love.

D. Hardware issues and poor vendor support. GPS was faulty, and the vendor refused to take it back or to exchange it even though I reported the problem just one week after purchase. Could have taken legal actions but couldn't be bothered with the hassles, so I paid the penalty to exit the contract instead.

E. Poorer quality and choice of applications compared to iOS.

F. Difficulties in customization.
I wanted to skip/repeat/start/pause media applications last played with hardware key alone, whether I'm using an application, or on home screen, or on lock screen, or when the phone is sleeping. This is a customisation that I'm very used to with iPhone. It simply can't be achieve on Android platform. Another gripe I had was, many customisations in Android are achieved via flashing ROM, which unfortunately flush out the features I wanted to keep in the replaced ROM. I wish all customisations are done via installing third party applications, like in iOS.

G. Multilanguage support.
SGS use different ROM for different region, making it impossible to mix any language the user want on the same ROM. The best it could do is to use third party keyboards. In contrast, IOS allows users to switch from any languages to any other languages easily (not just for input, but also the UI).

A and B tells me that you clearly were trying to pirate apps and downloading from places you do not trust. Also tells me that you are not using your brain.
They did not come from the market. Do not use the iOS app store argument because you were outside the market place not using your brain.

Also never had a issue with copy paste.

issue D. Sorry that is carry issues. Not hardware issues.

E. I think this has been covered before but not really true.

F. I see fud there and you are in the world of custom roms and from your isues with A and B tells me that clearly you do not have the required common since to do any that.

G. From what I can tell they tend to drop the Asian language support due to the fact that those tend to add a lot of extra crap to the rom that is not needed for most people. Also you were in custom Rom world and as pointed out before not fair to compare it to the stock roms.


All in all your post is mostly FUD. Point A and B kind of prove that you are full of it.

 

[lilo777]

So I've been on here in the past defending Google/Android but I just can't defend them anymore. Know matter how much hardware they put in there Android still can get buggy at times. Just recently I had 75% battery life a hour later with no use it was down to 10%. Some app went nuts and drained my battery.

I've had the iphone 3gs in the past and although boring it was stable and very smooth. Also with Android you start getting OCD with the nine million different things you can do with it. I need simplicity I don't need to be looking at my phone every ten minutes to check the battery.

So I guess for me Apple wins and I look forward to any new release in Oct.

If you defended Android as well as you just praised iOS I think Android fans will be happy that you have left them

 

[eaglesteve]

Rodimus Prime,

I only use the official market place. I pirated exactly zero application.

Re my points on customizing on media playing, I now officially challenge you to perform that customization on your Android phone - any Android phone.

The language issue is on stock rom, not custom ROM. I visited a Telco shop and examined the SGS 2 a while ago and wanted to turn on Chinese UI. This isn't supported.

 

[StoneSoup]

the title couldn't be any more funnier. it's like saying, "i'm tired of defending the clippers. i want to be a laker fan boy." clipper fans would go nuts. haha.

but honestly, apple ftw. apple has a certain enchantment to the brand. androids are just products. And Apple users are more likely to just celebrate their product while Android users are more likely to defend and attack Apple products.

 

[ChazUK]

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Rodimus Prime,

I only use the official market place. I pirated exactly zero application.

Re my points on customizing on media playing, I now officially challenge you to perform that customization on your Android phone - any Android phone.

The language issue is on stock rom, not custom ROM. I visited a Telco shop and examined the SGS 2 a while ago and wanted to turn on Chinese UI. This isn't supported.

Which applications were they that stole your data?

I'd like to avoid them if possible, especially if they are on Android Market.

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

Welcome back, we have been awaiting your return

 

[boss.king]

the title couldn't be any more funnier. it's like saying, "i'm tired of defending the clippers. i want to be a laker fan boy." clipper fans would go nuts. haha.

but honestly, apple ftw. apple has a certain enchantment to the brand. androids are just products. And Apple users are more likely to just celebrate their product while Android users are more likely to defend and attack Apple products.

That's a load of crap. Both sides are equally bad with this. If anything I'd say WP7 fans are the most reasonable, but that's probably just because it's not as popular yet.