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And so Intel should be embarrassed, I guess, though I expect they knew any high-performance workstation would also have a high-performance GPU in it that could support hardware acceleration.

I guess the “embarassment” here, if any, is that Apple’s encoder doesn’t get use AMD’s acceleration.
 
I finally filmed my Sgi Octane introduction, with a quote snippet form Steve Jobs, and man do I miss state of the art workstations. Nowadays everything just uses commodity Intel and AMD graphics, nothing as "state of the art" and "years ahead of the competition" like the 50k $US Sgi machines anymore:
 
I just don't trust Xeons for video encoding. My company made the mistake of buying me a Mac Pro to do 10hour video exports, and it was a total mistake. They turned around and got me a second 4K iMac, which blazes past that. Xeon's are great processors, but they don't have built-in H.264 hardware codecs like i7s and i5s. For a 10hour encode it was like 25hours+ on the Mac Pro, and like 4hours on the iMac. I'm sure the new ones are faster, but not THAT much faster.

Because Xeon used by Mac Pro actually is large socket Xeon (HEDT Platform) which LGA 2011 which is suffer from missing hardware encoding due doesn't have iGPU. Same with large socket i7. Same with current iMac Pro which is using large socket (LGA 2066), but probably not an issue in iMac Pro since they use "modified" 2066-based Xeon with iGPU, I assumed that's built for that reason.

Standard iMac use small socket (1151) which usually have built-in iGPU, and small socket Xeon (E3-12XX) is also have built-in iGPU like their i5-i7 counterpart, so this is architecture limitation.

So you can still trust Xeon for encoding, depending type Xeon you used, but yeah no Mac with 1151-based Xeon present today.
 
I finally filmed my Sgi Octane introduction, with a quote snippet form Steve Jobs, and man do I miss state of the art workstations. Nowadays everything just uses commodity Intel and AMD graphics, nothing as "state of the art" and "years ahead of the competition" like the 50k $US Sgi machines anymore:

Nice! Hah, yeah I remember those days. Anyway as a snub to Apple I decided to re-do my Hackintosh after a week of Windows10 (it was ok, but not stellar, except games, which I had always been doing). nVidia Tesla based GPUs look pretty interesting for massive compute jobs.
 
...but goes up to $13,199 ..

"So honey, we have a chance to buy a new small car for our daily tasks in the city, or we can buy an overpriced garbage that has apple logo on it and it'll be outdated in about a year?"

I'm not sure what's worse, this trite, immature & completely nonsensical comment, or the fact that so many other people seemingly agree with it.

I still don't understand what people don't understand about professional/workstation computers.
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A maxed out standard 27" 5k iMac is likely be more than adequate for even the most demanding of tasks.

The iMac Pro on the other hand should it prove successful is a death dealer to future development of the Mac Pro.

The Mac Pro that's already in development?
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As someone that works in an industry that does use heavy duty workstations like this.. its not a bad price.. and a comparable dell or hp is roughly the same price.. and for all the "i can build a faster computer for 1/2 the price" no you cant.. when you spec it out PART for PART.. its within 300.00 of the price of the comparable imac, dell or hp. Even if you could *save a ton of money*.. (which you cant) No business is going to buy 10.. 20.. 50+ custom PC's. for heavy computational work.. They need the support from major manufacturer and they need consistancy of product..

This isnt a consumer PC.. it wasnt designed for consumers.. it wasnt meant for photoshop or lightroom.. From the few people out there that have them.. it has cut some computational duties from 12+ hours to 1-2 hours.. over a period of months that easily justifies the cost.

Now look here, we won't have any of this factual, sensible commenting on here, you understand?
 
I'm not sure what's worse, this trite, immature & completely nonsensical comment, or the fact that so many other people seemingly agree with it.

I still don't understand what people don't understand about professional/workstation computers.
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The Mac Pro that's already in development?
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Now look here, we won't have any of this factual, sensible commenting on here, you understand?

Yeah I priced out the hardware myself and the iMac Pro is priced accordingly, but the problem I have with it is why can't I buy it without the monitor? I already have a decent monitor. That is where Apple gets the fail.
 
