imac or pc? why the price difference?

Discussion in 'iMac' started by andrewline6, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. andrewline6 macrumors member

    Jun 28, 2008
    well 2 other people in my family hav the new 20" aluminium imac. i thought they were pretty cool and since i hav a dodgy laptop i'll get a 2.8 ghz 24" mac, probably wth 4gb ram so its fast. ive done research on the mac screens and saw that the 24 inch has 16 million colours and is hd quality but the 20 inch doesnt.

    my friend is about to buy a pc with 22 or 23" screen 4 gb ram and 500gb hard drive for bout $1500.00

    is there a reason why imacs are so expensive? what do imacs hav for the $800 more that pc's dont???

  2. Eidorian macrumors Penryn


    Mar 23, 2005
  3. Chandler Adaway macrumors 6502a

    Chandler Adaway

    Jun 29, 2008
    Beaumont, TX

    For one, let me just point out the obvious.
    It's a Mac.
    The OS is better. The computer will last longer, etc.

    But, have you seen Hp's all in ones?
    They are VERY expensive, and still not as good as the iMac.

    The iMac is hard to compare to a regular pc, because it's not built like a regular computer.

    It basically is just a big monitor with a built in computer. Ha.

    With the PC, you have the tower and all of the extra wires.

    To me, it seems worth the extra money.
    But that's just my opinion.
  4. gehrbox macrumors 65816


    Jul 5, 2007
    The first thing that sets Mac's apart is OS X. Style is the next thing that comes to mind. From my own experience the level of service provided by Apple far exceeds Dell or HP in quality. Resale value is another ingredient in the soup.

    Some folks have no problem buying a pair of Jeans at Walmart. Others would not get caught dead in the place. They would prefer to shop at a far more expensive store in the Mall. Why? Is the fit of the jeans superior? Do they last longer? Are they cut in a unique way that makes them look better? Why do they cost several times over what the Walmart jeans cost? Do they feel catered to in the Mall?

    The same goes for a lot of things that are looked upon as premium selections. You pay for the real or perceived superiority of products.

    As far as I am concerned Apple earns their money and produces a better product at a reasonable price.
  5. iSpoody 1243 macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2008
    Heres a list!

    1) Better build quality
    2) All in one design
    3) Made out of much better material
    4) Mac os x
    5) Lasts longer
    6) Screen is no doubt higher resolution and better quality (than a 22" screen at least)
    7) Glass protection on the lcd screen (also has glossy effect)
    8) Only requires one power cable to work (if you gat wireless internet, keyboard and mouse)
    9) Takes up less space (yep no giant tower next to it)
    10) Its a MAC, BITCH!!!!!(self explanatory)
  6. nick9191 macrumors 68040

    Feb 17, 2008
    The iMac is cheap compared to the other all in ones. Plus you get OS X. Plus your friend wont have a Full HD screen. Plus its the sweetest freaking design in the world.
  7. Sun Baked macrumors G5

    Sun Baked

    May 19, 2002
    The iMac is laptop-based, that alone ratchets the price up.

    There are no desktop-based Macs, they are all laptop-based chipsets or using workstation/server chipset like the Xserve/Mac Pro.

    There is something to be said for Apple using a single chipset for soo many machines, but it makes it harder to compete with PC desktops.
  8. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    1) really??? numerous hardware issues come to mind
    2) i hate all in ones
    3) really??? what makes it better?
    4) Best reason
    5) really??? i still have old pcs working. my emac is dying on me with its display after 4.5 years
    6) ok but i hate all in ones. both my emac and g3 imac have display issues
    7) that is nice
    8) also nice
    9) i hate all in ones
    10) only reason i like macs are for osx. Period. In fact, typing from my hackintosh at the moment lol
  9. Super Intendo macrumors regular

    May 26, 2008
    is that pc 3.06 GHz?

    is it brilliantly designed?

    can it run os x properly and legally?

  10. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    its a 2.91 core2quad

    components are top of the line and the case is very elegant

    it runs osx without a hitch and legally its blurry

    fact is, apple wont make a desktop for those that dont want an all in one that doesnt 1) cost a small fortune with more features than i need and 2) have a cheap option with a dedicated graphics card
  11. iSpoody 1243 macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2008
    yada yada !!!

