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iMac Pro Available With 8 or 10 Cores This Week, 14 and 18 Core Models Ship Early Next Year
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Dude - a RAM upgrade is the simplest most effective way of getting more life/value out of a machine and it takes literally 30 seconds.
Your idea of a professional who is so needlessly wasteful of their own profits that they can't spend the time it takes to throw some new RAM modules in a machine is absolutely ridiculous.
With this attitude: the real professionals don't do AIOs, they use workstations.
That's not the point of the iMac or the iMac Pro. It's a desktop to fill a particular need (user and prosumer/pro).
If you want one, get the spec that you can afford.
Just leaving this here....
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/13/hp-unveils-its-insanely-upgradeable-z-class-workstations/
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/13/hp-unveils-its-insanely-upgradeable-z-class-workstations/
The RAM is socketed so yes, it is upgradeable but it will require the removal of the LCD and the logic board to access it.
I agree individual users probably will not be comfortable in doing so and will therefore pay a mint for the RAM they think they will eventually needs rather than getting just what they currently need. But for sites with on-site technical support staff or folks with Enterprise AppleCare agreements, they will be able to upgrade as-needed.
Drivers for GPUs on Windows are WAY more optimized than they are for OS X. You get much better performance in most applications on Windows than on Mac.
Come on man, don't post lies.
I have no idea who is using those HP Z workstations though - not professionals obviously because professionals don't need to upgrade their workstations - they just throw them out the window the second they get tired of them, and immediately just drop another 5 grand on a whole new machine.
It is interesting that they put in Bluetooth 4.2, while the new iphones have Bluetooth 5.0. Given that the unit is not upgradable, it will be stuck without the new long-range Bluetooth chips!!
It sounds like your top priority is to be able to fiddle with your machines. You need a workstation you can fiddle around with, not an Apple-built AIO. I think all of your posts can be summed up with "This iMac Pro is not for me".
The reality is Apple is putting it's customers in a position where they are forced to waste a tonne of money, either by;
1. Paying for premium priced options they don't presently need,
2. Forcing them to pay for, what remains a purely hypothetical after-sales upgrade service,
3. (Worst of all) Forcing them to buy a whole new machine because they can't upgrade any internals.
There is no other way that this can be framed or soft-peddled.
I love how installing a couple of RAM modules is now the domain of the 'tinkerer' or as you put it 'fiddle around.'
And then you add in a monitor. How much is a good 5k monitor over there?
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Just leaving this here....
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/13/hp-unveils-its-insanely-upgradeable-z-class-workstations/
Yes, traditional desktops are more upgradable than an All in One. In other news, the sun is bright.
I dont know a single developer who can go without a computer for the week Apple will take to fix it. C'mon.
I've not looked, but I don't need to to know that it's not worth throwing away the ability to upgrade the ****ing RAM or anything else.
Apple has got you all like abused spouses coming back to them because they offer you one thing in return for all the crap they take away.
'...but! but! but! but there's a free 5k monitor!' Yeah nice, hope that makes up for the fact you're gonna need to pay out a fortune for RAM you don't need yet.
YEAH WE GET IT. YOU GET THE MONITOR FREE. BIG WHOOP.
Where I work, no one is going to open their machines and put RAM in it, even if they have HP Zs, since it can whack the warranty. It simply isn't going to happen. So we max out, within reason, and move on, and really, once I've maxed out RAM, for example, I shouldn't need to upgrade again. Personally, I'd rather have a modular system myself in this case, but don't begrudge people wanting to get one - these are powerful machines that may not work for you, but I know people already who are gearing up for them and who will put their machines to good use.
I get that the iMac Pro isn’t for you. Some people prefer an all in one package and working on a Mac. Also, you never buy an AiO for upgrading.
If you need xCode, the ability to replace the RAM on a Windows machine is worthless. If you work using Final Cut because it’s faster, that Windowa machine is worthless to you.
Here's a cost comparison between the base model iMac Pro and a regular iMac specced as close as possible. The notable upgrades that extra $1,500 buys you are 4 extra cores and 3 extra mics, presumably to enable "Hey Siri" voice activation. The other differences are minor.
$5,000 base model iMac Pro:
8-core processor
32GB 2666MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro Vega 56 with 8GB VRAM
4 Thunderbolt 3 ports
1080p FaceTime HD camera
4 microphones
10Gb ethernet
$3,499 iMac 5K:
4-core processor
32GB 2400MHz DDR4 RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB VRAM
2 Thunderbolt 3 ports
720p FaceTime HD camera
1 microphone
1Gb ethernet
$5,000 base model iMac Pro:
8-core processor
32GB 2666MHz DDR4 ECC RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro Vega 56 with 8GB VRAM
4 Thunderbolt 3 ports
1080p FaceTime HD camera
4 microphones
10Gb ethernet
$3,499 iMac 5K:
4-core processor
32GB 2400MHz DDR4 RAM
1TB SSD
Radeon Pro 580 with 8GB VRAM
2 Thunderbolt 3 ports
720p FaceTime HD camera
1 microphone
1Gb ethernet
Stopped reading right there. HP expressly states that changing the RAM and other user-replaceable parts does not void the warranty.
Just had a look at it, a 10 core silver Xeon + 32G RAM + 1TB SSD + 8GB Nvidia P4000 + a crappy ethernet card is $5224. The base iMac Pro with 10 core Xeon-W and Vega 56 (both faster components) for $5000 is an insanely great deal in comparison, especially since you also get a 5K monitor that would cost few grands with it "for free".
Don't get me wrong, the Z6 is a great workstation, and its certainly well priced, but I wouldn't take it as an example of a better machine for less money. The purpose of those machines is also a bit different. The Z6 is a true workstation, featuring scalable multi-CPU designs and configurational flexibility. The iMac Pro is more focusing more on the"direct" horsepower with single-CPU Xeon-W (thats faster than its Xeon-SP counterparts) and faster GPUs. In this particular performance segment its probably the cheapest workstation available.
Sorry, for my "pro" uses, whatever that is, I need something that is upgradeable -RAM, DRIVES, GRAPHICS CARD. I prefer my LG monitor to be separate from the computer in case I damage the LEDs somehow. $5000 for a machine you cannot upgrade to amortize over 5 years or more, is pretty silly. Better to get a client server system with dumb terminals having 34 inch screens.