... The iMac Pro is different, it's the first time Apple is using the Pro moniker properly.
Sorry but you are 7 years late. The January 2011 Macbook Pro was a _pro_ device in every regard, despite being portable: i7, SSD, Thunderbolt, 17" matte display, independent GPU and Geekbench score exceeding 10k. Quite strong for 2011. I still manage a heavy graphics workflow driving an external display with that box.
 
I honestly don't get people like him. I mean, he is a tech reviewer, so I assume technology is what he's interested in. Yet, he doesn't know anything about technology. I really wonder what his motivations are and what audience he's trying to target with these kind of reviews.
I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice this. MacRumors is such a valuable, respected site, I think they’d be better served by a higher-caliber reviewer.

At this point, until they change reviewers, I simply will not click on MacRumors videos anymore. Which is a shame.
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That's exactly what he did, nothing wrong with that. It's just another point of interest. I do this all the time when I buy a new system, I benchmark it against my existing systems just for curiosities sake. However I don't publish them to YouTube (but, where applicable, I have provided them in forum discussions).
I think many of us do what you describe. But when it comes to journalism, there is an implied expectation that the comparisons will be of a certain news value, with carefully chosen comparisons designed to provide clear insights. Comparing the lowest level new iMac Pro with a high level previous iMac and an old MacBook Pro isn’t interesting because the results aren’t hard to predict.
 
I'm not sure what's worse, this trite, immature & completely nonsensical comment, or the fact that so many other people seemingly agree with it.

I still don't understand what people don't understand about professional/workstation computers.
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The Mac Pro that's already in development?
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Now look here, we won't have any of this factual, sensible commenting on here, you understand?

It’s a thing i’ve seen in forums now and then. It shows a lack of understanding in how capital expenses and depreciation work. $13k is nothing. The cheapest hardware i’ve dealt with in the last 15 years was over $250k. Hell, the software licensing alone that I configure for my customers dwarfs that easily.
 
It’s a thing i’ve seen in forums now and then. It shows a lack of understanding in how capital expenses and depreciation work. $13k is nothing. The cheapest hardware i’ve dealt with in the last 15 years was over $250k. Hell, the software licensing alone that I configure for my customers dwarfs that easily.
Or just how much professionals that would like this machine actually earn to be honest. Mine has already paid for itself. I understand the bitching from people who would like one but can't afford it but it's becoming quite tiresome. Quite simply if you don't get why the iMac Pro is a great machine, you don't need it. And if you're a professional that can't justify $/£5k on the main tool of your job, spread say over four years, maybe you should reconsider your line of work?
 
I understand the bitching from people who would like one but can't afford it but it's becoming quite tiresome

Utterly missing the point. Fact is the iMac Pro is complete overkill and just another way Apple can extract money from the consumer.
For such work the Mac Pro is the obvious choice.

Furthermore a maxed out 27" 5k iMac seriously kicks arse for a fraction of the cost of the iMac Pro.

Apple are concentrating on the wrong end of the market. What is desperately needed is a serious update to the Mac mini which hasn't received an acceptable update since 2012.

And for god sake Apple don't discontinue the MacBook Air just release an updated version with Retina display but for god's sake none of the USB-C and Touch bar herpes.
 
Furthermore a maxed out 27" 5k iMac seriously kicks arse for a fraction of the cost of the iMac Pro.

A maxed out 27-inch 5k iMac is $5,428, and in multi-core performance will be roughly half as fast as the entry-level iMac Pro at $4,999.

Apple are concentrating on the wrong end of the market.

…people willing to give them money?

What is desperately needed is a serious update to the Mac mini which hasn't received an acceptable update since 2012.

I would love to see a Mac mini update, but low-cost products are never, ever, ever going to be an Apple focus.
 
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Yeah I priced out the hardware myself and the iMac Pro is priced accordingly, but the problem I have with it is why can't I buy it without the monitor? I already have a decent monitor. That is where Apple gets the fail.

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