    1)you talk as if pcs have near to none hardware issues
    2)good for you, so do i
    3)well aluminum is better than plastic with a pit of steel holding the motherboard on
    5)guess it depends, all of my past pcs motherboards have crapped themselves between 2.5 to 3 years, for monitors well i have a 11 year old crt working perfectly, ugly as hell tho
    6)well one mans trash is an others treasure
    7)never seen this on a stand alone lcd monitor
    9)well a mac mini is not an all in one and requires almost no space.
    10)and what other reason would there be to like a mac, awesome design, pfft without os x macs are not macs
  12. dukebound85 macrumors P6


    Jul 17, 2005
    5045 feet above sea level
    1) the poster i first quoted said macs had better build quality. i dont agree. i think apple is right around industry average iirc

    however, my point was is that macs arent inherently better imo in factors such as design or quality. i value macs for os x

    i mean even my mb suffered from rsds (random shutdown syndrom) back in the day. aggravating as hell

    but do i like macs? yes, i own them but also realize the benefits on products not apple related
  13. iSpoody 1243 macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2008
    ha ha its good to have a mac fight lol
    i think mac build quality is quite good
    while mac have their problems, i have seen more system shutdowns from a alienware.
  14. Nordichund macrumors 6502

    Aug 21, 2007
    Oslo, Norway
    LOL, Not sure whether the glossy screen is a good selling point. There have also been quite a few screen issues for many Al iMac users as well.

    But anyway why a Mac over a PC? For me the answer is simple. The vast majority of Mac users actually seem to enjoy working on their machines. If the Mac is working as it should then they are a real pleasure to use. I just love working on my Apple machine, far more than I ever did when I owned a PC.
  15. Aegelward macrumors 6502a

    Jul 31, 2005
    To be honest, this sounds more like a troll...

    But i think its best never to compare an imac directly with normal desktops. rather compare it with other all in one PCs, and when you do it comes out rather favorably in terms of specs and price
  16. ditzy macrumors 68000


    Sep 28, 2007

    Ok I get that you hate all in ones that's your opinion and I genuinely think that you are entitled to it.
    However I hate caviar I mean really really hate it horrible tasting stuff. However my opinion on it doesn't change the value of it, and doesn't make it overpriced just because I would never buy it.
  17. iSpoody 1243 macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2008
    boo yea

    lol or even better compare it with the dell all in one
    even tho it has the same price it comes with a
    1)crappy old cpu which is slower than the cpu in the slowest imac you can get lololol
    2)20" screen, seriously 20" is the best they can deliver
    3)same graphics as in the bottom of the line imac
    4) vista, seriously this is like the biggest flaw

    good things in the dell xps one

    1)blu ray player, which sucks cause the screen is 20" and only displays 1650x1050 which is not high def.

    is it worth it
    HELL NO!!!!!!!!
    isnt it good to finally do a fair comparison to the imac :):):)
  18. andrewline6 thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 28, 2008
    thanks for your input everyone. i appreciate it. it gave me something to think about. dont know anything about motherboards and that stuff tho. that was confusing. but i'll probs get the mac mainly for the screen. anyone know how exactly how the wireless mouse and keyboard work? do you hav to sync them everytime you turn on the computer? do they hav batteries or wat? im new to this sorry. probably sounds stupid.
    also funny to read about the mac fight.
  19. iSpoody 1243 macrumors 6502

    Jun 29, 2008
    dont worry
    i was a noob once lol jokes i was never a noob
    the keyboard and mouse has batteries and they both last about 6 to 9 months, so you get lots of use out before you have to replace the batteries
    the imac automatically searches for the keyboard and mouse every-time you turn it on.
    so you just have a 3 sec wait for the mac and mouse to pair.
    but the wireless keyboard and mouse are so worth it
    easier to use plus it looooooks so much better not having any cables on your table between you keyboard/mouse to your mac
  20. andrewline6 thread starter macrumors member

    Jun 28, 2008
    thanks mate.
  21. Ivan P macrumors 68030

    Ivan P

    Jan 17, 2008
    They'll have batteries. There's a bluetooth transmitter/receiver built into the iMac (just been using it to put music on my phone myself :p), so you only have to pair the keyboard and mouse with the computer once, you won't have to do it every time you turn it on.

    EDIT: Haha, nevermind, it's already been answered, I should read a lot more carefully :p
  22. kabunaru Guest

    Jan 28, 2008
    1. Agreed
    2. Most people will like it
    3. Aluminium does look more professional than plastic but plastic is more durable than aluminium. I am comparing the aluminium iMacs to plastic iMacs here.
    4. Agreed
    5. Depends on how the user treats his/her computer.
    6. Agreed
    7. Nice
    8. Very nice
    9. Agreed and very nice
    10. It's not just a Mac, it's a multi-platform computer. You can run all the operating systems on it. ;)
  23. 3lutz3toe macrumors member

    Feb 19, 2008
    While I love the Macs and don't have a huge problem w/ paying for what really works.
    But I wouldn't go so far by comparing to buying jeans!

    You would cringe if you knew how much those so called designers jeans are marked up! Yes, of course they are much better than ones from Walmart.

    Retailing clothing markup is way alot more than computers markup!
  24. gnasher729 macrumors P6


    Nov 25, 2005
    I think that is not the right comparison. There is a lot of money paid by people for brand names only and for having the right labels, and a lot of it is wasted. In the case of an iMac, although you spend more compared to a cheap PC (but the iMac is still cheaper than comparable all-in-one PCs from Dell or Gateway), you end up saving money in the long run.

    It starts with saving money for utility software like virus scanner, disk defragmenter and so on. Then the iMac comes with the iLife software, which unlike most PC software actually lets you use your computer. Anyone who is into programming gets the complete XCode development system; the same software that is used by Apple itself to create MacOS X. You can even write software for the iPhone.

    You will safe time and money by having a lot less software problems. Millions of PCs slow down to a crawl because they are infected by malware. When that happens, people buy a new computer or spend good money on removing the malware. Doesn't happen with a Macintosh. In every single test, Macs come always out on top in build quality and customer satisfaction (doesn't keep the moaners of MacRumors though :D ) Macs last longer than any PC (I once was told that you must be "filthy rich or crazy" if you think of replacing a Mac as early as after three years), and they have real resale value. Many people regularly sell their Macs after two or three years and spend effectively a lot less than people buying PCs.
  25. gehrbox macrumors 65816


    Jul 5, 2007
    My point was that people will pay for style over utility. Jeans will last a very long time no matter what brand. It's all about style.

    AVG Anti virus (and others) is free and constantly updated for the latest bugs. All versions of Windows come with a disk defragmenter. I might use it once in 6 months to a year. There are a number of free spyware utlities that can do that job and most browsers come with popup blockers.

    iLife consists of a web site app (iWeb), a DVD creating utility (iDVD), a photo management app (iPhoto), a movie editor (iMovie) and a music creating program (GarageBand).

    iWeb - On a PC if you want to design web pages you have to buy a web page design app. On a Mac you get a free tool. The problem is that iWeb sucks air as a web code generator. The pages it produces are the largest and slowest I have encountered. I know this because I used the tool until recently when I paid $79 to get something for my Mac that does a decent job creating efficient code.

    iDVD - Windows comes with a DVD creation utility that is just as good as iDVD in my opinion.

    iPhoto - Wins no prizes for speed, ease of use or resources used. For Windows you can use photo gallery or the excellent free app Picasa.

    iMovie - Windows comes with Movie maker. Does the same job and just as well.

    Garageband - Ya got me there, but since most people are not musicians the utility of that app to the majority of people is questionable at best.

    I used my Sony Vaio laptop for 4 years without reinstalling windows, having a virus, malware or any slow down in performance. It was kept in the trunk of my car year round and was used for at least 3 hours a day every day except for weekends. It went from freezing cold to scorching hot in the trunk. It never gave me a problem except for the 3.5" floppy drive failed (imagine that after being in a trunk all the time when not in use!). I gave that laptop to my son for use in college and he uses it all the time without issues. I now use a Dell laptop for my job. I got the Dell because my company gave it to me and its HDD is twice the size of the Sony. Been using it for over a year without any issues.

    I have a 80386/16Mhz laptop in my closet that I bought many many years ago (think it was 1990 or 91) that came with Windows 3.0 installed. It still works and sits next to my Mac se/30 and collection of old Apple laptops. I threw away a couple of Dells from the mid 90's because I needed the space, not because they did not work.

    As far as resale goes, you are correct Mac's resell for high prices. Something to consider is that the number of used Mac's on the market for sale has some bearing on the prices. The market is flooded with inexpensive new PC's, so it drives the resale price lower.

    And before ya'll pummel me as a PC wanker type of guy, I am a devout Mac user and owner. I proudly display the white Apple sticker on my rear window above my center brake light. I'm just pointing out errors as I see them :)

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